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RE: Aftercare - 8/26/2007 1:08:32 PM   
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I always see that many think that the aftercare is for the submissive....but I believe in power exchange BOTH the Dom and submissive need it and it is provided to each other.


Aftercare for me is the intimacy afterwards, in getting him something to drink, patting his face with a damp cloth, and massaging him.  I love doting on him and touching him, and doing this when I'm still reeling enhances the closeness to him that I feel.  When he is taken care of, then I can relax at his feet, content and peaceful.

ownedgirlie: I agree with you, aftercare is about intimacy.

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RE: Aftercare - 8/26/2007 2:24:46 PM   
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This is a good topic...and one that Master and i still have some fine tuning to do on. or at least thats my take on it at this point. i am curious, do you still need this aftercare stuff if you dont get that subspace thingy? just wondering....


If you tried to run a marathon but cramped up and had to drop out half way, you would still need to cool down, drink liquids, restore your electrolyte balance. For some of us subspace isn't the desired place to be.

I like it but he prefers me there with him so I rarely get to go there anymore. But I'm still shivering with cold, dehydrated and exhausted. 

Physical play can be physically exhausting, whether it's tennis or BDSM. When you add the emotional component to it, then it's only more exhausting.

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RE: Aftercare - 8/26/2007 2:30:29 PM   
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It depends on what would be needing aftercare (spankings, floggings, whippings, etc). For me though after a hard spanking my Dom will rub ice on my tenderness and we'll cuddle until i've calmed down.

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RE: Aftercare - 8/26/2007 2:47:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkDaddyZ

I always see that many think that the aftercare is for the submissive....but I believe in power exchange BOTH the Dom and submissive need it and it is provided to each other.


I am with you on this one DarkDaddy :), I too find cooldown/aftercare rewarding, for reflection, aswell as ensuring the wellbeing of My subs after scene/session.

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RE: Aftercare - 8/26/2007 3:48:56 PM   
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After-care is very important.  Especially if the scene is intense and the sub's physical and emotional senses are sky-rocket high. 

With Sir, when he knows I've had enough (and he's wonderful about sensing the right time) He holds me gently and closely while I am able to calm down a bit, for as long as I need.  He whispers calm, reasuring and sweet things to me, to let me know he's there for me to hold on to. 

You can't take someone to the very tip of the mountain... you have to be able to bring them down as well - safely. 

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RE: Aftercare - 8/26/2007 4:14:50 PM   
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If you choose to play with subs and accept the responsibility for providing a certain type of aftercare (and it is the subs/bottoms responsibility to tell you what their general needs will be), then one suggestion is to have a co-top to deal with that part until you can raise your skills to the level you feel comfortable with.

Some tops just don't do aftercare at all- they might lose out on a few play opportunities, but the ones they have are completely accepting of the situation.

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RE: Aftercare - 8/26/2007 4:24:30 PM   
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Me personally, not only aftercare, but make sure they are up for the scene to start with.

I have played before, and did not think to ask what the sub had eaten in the day (will not make that mistake again) nothing, as he was nervous!

Something so simple to know can go unmissed, on several occasions I have had to tell subs what to eat! 

I also have food and drink at hand for aftercare.


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RE: Aftercare - 8/26/2007 10:02:50 PM   
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WE are cuddlers.  He is a major cuddler.  Maybe even more than I am.  We touch all the time.  We don't do "aftercare" per se but we do cuddle a great deal.  Together.  For both of us.  that's about the extent of it over here.  If, and this is a big if, I was playing with someone I did not know, who had specific "aftercare" needs, I'd expect that to be on the table really specifically in advance. 


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RE: Aftercare - 8/27/2007 12:52:19 AM   
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I agree that the most important thing is finding out what your subby needs ... different subs have different needs. Some love lots of touch and talk ... others like to be silent and spaced for a while ... some just drift off to sleep. Talk to them before you scene, see what they have found from previous experience if they have any.

General things to have very close at hand: blanket, bottle of water (preferably one with an easy-drinking nozzle) and some energy food (chocolate works! However if your sub is more of a savoury person, salted nuts work well too). I have these in the scene area, usually on a side table so I don't have to leave the person to get them. PS I am answering this from both My Domme side (and I have played with quite a lot of male subs plus some fem subs) as well as my sub side who has scened extensively with Master), plus what I have observed in other couples at play parties.

Remember that while you might be hot from all the exertion (spanking, flogging etc) the sub has typically been a lot more still ... and a lot less clothed ... so can easily get very chilled ... even in a hot place like Australia! If they say they are cold, believe them and wrap them up ... don't argue with them about it. (Master only did that with subby me once LOL! On a 35C day i broke into uncontrollable shivering and scared the crap out of Him). As soon as they can sip, give them some water, preferably NOT icy cold or out of the fridge. i'm often incapable of moving far when i'm in deep space, can't even work out how to get up and walk ... so Master has been known to hold the bottle for me and i suckle like a baby. And as soon as He judges i'm capable of controlling swallowing, He gets a little food into me. That, plus for me, lots of cuddles and caressing gradually gets me back to the point where i can sit up or stand up and move to a chair and then talk. He's a cuddly sort of Dom too, so that floats His boat as well. If He is wanting sex, He generally doesn't let me go so far into subspace as then i'm really not much use (be like trying to fuck a very floppy jellyfish LOL!), but if sex does occur ... the aftercare in the afterglow is pretty similar, except then W/we're BOTH cuddled under the blanky! (and sharing the choccy and the water too!).  

As a Domme, I prefer to give the cuddly kind of aftercare as I feel more complete and satisfied with the scene. If a sub is a drift off kind of person, I will sit close by with My hand on them to complete the connection. What feels REALLY bad is the subby male whose sub switch goes OFF as soon as the scene is over (especially if they've been allowed to cum). They don't want any further contact, physical or verbal, they just want to leave as fast as possible (often saying "Thanks that was a great scene" while they're high-tailing out the door ... that just doesn't gel for Me) and that makes Me feel really off. I try very hard not to play with subs who know that's their style as I get bad Domme drop then. There's no way I want to play if My aftercare needs aren't going to be met.  I like to follow up with My subs too, the day after, and also ask they write about the scene after a few days when they've had time to process it. Ones who don't follow through rarely get a repeat invite!

Hope this has helped. Brave of the OP to admit a problem with this area ... good one.
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RE: Aftercare - 8/27/2007 1:04:40 AM   
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Aftercare:
1.  Check her for a pulse.
2. Assess that she is still breathing.
3. Stop any prolific bleeding.
4. Smoke cigarette while waiting for her to regain consciousness.
5. Massage my shoulder with Absorbine Jr. as it might be a little sore tomorrow otherwise.

Yep, aftercare is very important, especially the Absorbine Jr. part

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RE: Aftercare - 8/27/2007 1:18:34 AM   
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Depending on the scene, my Sir will clean me up, then we cuddle and review the pictures and video He's taken during our play.  He loves watching my facial expressions while I look at them!  After that we have "nails" I run my nails softly all overy his body, giving him goose bumps, and making him moan with pleasure.  I was amazed the first time I gave him nails.... I was getting as much or more enjoyment from it!  mmmm I just love it!

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RE: Aftercare - 8/27/2007 3:45:46 AM   
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with out aftercare it is like sex with out love wham bam thank you subbie or dommie or dom lol or all the above or below or in between


True if the subbie involved wants/needs after care. For me personally i am one of those "don't touch me" types. Any sort of body contact just keeps me going. If you really want to let me come down, leave me alone where i crumpled, do not touch me, hell sometimes do not even talk to me.

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RE: Aftercare - 8/27/2007 6:51:25 AM   
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Hi,

For me the ammount of need will correspond with the depth of play, it can be hold me for a min then I will be ok or please do not leave me alone and tears. I can sleep, or shake, but I am always terribly thirsty and very emotional. I can also wander if left alone, it is almost like I am looking for what is not there ... Him.

He has been known to attach me to something with a wrist cuff if he has to leave ... do not think it had anything to do with him answering a call of nature and coming back to find I had woken up and wandered off into the bush at the side of the camp and gotten eaten to death my insects and scratched by bushes and was totally and blissfully unaware of any of  it lol ... we laughed later but I noticed he always made sure after that I could not wander lol.

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RE: Aftercare - 8/27/2007 8:41:14 AM   
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i agree that the amount of aftercare depends on how intense play was. at times just a general hug and water will work and other times i just want to sit at his feet with my arms around his legs with my blanket around me. it helps to come down to earth if my hair is being petted at the same time.
also agree to talk to your Dom about thier aftercare too. i comprimised with one as he liked to lay down and cuddle. so we did that while he petted my hair:)

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RE: Aftercare - 8/27/2007 9:46:44 AM   
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perhaps a sign attached to you somehow saying even though I am dressed and scene's over I'm not ready to be apprOACHED?
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ORIGINAL: julietsierra

We don't do a lot of aftercare, but what we do is real important to me.
When we're by ourselves, aftercare pretty much amounts to just resting together for a little bit - whether we cuddle or not.
When we're in public though, I can't manage a lot of voices (except his) being directed at me or about me that I'm expected to somehow answer. The last time we played in public, someone who knows me very well, came over to ask him if I was ok. I know that this person was maybe just concerned, but that one liner was so abrasive that I physically cringed. Talking to each other around me isn't the issue, it's the getting in the middle of what he and I are doing that drives me batty.

Most of the time, my Master sits or stands in such a way as to block out a lot of other people who may not understand this. I'm able to lean against him for a while, or rest, head on his knee while I kind of find the world again. Even after that, part of our aftercare is that he keeps others away from me while I'm cleaning up and packing up toys and getting dressed. That task is part of separating from the session for me. And even after THAT, I will sit quietly for a while, not wanting anyone to come talk to me or get in the middle of my head in any way, shape or form.

Unfortunately, being dressed and sitting off to the side is somehow an invitation to others that all is fine again and they can go on socializing. But it really doesn't work that way for me at all.

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RE: Aftercare - 8/27/2007 9:56:22 AM   
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Please be careful not to make general statements about every one who might not wantn eed or care to provide after care. There;s some players who after what ever is done to them is done don't want to be touched or talked to or anything. And that's ok for them, and nobodies hurt as long as both parties know this, and the dom don't expect to give after care and the bottom not want it, and bdsm is certaintly not romantic nor is after care to all people. We're so widely diversive, one couldn't possibly make general statments to fit all.
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ORIGINAL: bipolarber

Aftercare is something you do because you honestly care about your partner's well being. To not consider it to be a requirement to your scenes is the equivilent to the straight practice of "wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am" sex. Sure, you get your jollies... but it makes your partner feel like a peice of dirt. (and not in a good, erotically charged, BDSM way!) It's a way of keeping the romantic heat from an encounter smouldering, well after the peak has been reached, and you've both slid back down to the base on the other side.





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RE: Aftercare - 8/27/2007 9:57:32 AM   
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I agree that aftercare is different for everyone, regardless of gender, as we all have different needs.  Some subs might not even require or need it.  I do happen to be one that does need it, as I'm usually so emotional after a scene, that I'm in tears - even if I've just taken a beating and am in pain, I still end up crying because what was just done to be had been so wonderful.

It can vary though - and that usually depends on if I've been allowed to cum.  If not, then I can be a little restless and I might need to be calmed down some until the strong feelings of denial have subsided enough for me to be able to function normally.  I don't always cry after this.  But if I have been allowed to cum, then the emotions just flow out.  I can be sobbing and just need time to recover and come down from the high.

My ass could be red, my body could be aching, and my asshole sore and worn out..........but I can still be in tears from the feeling from the orgasm that I was allowed to have - usually as a reward for being good.  That overrides the pain for me.  The best recovery for me is to just usually be held or told I've been good until my emotions are back in check.

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RE: Aftercare - 8/27/2007 1:55:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OsirisIna

I for one am not very good at aftercare.  I am sure there are others out there who are like me in this matter.  So to remedy this why don't we start sharing ideas on this important subject.  Also is there any difference in aftercare between men and women?

I know I can use all the help I can get in this matter.



It is important to keep in mind why aftercare is so important.

With my wife, our activities could be so intense she was incapable of caring for herself. With her, aftercare was about bringing her back to a state of being fully functional again.

By this I do not mean that she was physically incapacitated. She would become withdrawn, focusing on the feelings and emotions our activities brought out in her.

While she would her way through this state, there were several things I could (and did ) do.

Wrapping her in a warm soft blanket was one. I'd usually grab it off our bed (a heated waterbed) and wrap her from head to toe, with just her face peeking through.

Then I would guide her to the bed, help her onto it, and then cover her with the rest of the blankets.

Then I'd climb in behind her, spooning her with one arm around (and under) her so that she could ease into me, my other hand under the covers, stroking her back and arm, moving strands of her hair out of her face.

I wouldn't say much till I got her in this position. I'd reassure her that the activity was done, and that I would care for her. I might give her instructions so I could get her into bed. Everything I said I would say with a soft, resonant, reassuring voice (she loved my voice).

I almost never commented on how she'd done. Not to avoid criticism or disappointment, but simply because she wasn't in a head-space to discuss it. She was still absorbing the experience.

Gradually, she would relax, and then sleep. If things needed to be done, I'd ease myself out of bed, cover her up to the neck, tucked in, and I'd take care of things. I'd let her sleep as long as she wished.

Eventually she'd wake up, feeling restored. She'd be very affectionate and quiet. I'd reassure her that she was awesome (as she almost always was). I'd offer to make her a cup of tea (where some couples share a coffee, we shared tea). Usually she'd come out wrapped in the blanket. We'd take the cups out to our deck and sit, listening to the wind in the trees, the birds, watch the clouds, the sun tinting them as it set. She'd rest herself in the crook of my arm, and I would kiss her lighlty.

Now as time went on, and she became more experienced and more familiar with our activities, she required less aftercare.

But I was always ready to provide it, and we still frequently went to bed afterwards, just to cuddle and fall asleep together.

Others may do it differently, but that was what aftercare looked like for us.

Thank you for this question. You've brought back many good memories of my time with her. While typing this I'm also watching "United 93", the bonus material where the families talk of their memories.

It was all good. Even the bad is now good.

If I had to describe aftercare in the fewest words possible, I'd say that aftercare is where a D/M shows his/her tenderness and love for his/her sub/slave. It's the opportunity to give your strength to him/her, when he/she needs it most.

You might also look up my "Outdoor Bondage" thread, where I speak of playing in a fog. At the end of that section, I talk of warming up the sub/slave after playing in fog. That's yet another example of aftercare.

I hope that helps.



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RE: Aftercare - 8/27/2007 2:07:38 PM   
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Let Me start by saying this is a fabulous thread.  Many thanks to the OP and for everyone who contributed.  There is just so much to be gained from this.
 
Phin pegged it way back.  It varies from person to person, activity to activity, and scene to scene.  I don't think gender has much weight in the discussion.  I've had boys who cried, and girls who didn't want to be touched.  I've never associated aftercare to gender.
 
Yet, even when I write that, I can't help but think of some wonderful singular moments in time.....
 
Kissing away her tears.
 
Curling him up in *his* special blanket and rocking him.
 
Cradling him in My lap, while I held a cup to his lips.
 
Petting his hair while he purred at My feet.
 
 
Lots of little moments in time during aftercare that were so special to Me.  I'm definitely in the camp of Dommes needing aftercare, too.  That can be anything from Me wanting to cuddle, to providing a drink, to kissing the forehead...... on and on.  It does a lot on My end for Me to avoid drop.  I see it very much as two sides of the same coin.
 
Always three basics to have on hand for after...... Water, a blanket, something sweet for energy.  Chocolate is usually a good choice, but I've had some that prefer fresh fruit.  Again, it's depending on the bottom.  Some will have a preference for a certain candy or treat.
 
A good idea to improve aftercare is to discuss it prior to a scene, much in the same way limits are discussed.  Make it part of the process.  That way, neither you, or the bottom, will be disappointed with the results.
 
 
 
 

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RE: Aftercare - 8/27/2007 4:05:27 PM   
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Personally I don't like to see a dom morph from a sadistic ogre to a doting teddybear before my eyes, nor am I able to go from fuck toy to sweetie pie like that. Usually what would happen that works well for me is he'd clean me up/release me/etc. if necessary (gently but kind of impersonally, and also checking on me I assume), then go into another room for at least a minute or two (bathroom to clean himself up, or somewhere else to put toys away, or just anywhere to leave me alone for a minute).  There would be water and a pillow and a sheet/blanket around for me, but if he is still around I don't feel like showing weakness and accepting those things (my submissiveness is still toughness, like "I can take anything, I'm not weak and needy").  After a couple minutes alone he'd come back in and see how I'm doing and make himself available to cuddle with, without forcing it.  Sometimes I need more time alone, or I'd accept and we would both be teddy bears.  But the point is I need some transition time, but do need the teddy bear time after that.  For me it is all very non-verbal, I don't like to talk or be talked to right after a scene.  That is just me, YMMV.


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