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RE: Contracts - 12/19/2005 5:35:46 AM   
MsCece2u


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I do like the idea of a committment letter. Especially if you are dealing with multiple subs. Having things spelled out on paper can only help not hurt.

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RE: Contracts - 12/19/2005 8:31:19 AM   
AlderTheKitty


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i was working on writing one for my ex but it was a fight with her to get it done.

she didn't want any of the impur i put in and when she wanted something it had to be there and in her exact words even if they made no sence it was a hasel and eventualy i just gave up and her being the dim wit she was for got about it

things that a conrtact or comitment letter can spell out are medical allowances i am diognosed with mild autism and have diffculty esxpressing feelings some times and that was one thing that she was like "if you can't do something the way i want you to your fucked i don't care if you have a disability" need less to say her mentor chewed her a new one for that hehehe

another thing is that it can be used to simmer down a bad situation and as proof of consent

Just this little Kittys 2 cents

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RE: Contracts - 12/20/2005 5:30:34 AM   
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I AGREE! After recent events there will be guidelines in writing whether it is a contract or a commitment letter, just to avoid any future confusion. Once again Thanks. La'Dee

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RE: Contracts - 2/16/2007 2:29:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: imtempting

The contracts are not needed.
There is no point to them.


We do not need a contract but when we first started our present lifestyle my wife did write a very simple one that, as she said at the time, would help me to understand my position and help me to focus on what was expected.  She and I both signed it and it is in a frame on the living room wall. 

.............. will wear a chastity device until ............. takes it off and will commence wearing it when told. 
...............  will have complete control of the keys.
...............  will not cause, encourage or allow any fluids to leave his penis or go to the toilet without permission.
...............  will endeavour at all times do as he is told when he is told.
............... may punish ............. as, when and how she so desires
...............  will do all he can to please ................ including anticipating her needs.

This contract is binding for one year from ................ at which time  ................  after negotiation ................... may ask that he may have the keys or that he may be denied the keys for one more year.


Obviously I did ask that I may be denied the keys.  Nothing much has changed I have permission to go to the toilet whenever I need to but out of courtesy I always ask first if she is there wherever we are.

As to our yearly negotiations, for the last two years I was asked if there was anything I wanted to change I just said no thankyou.  There is nothing we want to change, we are both really enjoying our lifestyle and fully intend to continue to do so.

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RE: Contracts - 2/16/2007 3:10:16 AM   
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We created a contract that was signed by all 3 when we held the collaring ceremony almost a year ago.
We did this for two reasons. 1,We wanted to put on paper the important things we had promised our sub,protection,honesty,caring and love.
2, so that she knew she was truly wanted by us both and that we would always show her respect for her own personal position.she also wanted it to prove herself to us and how much she truly wanted to be a part of our lives.
Everyone has different thoughts on contracts,commitment letters,some want them some don't want to give them.
Its what it means to the people concerned.
To Us it means belonging

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RE: Contracts - 2/16/2007 5:56:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LaDee

Do You suggest that each Mistress have Her sub/slave sign one? Is there a standard one or does each usually make Her own?
Curiuos here. La'Dee


The only think I suggest is that each person thoroughly think about what they are doing and make a plan to help them succeed in finding and maintaining the type of relationship they want.

Personally I find that a contract helps me with this goal so it is part of my plan. However in order to maximize the likelihood it will help me I need to create one that is supportive of that type of household and dynamic I want to have. I did this by looking at many contracts, doing much secondary reading, learning from others then designing one myself that was revised over the course of about five years as I saw how well or how poorly it helped me succeed.

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RE: Contracts - 2/16/2007 11:40:34 AM   
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I was collared by my Mistress on my birthday in December.  At that time I signed a one year contract with her.  I liked that.  It let me know exactly what was expected of me, where she wanted the relationship to go and what freedoms I would have.  She told me that at the end of the year, if we both were happy then she would give me another contract for a longer period of time.

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RE: Contracts - 2/16/2007 2:05:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LaDee

Do You suggest that each Mistress have Her sub/slave sign one? Is there a standard one or does each usually make Her own?
Curiuos here. La'Dee



For Me its a must that each person sign a form that works for what I do.
Its not a legal document,but according to My Attorney it shows that said parties are in agreement for said things to be done from this day forward.



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RE: Contracts - 2/16/2007 11:04:58 PM   
MzMia


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quote:

ORIGINAL: martinasubtv

Here is one that my Madam and i have signed, this is taken from the many we have seen on the web, i hope this helps

Names left out for you to alter as required


Contract between Madam(name & slave Name)
THIS IS AN AGREEMENT BY WHICH Madam Name, ASSUMES FULL OWNERSHIP AND CONTROL IN THE CHASTITY OF THE OF sub slave Name, WHEREAS Madam Name IS THE CHASTITY KEYHOLDER AND THE sub slave Name IS THE CHASTITY DEVICE WEARER, THIS CONTRACT IS BINDING ON sub slave Name ONLY FOR REST OF HIS LIFE
I. TERMS OF AGREEMENT
Madam Name will have total 24/7 control of sub salve Name, in every aspect and as follows
A. The sub slave Name submits ownership of his genitals to Madam Name as her property. Madam takes complete control of the sub slave’s genitals. The sub slave is not allowed to touch or fondle Madam Joyce’s newly acquired property without her consent, however, Madam has free reign to do whatever she desires with her property.
B. Madam Name will ultimately decide when/if permission to orgasm will be granted based on variables such as infractions of these terms, the convenience of the orgasm to be granted, or Madam’s general overall mood to grant permission.
C. The sub slave submits to the use and wearing of a locking chastity device to ensure that Madam’s newly acquired property is kept secure and denies access to the sub slave’s ability to break the terms of this chastity. Madam Name will keep all keys. The sub slave is not authorized to touch any of the Madam’s keys. The sub slave will only be allowed to open the chastity belt in the case of an emergency. Madam will review the emergency and decide whether the emergency was excusable. An inexcusable emergency will be met with punishment.
D. When Madam Name decides the chastity device may be taken off for hygiene and maintenance purposes. Madam will decide if she will be the one who performs the cleaning of her property, or if she will trust the sub slave with the task.
E. The chastity device may be taken off, at any time Madam Name wishes, and for any reason Madam wishes.
F. The sub slave does not have authority to remove the chastity device, from Madam’s property for any reason. The sub slave may, however, submit a request for removal of the chastity device explaining the reason or reasons for removal, but ultimately Madam Name will decide on the approval of the request.
G. The sub slave Name will take responsibility for the performance of all household chores. This includes, but is not limited to, washing the dishes, cleaning the kitchen, cleaning the bathrooms, vacuuming the floors, trash removal, ironing, and general cleanup of all rooms within the house. Madam Name may request that these chores be done at any time she sees fit. Madam Name may also add any household duties as she wishes. In extreme cases, but ultimately decided by the Madam, Madam Name may take part in household chores.
H. Madam may ask for, any additional personal assistance from the sub slave such as helping her get dressed, shaving her legs, helping with hair, etc., at any time she sees fit. The sub slave has no right to deny Madam Name of any personal assistance.
I. The slave sub must request permission from Madam Name to engage in any kind of hobby or personal activity not mentioned above. Madam has the right to deny these request’s at any time.
J. Madam Name has the right to ask or demand any reasonable favour from the sub slave without any form of defiance. The sub slave has the right to explain any disagreement of the favour, but Madam Name ultimately has the final word in the ruling of the appeal.
L. Madam Name can do anything sexual or not as she thinks fit, this to include any anal play on the sub slave, i.e. Dildo’s, enema’s etc, beatings etc, or anything else that Madam Name wishes that is not covered by this agreement.
K. Madam Name has the authority to amend any of the terms listed above, at any time, and without the sub slave’s agreement.

II. PUNISHMENTS AND CONSEQUENCES
Madam Name can administer punishment whenever or wherever, at any time without any reason what so ever, also this can be as many as she likes or as hard as she like
A. If the sub slaves touches or fondles his Madam’s acquired property without her permission, an additional four weeks will be added to the chastity period, Madam was thinking about, further this will get sub slave a punishment of Madams Choice
B. If the sub slave has an unauthorized orgasm any time during the chastity period:
1. He must lick up his mess.
2. He must submit to a punishment of what ever Madam decides.
3. In addition, the chastity period will increase by eight weeks over on the original day or release date.
C. If the sub slave has any uncontrollable form of orgasm during the chastity period (i.e., wet dreams, etc.); the sub slave will report the incident to Madam, who has the right to apply the original punishment for unauthorized orgasm, or she can waive any kind of punishment. The sub slave has no rights to appeal in Madam’s final decision.
D. Any unauthorized removal of the chastity device from the Madam’s property, tampering with the chastity device, stealing of the Madam’s keys, without the Madam’s approval of the incident will be met with the following punishment:
1. Automatic forfeiture of orgasm for 42 days (six weeks) from the time that the infraction occurred.
2. Punishment from Madam with the use of a paddle.
3. Hard smacks to the testicles, Madam to decide how many
4. Madam will notify the sub slave if she wants to continue in his orgasm denial program.

E. If the sub slave fails to do any of the household duties, he will receive:
1. 7 days (one week) added on to the current chastity period for each infraction.
2. Punishment from a paddle, by Madam for each infraction.


F. If the sub slave fails to do any of the personal assistance duties, including, any additional personal assistance, he will receive:
1. 7 days (one week) added on to the current chastity period for each infraction.
2. Punishment from a paddle, by Madam for each infraction.

G. If the sub slave defies the Madam Name when denied a hobby or personal activity, the sub slave:
1. Will be grounded from the activity for 7 days (one week) for each infraction, or one meeting
2. Punishment from a paddle, by Madam for each infraction.

H. Madam Name has the authority to amend any of the punishments and consequences listed above. The sub slave has none.

Madam Name has the sole right to cancel this binding agreement for life at any time
I agree to the terms and conditions listed above. I authorize this agreement to take effect on the day of signing

Signature of (Name of Mistress / Madam)
Date (enter Date)

I agree to the terms and conditions listed above. I authorize this agreement to take effect on the day of signing, further this agreement is binding on me and me alone for the rest of my life, or as long as Madam Name so desires


Signature of sub slave (enter Name)
Date (enter Date)



Thank you so much for sharing this!! Please post more often!

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RE: Contracts - 2/17/2007 12:35:30 AM   
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There's one thing for certain to be said about contracts between a dominant and a submissive/slave, it gives each one the opportunity to reflect on their needs and expectations from the freshly growing relationship between them. 
 
The better written contracts that I've read all made provisions for a periodic review and allowed for negotiation to adjust them as experience was gained, lessons learned, and limits changed.  Their legal credence seems to me to be the least important value they have.  It's what they help bring to the process of setting expectations, defining roles, and planning for where the relationship is headed along with how that is to happen, in my opinion is where the real value lays in going through the process of creating a contract for any D/s relationship.  As usual, YMMV.
 
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RE: Contracts - 2/17/2007 1:48:06 AM   
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quote:





Thank you so much for sharing this!! Please post more often!


Just an FYI, MzMia.. this thread over a year old and martinasubtv hasn't been online since that time frame.

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RE: Contracts - 2/17/2007 9:51:57 AM   
MzMia


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quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

quote:





Thank you so much for sharing this!! Please post more often!


Just an FYI, MzMia.. this thread over a year old and martinasubtv hasn't been online since that time frame.

Celeste


Bita?  Cause she has that great contract, I bet she does not have time to be on here much!!

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