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cheekybottom -> Sweet Suffering (10/31/2005 4:53:55 AM)
Sadism seduces with promises of passion and excess of transcendence over the merely physical and rational and present. It guarantees perfection, as the serpent did to Eve, bringing shivers of fear, shivers of delight. Fear is often the first incentive to spiritual and or dutiful worship, it does not command but it does indeed entice. The essence of Sadism is cruelty of a sentient being, a being that can not only feel pain but enjoy pain. When I think of the impact of modern medicine and its dramatic reduction of pain and loss, the idea of Sadism becomes ever acute, suffering no longer seems to be a necessary part of life, but exceptional instead. As masochists we deserve to suffer. But why, if we don’t have to suffer, why are we suffering? Perhaps we are simply self-serving, but I yearn for it to go deeper than that. I think maybe it is because we require the challenge of suffering to grow more worthy and spiritually as we approach our ultimate goal of a more intimate relationship with our One. If we all still lived in compliant comforts, we could never really have the occasion to exercise our free will in significant ways (be pushed) and thus grow in honorable stature. I am made to endure, pain and pleasurable sufferings strengthens me. The unquestioning endurance, the test of faith a submissive/slave/masochist undergoes for their One through acts of suffering, we endure because we accept out of necessary need, and achieved a deeper appreciation of how His power dwarfs us, self-serving or not. We seem to want wickedness lurking in our cognitive shadows like a mythical vampire avoiding the light; content to glimpse it out of the corner of our eye, we seldom try to see its face, and even so we become hypnotized, our minds already touched with sweet torture, a sly, shadowy presence, something crouching out there just beyond the surface. ”The devils greatest trick was to convince us he didn’t exist. ~Charles Baudelaire~ The Sadist toils faithfully to assure us he does. Why? Because they know that our weaknesses attracts us, even in little doses. ”Iniquitous was the vice, and I loved it. I want to sink into my depravity and fully desire my obsession, not that for which I submitted to it, but finding favor in the simple act itself.” Vice itself has many useful sides, it brings about much that is striking and it stirs us to solicitous existence, not allowing us to drowse in security. ~d~

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Sweet Suffering (10/31/2005 5:06:16 AM)
While we have made truly miraculous strides in healthcare, the idea that we don't have to suffer anymore is hardly true- we still face stress of debt, pain of heartbreak, there are still no cures for cancers, no perfect non-permanent birth control. But you make a good point which I always find interesting- one must be at a fairly high level of living in order to have the leisure time and energy to play. Playing by delving into pain is a fascinating turn. However, as many say, to them pain is just intense sensation and can be transferred into pleasure.

IronBear -> RE: Sweet Suffering (10/31/2005 5:24:03 AM)
quote: When I think of the impact of modern medicine and its dramatic reduction of pain and loss, the idea of Sadism becomes ever acute, suffering no longer seems to be a necessary part of life, but exceptional instead. This may be true for those who can afford private health insurance. Our Governments, federal and State are paranoid about drug dependencyaddiction and will happily condem many who are in the low income bracket to spend their days in accute pain. The medical profession states that it is better to deal with addiction in many cases that have an increased suicide rate in Chronic pain suffers.

darkinshadows -> RE: Sweet Suffering (10/31/2005 5:27:21 AM)
We don't have to suffer (although I agree with Lucky - that suffering is an occurance that we have ultimately no total control over in the sense she has suggested) - but lets take suffering we can control in that case - and yes, we don't have to suffer but for alot of people, suffering brings feeling - sensation - and release. I am not just talking of the suffering of pain, but many other types of suffering are available for people to indulge and in and - they do. I disagree with the statement that sadism brings perfection. I think that is a needless romantic ideal that lies to those who would embrace it - but thats IMO. Nothing wrong with romance in itself, but I do have difficulty with such a general view. Perfection cannot exist. If it did, there would be no point to life or to you and me. In fact - if sadism brings perfection, then sadism would be redundant. Peace and Love

sunshine333 -> RE: Sweet Suffering (10/31/2005 6:05:26 AM)
i am only just beginning to understand the many faces of pain. pain has always been something i've avoided at all costs. pain, to me, has always meant punishment or sickness/injury. but you made such a good point, cheeky. " ......... and achieved a deeper appreciation of how His power dwarfs us, ....... " yes. we can submit because it is in our nature to do so. and we can get great joy in this. but there is something about being inflicted with pain ... made to endure ... that absolutely does "dwarf" us ... that brings us to our knees, so to speak. there is a release in that (concensual) choicelessness when expressed through the acceptance of pain that liberates me ... that makes me feel so utterly female ... helpless and small. i suppose this is the dance of Masters and slaves (as opposed to an abuser and abusee). the slave shows her eagerness to please ... her willingness and desire to be on her knees. and the Master shows his strength and conviction by keeping (forcing) her there. humbly, sunshine

MistressFire70 -> RE: Sweet Suffering (10/31/2005 7:01:45 AM)
I thought your post was wonderfully written, however, there's one point I'd argue. Why do we insist that SM is evil, dark and cruel? Has no one given pain in love? Has no one received pain in love? If we act and speak in love, love will lead. SM can lead to a spiritual awakening by grounding us in the "now", freeing us to fly and transcend into a higher consciousness. This is a practice that has long been undertaken by spiritual people. It has nothing to do with evil, darkness and certainly not cruelty. It has to do with the spiritual development of ourselves and people we love. Fire

ExistentialSteel -> RE: Sweet Suffering (10/31/2005 7:16:48 AM)
Very well said with exquisite metaphors. On another level, my view as a sadist is that I can please myself by whipping her. She does have the need to feel more worthy of my attention and that is always in the background and the essence of D/s, in my opinion. Sure the whipping, if done right, pleases her, too, and that is what makes it an art between Dom and sub. Sex without D/s is much like D/s without sex to me. Sure there can be superficial scenes with those only for the D/s (or sex), but the ultimate intense relationship combines every electron of each of us. D/s, sex, intelligence and art. I want to understand her motivation, her abilities and feel her struggles as I whip or whatever. I want to see tears as she tries to take more for me. If she spaces in whatever fashion and the tears stop as the whipping continues, both of our goals have been reached. To go back to the part of your post about medical advancements lessening pain, I would not want to whip an anesthetized sub who felt nothing. I want to feel her feeling that cane lashing into her skin.

cheekybottom -> RE: Sweet Suffering (10/31/2005 9:12:20 AM)
My thought when I wrote this had nothing to do with someone taking medication prior to a scene to lessen the intensity but rather for instance a woman suffering the pains of her menses, she doesn’t need to, she can take Advil, and then I considered Sadism and masochism, people who enjoy inflicting and receiving pain and I thought about why this is and what it all meant to me. Yes there are natural and health suffrage (which do not have a place here in this discussion, just as there is pleasure in suffering, and that is what I am about, the pleasure in suffering, why one accepts it and another doesn’t. ~d~

KittenWithaTwist -> RE: Sweet Suffering (10/31/2005 9:55:16 AM)
I would hardly consider my masochistic and sadistic play as "suffering" or making others "suffer". When I enjoy pain, when I ask for it from my partner, I am begging to be fulfilled. I consider suffering as pain that is not pleasurable, on any level. As LA mentioned, suffering, to me, might involve having a dehabilitating disease like cancer or HIV, or watching my family and loved ones fall down around me. Suffering might involve being poor, unable to enjoy life, bogged down by debt and despair. But being beaten with a cane, or wrapped in a choke hold..that, to me, is about as far from suffering as I can be.

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