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being a christian and still sub/slave - 7/6/2007 3:20:30 AM

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Not trying to be a bible thumper here nor push christianity on anyone. but after 6 yrs of being in the lifestyle i merely will only have a profile here to read the boards. i grew up in a very strict christian home where the men are the head of home and the females fully submit.. ( ref.. proverbs 31,titus and etc) thus when i found the lifestyle at 32 i felt compeled to follow it.. i felt i fit. for me yes i was wrong in liking just the kink at first ( wrong brain set, newbiw thinking i know) but i grew, i found a part of me deeper with in my soul that no church could ever get to.. i met people in the lifestyle that taught me the correct way... but after many of my own bad choices in homes ( poly and mono ones) i have now chosen to go and lean more vanilla again. my needs kept leaning tward christianity and most lifestyle folks rear their heads when i mention it was a need i cant fore go... so.. i now have placed a profile *JUST* to read the boards, and keep in touch with the many people i met along the way... but am returning to the life of vanilla( althought as very hard as it will be) for me.. the absolute need to remain a christian and with full kink hadnt found myself a partner who understood.. the following are bible passages for those of you whom here things from other christians and need the bible back up for showing who you are and why you feel for the lifestyle that you do... i am not whatso ever pushing it on anyone.. merely just so you dont get the absolute crap i did from family and friends that just didnt understand or get you...be well and and i look forward to reading all of your topics still and keeping mind set even from a distance..... Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with
sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
(Whole Chapter: Ephesians 6 In context: Ephesians 6:4-6)

Ephesians 6:6
Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but
like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.
(Whole Chapter: Ephesians 6 In context: Ephesians 6:5-7)

Ephesians 6:9
And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten
them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is
in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him. (Whole Chapter:
Ephesians 6 In context: Ephesians 6:8-10)

Colossians 3:22
Slaves obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only
when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity
of heart and reverence for the Lord.
(Whole Chapter: Colossians 3 In context: Colossians 3:21-23)

Colossians 4:1
Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because
you know that you also have a Master in heaven.
(Whole Chapter: Colossians 4 In context: Colossians 4:1-2)

Titus 2:9
Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to
please them, not to talk back to them,
(Whole Chapter: Titus 2 In context: Titus 2:8-10)

1 Peter 2:18
Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only
to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are
harsh.
(Whole Chapter: 1 Peter 2 In context: 1 Peter 2:17-19)

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RE: being a christian and still sub/slave - 7/6/2007 7:50:29 AM

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Why not join a Christian BDSM group? There are literally hundreds if not thousands out there.

"i met people in the lifestyle that taught me the correct way... but after many of my own bad choices in homes ( poly and mono ones) i have now chosen to go and lean more vanilla again."

That was your mistake. There is no one "true" way in this lifestyle. Nobody can teach you something that does not exist.

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RE: being a christian and still sub/slave - 7/6/2007 10:15:00 AM

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Off the top of my head, Master Shreve (you will find him most often on the Gor boards) is very into his Christian beliefs and has a lot of good resources on his personal site. You might want to check it out.

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RE: being a christian and still sub/slave - 7/6/2007 11:08:13 AM

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yes and in fact know him very well.. anyone know any good christian boards i might join?

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RE: being a christian and still sub/slave - 7/6/2007 11:30:24 AM

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Well ... if I were a good Christian and less of a student of all religions with particular interest in Buddhism ... I probably would. ~chuckle~

The only one I know of is this one though. http://community.kinkychristians.com/

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RE: being a christian and still sub/slave - 7/6/2007 2:22:20 PM

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Hopefully whatever you choose you will be happy, that you find someone who can fulfil your need and is compatible with your beliefs.............I do know this about myself....I can't go back to being vanilla

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RE: being a christian and still sub/slave - 7/6/2007 4:41:45 PM

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Isnt it the 23rd Psalm that has the line "His Rod and his Staff they comfort me?"

Personally, I agree with Douglas Adams analysis of Christianity's attitude towards Original Sin (for those playing the home game, this is apple, tree, snake, garden of Eden, etc)

"It is similar to the mentality of people who hide bricks under hats for people to kick. Individuals who do such things will eventually figure out a way to get you."

Good luck justbeingme2007, I hope you find what you are looking for.

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RE: being a christian and still sub/slave - 7/6/2007 4:48:43 PM

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I dont see a conflict with the Scriptures and "kink"....the Lord actually put VERY few rules on sex between a husband and wife...He even said the marital bed is undefiled. So i don't see a conflict and i am a Christian.

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RE: being a christian and still sub/slave - 7/6/2007 5:30:08 PM

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i too was raised in a very strict military and Catholic (before we converted to Baptist) household - so i understand, op, where you are coming from. however i'm a "born again" (baptized in the water) Christian and i don't have a conflict with my religious faith - i still accept communion every 1st Sunday ...in fact when i attend church, i'm wearing my collar and chains - just imagine the curious looks i get in an all-Black Baptist congregation. i don't try to hide the fact of who i am yet i keep my kink activities to myself.

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RE: being a christian and still sub/slave - 7/9/2007 12:10:09 AM

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It is my strong belief that most people do not understand the core of Christian morality. They think said core lies in sins of the flesh, but it does not. The core of Christian morality is in humility/pride issues. Any sort of spiritual elitism or superiority, any sort of feeling that you're in really good with The Big Guy whereas Joe Shmo over here is probably going to Hell, any sort of thoughts in the vein of "I've really racked up a favorable balance in God's ledger"...any of these is worse and more dangerous than fornication or even prostitution. Perhaps even worse than adultery. Remember: Pride is what got Lucifer (the Light-Bearer--think "luc" as in "lucidity" and "ifer" as in "conifer" or "Christopher") tossed out of Heaven. And I'm not talking about the simple pride of showing off to impress someone, or pleasure in the face of doing something well. Those are forms of pride, but at least the proud person is still concerned with other people. The truly proud person has the attitude of, "Well, I don't need any of you." Humility, on the other hand, is not afflicting yourself or denying yourself. Humility is self-forgetfulness. The interviewee on television who blithely picks his nose while on camera, for example, displays almost perfect humility.

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RE: being a christian and still sub/slave - 7/9/2007 12:16:49 AM

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Yes, "there but for the grace of God go I" (or "goes John Bradford," in the original). Nice irony that the guy who said that was later burned at the stake as a heretic. Not everyone is aware of that.

Today most people have perverted the concept of divine grace to mean that if you're fortunate in life, it must be a sign that God favors you. It's why Americans are so apt to judge a man by his income.

But I wouldn't go so far as to say that someone mindlessly picking his nose on camera is displaying perfect humility. Humility means knowingly setting yourself aside, not forgetting yourself.

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ORIGINAL: Eruditus

The core of Christian morality is in humility/pride issues. Any sort of spiritual elitism or superiority, any sort of feeling that you're in really good with The Big Guy whereas Joe Shmo over here is probably going to Hell, any sort of thoughts in the vein of "I've really racked up a favorable balance in God's ledger"...any of these is worse and more dangerous than fornication or even prostitution.

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The interviewee on television who blithely picks his nose while on camera, for example, displays almost perfect humility.

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RE: being a christian and still sub/slave - 7/9/2007 12:42:33 AM

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It's my friend from the other thread! I'm not so boorish that I can't agree with a man when he's right, as my deranged friend is in this case, in asserting that earthly fortune is no sign of God's favor. In fact, it might just signify the favor of God's polar opposite.

As for our hypothetical nose-picker...if he was doing it purposefully, to be mean or cute or spiteful...then no, this is not humility. But if he just had a valver that was bothering him and he reached up and hooked that rascal on out of there, without giving second thought to the act, and without breaking stride in his interview...then yes, I'm inclined to label that humility. Okay, maybe not perfect humility. But close.

Humility means knowingly setting yourself aside? Hm. I can agree with that, but I might add that it depends on the motive. I can knowingly set myself and my own interests to the side for the attainment of an ulterior motive, and this wouldn't be humility, whereas forgetting that yourself even exists, forgetting that others are watching you, being totally unaware and uncaring as to whether or how you're perceived by others...this to me seems the definition of humility. Of course, this is my opinion. Wait. Let me confer with God. Yeah, He agrees with me. Sorry elephant humper dude.

For those of you who detect flippancy in my tone toward my friend who posted above...you're on the outside of an inside jest. This gentleman and myself sparred lightly in another thread, and he's obviously following me around to make my life a living Hell (joke). At any rate, don't be alarmed. He's merely upset that I spanked him most soundly on that other thread, and he's now inclined to say tomahto when I say tomayto.

And he likes quoting my own words in his assaults! Yipes! That really sucks, having your own words lobbed right back at you like some sort of traitorous grenade. But what can I say? They were my words, after all. Still are, presumably. A formidable and worthy foe, this guy. And quite bright. The only question is--who gets to be Newman, and who Seinfeld?

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RE: being a christian and still sub/slave - 7/9/2007 2:06:32 AM

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Ummm...it's exactly the other way around. You even admitted that I was right on the other thread, and here I'm actually AGREEING with you.

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ORIGINAL: Eruditus

For those of you who detect flippancy in my tone toward my friend who posted above...you're on the outside of an inside jest. This gentleman and myself sparred lightly in another thread, and he's obviously following me around to make my life a living Hell (joke). At any rate, don't be alarmed. He's merely upset that I spanked him most soundly on that other thread, and he's now inclined to say tomahto when I say tomayto.

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RE: being a christian and still sub/slave - 7/9/2007 9:45:23 AM

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Dammit, man (hissing). Okay okay okay. When I wrote that I was still maybe feeling just a teensy bit boorish. What can I say? Testosterone is often a curse.

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