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RE: What other evidence has the CIA destroyed? - 12/8/2007 7:48:19 PM

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Integrity???

Earlier you claimed that you thought I was like a four-year-old.

Now you're offering me a plane ticket so that you can do what???

Explain to me what integrity means to you exactly...

This had ought to be entertaining.

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What way?

The way where you prove your absurd claims?

or

The way you retract your absurd claims?

or

The way you dissemble and prevaricate, weaseling around.

Like I've said. The challenge is there -- Take it, or not. Your choice shows clearly your honor and integrity, or lack thereof.

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RE: What other evidence has the CIA destroyed? - 12/8/2007 7:56:35 PM

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Explain to me what integrity means to you exactly...

Honor -- That's when you say, "Yeah, I said waterboarding's not torture, and I mean it. To prove it, with my consent and of my free will, I will be waterboarded"

Integrity -- That's when you say, "You're right, the claim that waterboarding is not torture is absurd. I apologize".

Do you have either in measurable quantities?

I *knew* I wouldn't be out the 500 bucks. And now everyone knows exactly what kind of person you are, and why I was never concerned about losing the bet.

Run along kid, I hear your mommy calling you...

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RE: What other evidence has the CIA destroyed? - 12/8/2007 8:23:54 PM

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That's your definition

Honor and integrity to you means making a bullshit bet and wasting everyones' time

Lying, and saying you think someone hasd the mentality of a child... and then lying again to offer that same person a b.s. ticket for a bs. bet

You have funny notions of honor and integrity farglebargle

You also have a funny notion of what it means to act like an adult

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RE: What other evidence has the CIA destroyed? - 12/8/2007 9:28:56 PM

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Honor is following your personal code. Integrity is following your personal code consistantly.

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RE: What other evidence has the CIA destroyed? - 12/8/2007 9:29:51 PM

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That's your definition

Honor and integrity to you means making a bullshit bet and wasting everyones' time

Bring it. I got 500 bucks. That's never been an issue.

I just *know* you don't have the balls to support your claim that waterboarding isn't torture by consenting to actually BE waterboarded.

Put up or Shut up, the expression is. You've done neither.

When the going gets tough, you whine.

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RE: What other evidence has the CIA destroyed? - 12/8/2007 10:58:32 PM

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Just for the record, we charged a Japanese officer (Yukio Asano) with war crimes following World War II. Specifically torturing captives. Our prosecution of him outlined his methods of torture and they included water boarding. He was sentenced to 15 years in prison for the war crimes that WE charged him with. We were able to make those charges hold up because (unlike "unrestricted submarine warfare") we did not employ these tactics. Had he been able to bring evidence that we had employed water boarding in our interrogation of prisoners, it is quite likely that he would have been found guilty but not sentenced just like the German submarine commander I mentioned previously.

American prisoners in the future will be subjected to secret detention for years on end, extraordinary rendition, and water boarding. I hope you support that as an appropriate manner for U.S. service men and women to be treated as George W. Bush has totally destroyed our ability to claim this is an inappropriate treatment of prisoners. After all, our foreign policy position is that there is nothing wrong with this treatment of prisoners.

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RE: What other evidence has the CIA destroyed? - 12/9/2007 6:04:51 AM

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No, again - you are wrong.

First of all, no country ever treats or has treated American POWs humanely in any way. Your assertion that we've lost anything that way isn't realistic. There was never anything to lose!

Second, John Kerry already gave our enemies that propaganda victory with his 1971 testimony before Congress:

http://www.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/JohnKerryTestimony.html

So again, there was nothing to lose.

The idea that Americans never did anything mean or ugly when it came to winning battles and wars prior to George Bush is also ridiculous, and so is the idea that we need to watch our families die rather than do what it takes to win. It's insane.

We've never extended Constitutional rights to our enemies - ever. We've always tried to intercept enemy communications, ever since the revolutionary war, and so on. Why the sudden outrage over such things now?

It's political, pure and simple. Hate Bush mania. "We should die rather than win - it's the American way..."

Bull shit.

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RE: What other evidence has the CIA destroyed? - 12/9/2007 6:53:07 AM

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You can think JC and LBJ as disgraces, but they had a hell of a lot more class and righteousness however badly misplaced than the coward, evader, awol, shitbreather bush, they actually served their country and did their duty before they sent their sons to war.

LBJ???

So fake medals, fake missions, and so forth, is the stuff of Twue Hewoes?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,4217043-103681,00.html

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RE: What other evidence has the CIA destroyed? - 12/9/2007 7:32:45 AM

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We've never extended Constitutional rights to our enemies - ever. We've always tried to intercept enemy communications, ever since the revolutionary war, and so on. Why the sudden outrage over such things now?

Not that I expect someone like you to understand it, but a Congressional Declaration of War changes the rules quite a bit.

Too bad Bush didn't have the balls to go to Congress asking for one.

So, are you able to prove your claim that Waterboarding isn't torture, by voluntarily and with fully informed consent sustaining yourself under the procedure for 10 minutes?

Or are you willing to retract your claim that Waterboarding isn't torture?

There aren't any other options.

Either accept the challenge, retract your claim that waterboarding isn't torture, or you're a honorless coward.

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RE: What other evidence has the CIA destroyed? - 12/9/2007 8:07:47 AM

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You want me to pretend along with you that your offer to fly me to New York is serious...

Please.

I can withstand more than you will ever know, but there is no point in mindlessly comparing virtual penis sizes over these forums, or otherwise pursuing your game of make believe.

Sometimes people just disagree, farglebargle. And this is just one of those times.

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We've never extended Constitutional rights to our enemies - ever. We've always tried to intercept enemy communications, ever since the revolutionary war, and so on. Why the sudden outrage over such things now?

Not that I expect someone like you to understand it, but a Congressional Declaration of War changes the rules quite a bit.

Too bad Bush didn't have the balls to go to Congress asking for one.

So, are you able to prove your claim that Waterboarding isn't torture, by voluntarily and with fully informed consent sustaining yourself under the procedure for 10 minutes?

Or are you willing to retract your claim that Waterboarding isn't torture?

There aren't any other options.

Either accept the challenge, retract your claim that waterboarding isn't torture, or you're a honorless coward.

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RE: What other evidence has the CIA destroyed? - 12/9/2007 8:49:13 AM

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You want me to pretend along with you that your offer to fly me to New York is serious...

Well, no. You need to sustain your claim by not cracking for 10 minutes, first. THEN I'll be glad to cover your expenses, as acknowledgment of your accomplishment.

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Sometimes people just disagree, farglebargle. And this is just one of those times.

This isn't about people of good conscience disagreeing. You lied. You made the absurd claim that waterboarding isn't torture.

You're full of shit. I call "Bullshit". Support your claim by acting with integrity, or honorably retract it.

Or dishonorably and without integrity continue to squirm and weasel, which admittedly is entertaining, albeit on the level of watching a preschooler try to lie with a straight face.. The EFFORT expended alone in sustaining the absurdity makes it worthy of interest.

Butwe all really KNOW that you *don't* believe what you said. You *do* believe, without consent, strapping someone down and drowning them, albeit non-fatally, torture. That's why you're so scared to take up the challenge.

Despite your claims of "manliness", you don't even have the balls to stand up for what you publicly say.

It's easy to be a coward when the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory, ( which is predicated on anonymity ) protects you. But the moment *YOU* actually need to step up and defend your absurd claims... Oh noes! Whine, Whine, Cry, Bitch, Prevaricate, Obstruct, Deny, and Project.

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RE: What other evidence has the CIA destroyed? - 12/9/2007 8:50:14 AM

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They're spies for gawds sake

They're supposed to do things in secret

This is a dangerous world, and we can't all be ninnys you know

We might as well lay our heads on chopping blocks as do things your way

Allow them to do "things in secret" and you better make sure you keep towing the line, otherwise you might just find your head on that chopping block.

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RE: What other evidence has the CIA destroyed? - 12/9/2007 8:57:05 AM

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Ok you two, please take your mutual admiration society to email or somewhere else please.

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RE: What other evidence has the CIA destroyed? - 12/9/2007 9:11:00 AM

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That's your definition

Honor and integrity to you means making a bullshit bet and wasting everyones' time

Bring it. I got 500 bucks. That's never been an issue.

I just *know* you don't have the balls to support your claim that waterboarding isn't torture by consenting to actually BE waterboarded.

Put up or Shut up, the expression is. You've done neither.

When the going gets tough, you whine.

Fargle, I was "waterboarded" as part of an initiation in the USCG.
It was no big deal!
If you can't take 10 minutes of "waterboarding" you're a pussey and don't belong in the military!
If that's all al qeada did to you then they're they're fuckin pusseys too!
Sheesh, doesn't anyone use battery wires to the testicles or bamboo shoots under the fingernails anymore?
How about "Tiger cages" or beatings with a bamboo stick?

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RE: What other evidence has the CIA destroyed? - 12/9/2007 9:46:54 AM

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Muttling, to be honest here Asano did far more than waterboard a non uniformed combatant. He was torturing civilians, with burning thier skin with cigarettes, kicking them and hitting them with clubs as well as a little waterboarding to warm them up.

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RE: What other evidence has the CIA destroyed? - 12/9/2007 9:53:16 AM

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Watch, this will evolve into a Leftist "PC" political phrase now.
"And in politics Hillary Clinton's campaign claims to have been "politically waterboarded" by Mitt Romney's people when they said....."

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