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Thadius -> Connecting the dots. Obama. (9/3/2008 12:31:46 PM)

Let's start with the last cycle...
http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2006/11/obama_endorses_.html

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An old saying goes, "The sooner I fall behind in my work, the longer I have to catch up."

Now, starry-eyed believers in the transformative nature of Illinois' junior senator have their own variation: "The sooner I grow disillusioned with Barack Obama, the longer I have to forgive him."

So, let's get started, shall we? 

The story goes on to talk about such things as Obama backing the son of his banker for State Treasurer because:

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There were warning signs: Obama's first dubious endorsement of a lightweight came during the primary season when he cut TV ads plumping for Alexi Giannoulias, then 29, the vice president of his family's bank who decided he'd like to be state treasurer. The endorsement was widely seen as key to Giannoulias' primary victory.

Obama was upfront about why he got involved: Members of the Giannoulias family were early and strong backers of his U.S. Senate campaign and "I think it's important to reciprocate," he told a reporter.


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The stench of same-old-same-old from John Stroger's years of cronyism and bloat hung over the process, and Obama had every excuse to distance himself from it.

Instead came this letter--a body blow to Claypool Democrats and the idealists whose fantasy about Obama is that he will transcend the grubby machinations and tawdry favor-swapping of party politics--followed by word from Obama's office that he will appear on stage at a pro-Stroger rally Monday night.


Favors, I am sure he will collect on this year.

Now, lets move to the who's who of financing, and insiders of the Chicago political machine.

Everybody has heard of Rezko, at least briefly.  Lets look at some of the details.

Tony and Barrack met before Obama got his job in Chicago, they met while he was still a student at Harvard in '90, Tony offered him a job, but Barrack turned it down, at least that is how the story goes.  Obama finally graduated, moved to Chicago and went to work for a law firm that handled Rezko's  properties.  His boss at the time was Allison Davis (remember that name for later).  They dealt with converting abandoned nursing homes into low cost housing, and renovating other building for the same use.  Do a search for Rezmar and WPIC for more detailed info (you didn't think I was going to do all of the leg work for you, did you?).

Life was good, and the young Obama decided to run for State Senate, one that had a whole bunch of Rezko's properties in it.  Tony was taking out loans and grants, based on the good intentions of providing low income housing, yet many of those buildings didn't receive any fixing and mortgages were ignored.  Tony continued to donate to and back Obama, and Barrack reciprocated.

During this time frame (that prior to running for US Senate), Obama was appointed to a few boards, The Woods Foundation, and The Chicago Annenburg Challenge.  (this is the first official meetings of he and Bill Ayers, although they did run in many of the same circles, I will leave it at this).

Remember that name I told ya to remember, well this is where it comes up again. http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdogs/672314,CST-NWS-watchdog29.article

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Seven years ago, Sen. Barack Obama was on the board of a Chicago charity when his former boss, Allison S. Davis, came looking for money.
At the time, Davis was a developer represented by the law firm where Obama worked, as well as a small contributor to Obama's political campaign funds. He wanted the charity to help fund his plans to build housing for low-income Chicagoans.

Obama agreed. He voted with other directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago to invest $1 million with Neighborhood Rejuvenation Partners L.P., a $17 million partnership that Davis still operates.
It's not clear whether Obama told other board members of his ties to Davis, whose family would go on to donate more than $25,000 to Obama's political campaigns, including his bid to be president of the United States.
"Let me get back to you on that," Obama presidential campaign spokesman Bill Burton said when asked about that two weeks ago. He never did.


Anyways, there is a bunch more in the bouncing around and political favors, kickbacks, and the circle continues to go on.  Even with the recent, announcement of Biden, one is left wondering if it was made to payback a favor.   What you didn't know there was a connection there?  Let me finish off this part of the post with that connection then...
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/rezko/1124666,CST-NWS-rezko25.article 

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Biden has deep ties to Rezko accomplice
JOSEPH CARI | 30-year friend of VP pick guilty in kickback scheme

When the Delaware senator began contemplating his own 2008 presidential run, he initially was helped by Chicago lawyer Joseph Cari Jr., who also served as Biden's Midwest field director in his failed 1988 bid for president.
In 2005, Cari admitted to taking part in an $850,000 kickback scheme that prosecutors say was part of a larger political fund-raising operation for Gov. Blagojevich overseen by Rezko, who was convicted in June of wide-ranging corruption involving state deals.
On the day Cari's name first surfaced in the federal probe of the state Teachers Retirement System, the former finance chairman for the Democratic National Committee and for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee was to have hosted a Biden fund-raiser in Chicago. Cari was a no-show at that July 25, 2005, event.
Offering Cari a vote of confidence at the time, Biden said, "All I know is Joe Cari is a friend, and he's an honorable guy, but I don't know anything beyond that."


That should suffice for a primer.  When I get time I will connect a few more.




Vendaval -> RE: Connecting the dots. Obama. (9/3/2008 12:55:38 PM)

Very interesting, Thadius.  I look forward to your continued sharing of information on these matters.




servantforuse -> RE: Connecting the dots. Obama. (9/3/2008 1:03:42 PM)

I'm pretty sure that all of the libs on this site will find some way to blame Bush for the crooked politics in Chicago. It's kind of funny how certain scandals and crimes go unreported by the mainstream media...




Thadius -> RE: Connecting the dots. Obama. (9/3/2008 2:05:55 PM)

Hiya V,

I will continue it some more later tonight or tomorrow.  Remember the question you asked about how something would play out in Illinois politics, well here is a bit of insight from a forme Hillary campaign employee.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sunil-garg/obamas-audacity-gap_b_84358.html

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As a Presidential candidate, Barack Obama offers a compelling vision of change, promising to "take back our government" and to lead "in the fight for open and honest government". Recently, he boldly stated, "Part of my job in this race is to restore people's sense that you say what you mean and you mean what you say."
When I first heard this "audacious" rhetoric for change during Obama's Senatorial run in 2004, it deeply resonated with me (and not just because I'm another skinny kid with a funny name). After all, if ever there were a State in need of change, it would be Illinois. Currently, our three largest governments -- the State, the City of Chicago and Cook County -- are under federal investigation and among recent highlights are former Governor George Ryan going to prison, one of Mayor Richard Daley's top advisors' conviction for fraud (along with a host of others), and the indictments of current Governor Rod Blagojevich's top fundraisers, Tony Rezko and Chris Kelly. Yet, rather than translating his bold rhetoric of reform into action here within his home and challenging this corrosive culture, Obama has repeatedly acted in ways that reinforce it.



It goes on to talk about his involvement at each level, and then closes with this.
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For those of us with the "audacity" to hope for change and reform in Illinois, Obama has been a disappointment. Obama's actions in Illinois, as opposed to his rhetoric, have repeatedly put personal political expediency and partisan politics before change, principle and reform, and audacity seems only appropriate when there is no political risk to him. At the end of the day, it may be unrealistic to think that Obama would challenge the status quo in his home state and his actions may very well be an example of the old adage that "all politics are local." Yet, that thinking reduces Obama's expansive vision to one where change in Washington becomes the panacea for our nation's problems and where Obama only means what he says in a tiny sliver of land on the East Coast, and that doesn't feel like change, unity and certainly not audacity. One thing seems certain -- voters would do well to take a peak at who from Illinois is on Obama's bandwagon to D.C.





housesub4you -> RE: Connecting the dots. Obama. (9/3/2008 2:54:08 PM)

Hey dammit, lay off the Chicago politics, everyone gets their fair share of votes based on where you live and who you donate to. 




Thadius -> RE: Connecting the dots. Obama. (9/3/2008 2:59:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

Hey dammit, lay off the Chicago politics, everyone gets their fair share of votes based on where you live and who you donate to. 


I won't lay off of that topic, for a couple of reasons.  First, most folks around the country think we are joking and exagerating about how corrupt the system is.  Second, one of their own is running for the top seat in the country, so the information should at least be made visible, allowing folks to make a judgement of their own based on the facts. 

I mean the circle jerk is hillarious, you have each member vouching for the character of the others.  Hell, and I am staying away from the stuff talking about particular folks being poisoned, disappearing, or run out of town.




housesub4you -> RE: Connecting the dots. Obama. (9/3/2008 3:05:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

I won't lay off of that topic, for a couple of reasons.  First, most folks around the country think we are joking and exagerating about how corrupt the system is. 


It depends how you define corrupt?  I mean is it Reaaallyy corrupt when you have to make a cash donation to your Alderman just to get a city approved garbage can so your trash will be picked up?

Why that is just helping to keeps the rats of the streets and in their Political office space




servantforuse -> RE: Connecting the dots. Obama. (9/3/2008 3:09:54 PM)

Just a cash donation to an alderman.?? Tony Rezko was indited by a federal grand jury. He is now a convicted felon, on his way to a federal prison.. 




servantforuse -> RE: Connecting the dots. Obama. (9/3/2008 3:13:12 PM)

I forgot to mention the $400,000.00 that Obama got from Mr.Rezko to but tha mansion he couldn't quite afford to buy on his own..Just another donation to an alderman..




housesub4you -> RE: Connecting the dots. Obama. (9/3/2008 3:15:05 PM)

Yes, I know.  Seems you missed the sardonic undertones in my replies to T.  





Thadius -> RE: Connecting the dots. Obama. (9/3/2008 3:15:31 PM)

I would prefer to put them all up in the old Joliet jail... but I am not sure who bought it or what the plans are.

Speaking of Alderman and the Honorable Mayor...

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/clout_st/2008/04/bridgeport-alde.html
quote:

The alderman of the 11th Ward---Mayor Richard Daley's power base---said Wednesday he would do everything possible to support Robert Sorich and his two other constituents who were convicted in federal court for their roles in the criminal patronage hiring scheme in the mayor's office.


Just another day in the life, living the Chicago way....




servantforuse -> RE: Connecting the dots. Obama. (9/3/2008 3:22:54 PM)

I did miss it. My 2 granddaughters just got picked up. It's cocktail time and I'm still a little frazled..It was a long day...mike




Thadius -> RE: Connecting the dots. Obama. (9/4/2008 4:20:21 PM)

Evening my fellow CMers,

When we last left off we were discussing the ties that bind, and how poliitcal influence, possible bribes, and reciprocity runs rampant.  So lets just put a few more dots in place, as one can not gather there is a tie between Obama and Biden, solely on the Rezko information.  I hope some of you did your homework.  There will be a test in Nov.

We all know about the community organizing that Sen. Obama took part in while making his political connections in Chicago.  One of his biggest accomplishments had to deal with getting asbestos removed from some low income housing.  One of the firms that helped him heavily, is a firm that specializes in representing asbestos victims SimmonsCooper, which makes a bit of sense.  This same firm has lobbied successfully the Delaware senators office, as their business was threatened by Congress. Oh but it goes further than just simple appearance. Not many folks know that:

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-biden28-2008aug28,0,5223324.story
quote:

WASHINGTON -- When Joe Biden's brother and son wanted to buy a hedge fund company two years ago, they turned for financing to a law firm that had lobbied the Delaware senator's office on an important piece of business in Congress -- and in fact had recently benefited from his vote. The firm promised James and Hunter Biden that it would invest $2 million, and quickly delivered half of it.



and

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In addition to providing financing for the hedge fund deal, SimmonsCooper picked the law firm of another of Biden's sons, Beau, to work with it on dozens of asbestos cases in Delaware. "It was only natural that we worked with my friend Beau Biden and his firm," said Jeffrey Cooper, former managing partner of SimmonsCooper.

And SimmonsCooper employees have donated about $200,000 to Biden's campaign efforts since 2001, making the firm his No. 1 donor. All told, SimmonsCooper employees provided much more money to Biden than to any other senator during that period, according to an analysis by the Center for Responsive Politics.



SimmonsCooper has maintained a working relationship with Obama over the years and even uses his grassroots organization and representatives to further their work.  From their own site, about just one of these relationships.

quote:

For the nuclear workers, attorneys Joe Kusmierczak and Jackalyn Olinger have worked for over three years with a group of grassroots volunteers and representatives from Senator Barack Obama and Congressman John Shimkus’ offices.  


Well friends that is all for tonights installment, I will get back to the meatier stuff in the days to come, and mayhaps have some exclusive stuff from folks back home, here's to hoping they will allow me to post the conversations.

Enjoy your evening, and remember to look into these things yourselves, do not take my word, trust your own mind to make judgements based on the facts.

A concerned citizen,
Thadius




Thadius -> RE: Connecting the dots. Obama. (9/6/2008 3:34:55 PM)

Time to add a few more dots, this time not so much on the financial connections... but lets look at who and where he chose to seek support.

http://nalert.blogspot.com/2008/02/obamas-socialist-relationships.html


oh and this.. from another story..

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Four thousand supporters turned out for a rally with Senator Barack Obama in Durham, North Carolina, on Thursday. The Democratic presidential candidate said he would not take any questions, but he relented when a five-year-old girl named Hadassah Jones broke into tears. She was there as a correspondent for brandnewz.com.

According to the Associated Press story, Senator Obama gave the little girl a brief explanation of his plan for universal health insurance coverage and improved education. Then he explained his view that the wealthy should pay the expenses of people who are not wealthy:

"We've got to make sure that people who have more money help the people who have less money," Sen. Obama said. "If you had a whole pizza, and your friend had no pizza, would you give him a slice?"


These are fun...
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/28915
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20080211ObamaCheHouston.jpg
"Barack Obama won’t wear an American flag on his lapel, but on the wall of his Houston campaign office: a Cuban flag with a picture of Communist mass murderer Che Guevara."

And that flag is no fluke. Here’s another one.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20080211ObamaCheHouston2.jpg

Oh and here is a bit more reading...
http://www.fff.org/blog/jghblog2008-06-12.asp


I know, I know all speculation... or is it?  Take a look at what HIS Global Poverty Act does, and other proposals.  Redistribution of wealth, universal health care, universal volunteer service, etc...

Folks open your eyes, forget the party affiliations and research this stuff yourselves.
 
That's it for this episode... I will get back to the meat and potatoes in the next installment.




DomKen -> RE: Connecting the dots. Obama. (9/6/2008 3:53:04 PM)

Thadius, if you think any of this is true why hasn't he been investigated? Revko is going to jail but the Republican federal prosecutor has said quite clearly he has no reason to investigate Obama.

As to your repeated 'he's a socialist!" whines I debunked them already so stop repeating them.
http://www.collarchat.com/m_2050251/mpage_2/key_socialist%252Cobama/tm.htm#2052602




Thadius -> RE: Connecting the dots. Obama. (9/6/2008 4:06:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Thadius, if you think any of this is true why hasn't he been investigated? Revko is going to jail but the Republican federal prosecutor has said quite clearly he has no reason to investigate Obama.

As to your repeated 'he's a socialist!" whines I debunked them already so stop repeating them.
http://www.collarchat.com/m_2050251/mpage_2/key_socialist%252Cobama/tm.htm#2052602


Why hasn't Daley been investigated... or John Stroger?   A prosecutor said what about Obama?

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/rezko/1027788,CST-NWS-rezkoside27.article

New mystery: Feds planned to link Obama-Rezko but backed off

That is enough meat for now... glad you debunked everything with your statements.  That counters anything anybody else has to say.[8|] 




DomKen -> RE: Connecting the dots. Obama. (9/6/2008 4:21:38 PM)

It's real simple produce the socialist organization Obama is a member of. If you can't, we both know you can't, then calling him a socialist is the equivalent of me calling you a fascist.

As to Rezko, where in that article does it say Obama was in any sort of legal trouble? Rezko's been under investiagtion for a while and the prosecutors have never served a subpoena on Obama. You may wish it to be otherwise but not a single quid pro quo has been found linking Obama to Rezko.




Thadius -> RE: Connecting the dots. Obama. (9/6/2008 4:36:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

It's real simple produce the socialist organization Obama is a member of. If you can't, we both know you can't, then calling him a socialist is the equivalent of me calling you a fascist.

As to Rezko, where in that article does it say Obama was in any sort of legal trouble? Rezko's been under investiagtion for a while and the prosecutors have never served a subpoena on Obama. You may wish it to be otherwise but not a single quid pro quo has been found linking Obama to Rezko.


It hasn't stopped you or others in the past.  I didn't realize one must join a party to be considered a socialist or marxist...  However, you are correct he as far as I know does not belong to the party, he just does speeches for them, their members, and gets advertising in their publications.

Oh, I wouldn't be too sure about there being no quid pro quo.  Suggesting that there wasn't seems awfully naive from somebody that lives in the city.  Nothing has been charged legally, yet.  However, I think some of the more recently released boxes of papers is going to make for alot of fun.

Yes I know you already told me how Saul was a stand up guy, and not a socialist either...

What is the definition of socialism or socialist again?  You don't think it applies?  Interesting.

Back to the quid pro quo thing for just a minute though...

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/425305,CST-NWS-obama13.article

quote:

As a state senator, Barack Obama wrote letters to city and state officials supporting his political patron Tony Rezko's successful bid to get more than $14 million from taxpayers to build apartments for senior citizens. The deal included $855,000 in development fees for Rezko and his partner, Allison S. Davis, Obama's former boss, according to records from the project, which was four blocks outside Obama's state Senate district.


Psst... read back up the topic a bit about a certain board that Obama was on that also provided money to both of these folks...

I know probably just another "boneheaded move".  Seems to be alot of these in the Senator's past, that are finding their way into the public.

Just sayin.




DomKen -> RE: Connecting the dots. Obama. (9/6/2008 4:57:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

It's real simple produce the socialist organization Obama is a member of. If you can't, we both know you can't, then calling him a socialist is the equivalent of me calling you a fascist.

As to Rezko, where in that article does it say Obama was in any sort of legal trouble? Rezko's been under investiagtion for a while and the prosecutors have never served a subpoena on Obama. You may wish it to be otherwise but not a single quid pro quo has been found linking Obama to Rezko.


It hasn't stopped you or others in the past. 

Post where I called you or anyone a fascist or retract this.


quote:

I didn't realize one must join a party to be considered a socialist or marxist...  However, you are correct he as far as I know does not belong to the party, he just does speeches for them, their members, and gets advertising in their publications.

Just because someone gives speeches to a group or advertises in their magazines doesn't make that person a member of that froup. Basic logic which you might try applying occasionally.

quote:

Oh, I wouldn't be too sure about there being no quid pro quo.  Suggesting that there wasn't seems awfully naive from somebody that lives in the city.  Nothing has been charged legally, yet.  However, I think some of the more recently released boxes of papers is going to make for alot of fun.

Yes I know you already told me how Saul was a stand up guy, and not a socialist either...

What is the definition of socialism or socialist again?  You don't think it applies?  Interesting.

Back to the quid pro quo thing for just a minute though...

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/425305,CST-NWS-obama13.article

quote:

As a state senator, Barack Obama wrote letters to city and state officials supporting his political patron Tony Rezko's successful bid to get more than $14 million from taxpayers to build apartments for senior citizens. The deal included $855,000 in development fees for Rezko and his partner, Allison S. Davis, Obama's former boss, according to records from the project, which was four blocks outside Obama's state Senate district.


Psst... read back up the topic a bit about a certain board that Obama was on that also provided money to both of these folks...

I know probably just another "boneheaded move".  Seems to be alot of these in the Senator's past, that are finding their way into the public.

Just sayin.

So where is the quid pro quo in that? Maybe you don't know what "quid pro quo" means. Quid pro Quo means, literally, something for something. IOW a favor for a favor. So to claim a quid pro quo has occured you have to show that both parties received some sort of benefit.




Thadius -> RE: Connecting the dots. Obama. (9/6/2008 5:12:03 PM)

Nothing to retract, you and others have implied it quite often.

So his policies, and positions are not socialistic?  Cool, what definition do you have of the word?

Are you suggesting that Obama didn't receive anything?  OR that Rezko didn't? 

Obama clearly did in various donations that were funneled to him and other politicing, that has already been admitted to by both sides of that relationship.

Rezko, received favors in legislation that was produced and in letters being written, oh and from Obama voting to give money from the Woods foundation to REZKO AND SMITH projects.  Need specifics?  Okay, we can do that too.

Search the IL state records in 2001 for a bill allowing developers to sell state tax credits to others and pocket half of the proceeds. Guess who's name is on it...2002 and 2004 he wrote bills giving grants directly to developers. Numerous votes on such projects, in the favor of Rezko (even though the man found it to be common practice to vote present on many other issues). This also on top of writing letters to state, county and city that helped get Rezko the $14million I mentioned in my last post.

Of course these could all be coincidences... then the other "boneheaded" deal involving the Senator's house and the yard next door.  I know just coincidences.

There was nothing for nothing, no quid pro quo.  Simply Chicago politics. [8|]




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