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Puppy Girl Training? - 5/11/2005 5:04:52 PM   
BeautifulDoll


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My Master wants to train me to be a puppy girl, but I am having issues with it. Such as not wanting to do it because I am not a dog, I am human. Is this normal? If so are there other people on here that have been trained in this way that can offer advice to help be okay with it so that I can make my Master happy. I mean he does not want me to be like that all the time, just for play every once and while. I am very embarassed and having a difficult accepting what he would like for me to do for him. Help me please.
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RE: Puppy Girl Training? - 5/11/2005 6:18:55 PM   
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I've thought about this a lot, because dog training is my number one favorite BDSM activity. I don't like to view it as role play where the slave pretends to be a dog. I prefer to keep Master/slave activities fully integrated with reality. Dog play to me is a power exercise, not a role playing exercise. The fact that I am the Master and he is my slave means that I can make him do whatever I want. I can treat him like a dog if I want to, and doing so is a way for me to express my power.

What do I like about exercising my power in this manner? First of all it is an expression of ownership, just like putting a collar on a slave. As it happens, I file the act of collaring under dog training. I don't want to get sidetracked talking about what collaring means to me, but I always put a collar on the slaves I play with. It doesn't necessarily represent any long-term commitment in my view. Simply put, at that point in time I am treating the slave as if I own him. I see putting a collar on a slave as an expression of the fact that I own him just like a dog. Putting him on a leash and commanding him to sit, heel, fetch, beg, etc. like a dog is merely an extension of that.

Moreover, I think of dog training as a type of humiliation play. Many people consider it very embarrassing to be treated like a dog. It would ordinarily be degrading to be walked on a leash and made to eat on the floor, and things like that. It is not because the treatment of real dogs is degrading. It is instead because humans have the mental and physical capacity to do things differently. Dogs are superior to humans in certain ways, such as speed and sense of smell. Humans, however, are generally more intelligent, and most of us can use a toilet and eat at a table. To treat a slave as if he lacks that intelligence and dexterity and is actually down on a dog's level in those areas is to humiliate him.

In summation, I want to stress that dog training to me is not about turning my slave into a dog. It is only about treating him like a dog. He never ceases to be human in my eyes, and I would not want him to. If I thought of him as a real dog, then the game would not be fun because such treatment is not humiliating to a real dog. I know that other people see things differently. This is just how I think about it.

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RE: Puppy Girl Training? - 5/11/2005 7:16:58 PM   
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If this type of activity feels like a hard limit for you, you should talk about it with him. If there's a desire from your part to please him, and you can see that it'll make him happy and there's no risk in doing it...give it a try.

All the things that are embarassing for you are more likely to be exactely what makes you feel more submissive. As ManOwner pointed out, it's just a humiliation play. It's pretty embarassing to me when my Dominant calls me whore or slut in public...I tend to get shy and paranoid...even when in Latin America not everybody undestands these words, but it certainly makes me blush and feel like a silly little girl (wich I hate).

Give it a try. In this kind of relationship, you'll see that sometimes that thing you hate the most can be a great turn on for you.

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RE: Puppy Girl Training? - 5/11/2005 8:25:26 PM   
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Hmm... this has never really been a problem for me. I really hate talking, especially in a sub situation, so I make noises instead and they end up being animal noises a lot.

I guess you can think of it as "acting cute" instead of as an actu of humiliation. That's what it is for me, really.

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RE: Puppy Girl Training? - 5/11/2005 8:30:01 PM   
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That is very good advice Lepidoptera. When I am feeling sleepy and cuddly he refers to me as his little kitty. I don't find it humiliating at all, it's just another state of being (I guess)

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RE: Puppy Girl Training? - 5/11/2005 8:38:40 PM   
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To me it is more of a humilation and embarassing thing. It is not that it is a hard limit or that I will not do it. It is that I am easily embarassed and this really takes that over the top for me. I think it will be a good thing far as showing my submission to my Master as well as for myself.

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RE: Puppy Girl Training? - 5/11/2005 8:44:46 PM   
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...Yeah!...to act like his kitten it's pretty natural for me too. But as I can see it, BeautifullDoll seems to be unconfortable about it. To feel like a beloved and cute pet and feel embarassment it's completely different.

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RE: Puppy Girl Training? - 5/11/2005 8:46:33 PM   
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Yes, I guess I don't really understand.
BeautifulDoll, I hope that some of the advice that was given helps you and that it works out well.

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RE: Puppy Girl Training? - 5/11/2005 9:15:49 PM   
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Did you ever think he might be doing it in part BECAUSE its difficult and embarassing for you to handle?

You don't have to like everything you submit to, you just have to submit to it.

If that can help you get through it at first, then that's all you need. VERY often what a dom likes will over time become what a sub wants as well as she will internalize it, bring some of her own character into it.

I enjoy puppy play a lot now, but I really hated it at first, specially the doggy commands.

But think how cute you will look catching popcorn in your mouth!

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RE: Puppy Girl Training? - 5/11/2005 9:19:44 PM   
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You can always start off slower- on a leash, then on a leash on all fours, and so on.

I firmly belive that most 'animal' tails should be made from the girls own hair :)

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RE: Puppy Girl Training? - 5/12/2005 1:12:40 AM   
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Yes I know that is why he is doing it because it is embarassing me and because it is a control aspect also. I like the idea of it but at the same time it bothers me. I am sure in time that will change. I think for it to work and not be so bothersome to me, is if it went slowly.
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Did you ever think he might be doing it in part BECAUSE its difficult and embarassing for you to handle?

You don't have to like everything you submit to, you just have to submit to it.

If that can help you get through it at first, then that's all you need. VERY often what a dom likes will over time become what a sub wants as well as she will internalize it, bring some of her own character into it.

I enjoy puppy play a lot now, but I really hated it at first, specially the doggy commands.

But think how cute you will look catching popcorn in your mouth!


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RE: Puppy Girl Training? - 5/12/2005 5:32:46 AM   
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I think you're starting to see the concept of how trust and establishing expectations is SO important before you get involved with someone.

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RE: Puppy Girl Training? - 5/12/2005 10:30:01 AM   
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I agree. I am. Trust and Honesty is very important. I know that it is just hard sometimes sharing my feelings and accepting that someone actually cares about me for once in my life. It is new and scary and I am afraid of it slipping away.

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RE: Puppy Girl Training? - 5/12/2005 11:42:04 AM   
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I am NOT saying that this you Doll, but...

A common story in Ds is you have an insecure, usually abused or self-abused woman who finds that Ds can allow her to be protected by a nurturing authority figure. Unfortunately because they are so insecure, they are ripe for the hands of ANY man who gives them the slightest amount of attention, just enough to get hooked into. Then, when they start to see it's not really that great, or that this guy isn't really healthy, their own insecurities keep them trapped in the situation as they fear to be alone and without anyone again.

Happens all the time.

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RE: Puppy Girl Training? - 5/12/2005 5:09:30 PM   
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I agree that is why you have to be very careful with the lifestyle. There has to be communication, trust, and honesty between the Dom and you. A person definitely has to be aware of what they are getting into, it is not something you can just jump into blindly.

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