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XYisInferior -> RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. (7/23/2009 12:04:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

Good comments, Peon (as usual).

Mykaois, read and look around at what others do, but don't feel that you have to accept ANYONE ELSE'S way of doing things.


I seem to recall saying start where you want to start, and framing my advice as point of view that could or could not be helpful. To use your words, "reading and looking around at what others do" involves considering shared opinions. No kidding.




Lockit -> RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. (7/23/2009 12:11:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BoJenga1


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer



For the OP - be as common as you like. 



Yeah some Bottoms would rather she be as common as possible so they can be the Princesses in the relationship. LMAO


LMAO too... I wouldn't call someone a bottom so easily. That was a pretty judgemental way of putting things. Because some do things differently doesn't mean they are less, only tops or bottoms or princess types.




AAkasha -> RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. (7/23/2009 1:52:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

I don't mean to hijack the thread, but some attempted disagreements here seem predicated on a misunderstanding of the phrase "hot button".

By definition, a hot button is "an issue or concern (sometimes emotionally charged) that motivates a person to act". Nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't mean a demand, a "do me list", or anything of the sort. It's generic and pretty simple: if someone influences you to do something, they pushed a hot button. You might not even be conscious of it, and sometimes they didn't do it intentionally either.

The phrase has been commonly used in sales and marketing for many years, and eventually made its way into use by the general public.


Regardless, the idea that a sub should present his ideas/hot buttons or ANYTHING like that to a new femdom, rather than let her *uncover them* is the problem.  Why the rush? Why the paranoia that his needs won't be met?  Isn't he willing to just step back and at least give her the chance to find her inner femdom in her own way, and THEN move on to his "hot buttons?"

Here is what most sub guys don't get.  The process of LEARNING a man's hot buttons through the act is far more empowering that just being told, hinted at or given a list. If a woman just has a list, that means her presence is secondary. It's a list ANY woman can fulfill. It means she has to wonder if she is doing it right when she does it.  On the other hand, if she uncovers his hot buttons in the process of domination, she OWNS them.  They are hot button that are connected to HER dominating him, not just things that get him off that she figures she may as well do to have power.  One makes a woman feel sexy and confident, the other makes her feel like a prop. 

If by the third, fourth, tenth time she is dominating him and having a BLAST doing it he realizes she's totally missing on his hot buttons, I have a couple of predictions. One is that I bet he forgot them himself, because seeing her get off and enjoy herself is better than any hot buttons he had in the past.  Two, they have developed enough power exchange vibe/chemistry that he can clue her in without ever even verbally telling her.  Three, he may realize it's better to just have her find it, because every time she finds something new that controls him, she is like a kid in a candy store, because SHE figured it out. 

And four, if she is ready and confident, she will peel him like an onion to uncover these hot buttons in HER way.  This depends on her style of dominance.  She will have a burning, growing desire to manipulate him sexually and sensually, because she has learned to love the mindspace and emotional feelings that go with dominance. No longer will she feel pressured to just perform these acts, she'll feel driven to do it. 

To me this all seems very simple, and I don't understand the resistance from some men to just let it go, let her try at her own pace, and realize that the payoff is having a woman who feels comfortable, confident and excited about her dominance.

Akasha




PeonForHer -> RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. (7/23/2009 2:13:38 PM)

The process of LEARNING a man's hot buttons through the act is far more empowering that just being told, hinted at or given a list. If a woman just has a list, that means her presence is secondary.
 
That's roughly what I thought.  Also, it could be a lot more fun for the sub if the domme finds out herself without being told.  When a woman hit upon my favourite kink recently without being told, it was like I was suddenly switched into fifth gear.  But I've heard that femdoms do often want such a list of 'hot buttons' in advance, regardless.  Perhaps this is simply because it gives them more of a sense of power and control. 

I'm beginning to think that this could very much cut both ways, depending on the femdom, in short . . .




VampiresLair -> RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. (7/23/2009 2:25:59 PM)

I would agree with AAkasha... if it were the OPs idea to be the femdomme and the boy was agreeing to give it a try. But it wasnt. Its like starting a conversation by saying "Hi, what do you want to talk about?" The answer is probably nothing since I wasnt the one with the idea to start the conversation. Asking her to be his domme and then saying ok, now do whatever you had in mind causes anxiety, she had nothing in mind! Anxiety in having to come up with things without any help from him is going to make for a stressful and potentially sour experience, especially for a newcomer.

The OP isnt a FemDomme, she is being asked to be one. It might not be for her at all, she might hate it. However, if she wants to try it, the best way to do so was to find some mutual kinks and explore those. Comfortable enjoyed kinks as a starting point are a great confidence builder. Find a checklist online, answer it for you and have him answer it for him. See where you agree and consider starting there. Once you see if that even works for you, then move on to a few other things. Since this is a non-sexual relationship concern about finding his hot buttons and being able to turn him on dont really apply that much to you. However, if he likes being tied up, and you enjoy tying him up it is mutually beneficial. If you want to have him do some cleaning wround the house, then order him to. If he isnt a service sub and has no dsire to be, then that wont make either of you happy since he wont be into it and you wont get quality service. Regardless of what anyone saus, it is not all about the domme. If the sub isnt into it, they wont do well and the service the domme gets will be substandard and disappointing. Whats the point?

DV




Lockit -> RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. (7/23/2009 2:26:47 PM)

I don't ask what a man's buttons are. lol I ask what types of things he likes in general so I can decide if I wish to go any further. I have always said the longer you are with someone, the better it ought to be because in all the time... you can discover many things and learn so much that might trigger something new to do and experience.

I still think a lot depends on what goals you have for the relationship and who the people are.

What I do find interesting though is that some submissive's seem to want the dominant to take the upperhand so to speak and just be dominant with them, but later will say... oh hell no... this is too much for me... I want to be respected and take time and have it all mean something to me and they have no right to tell me what to do at this point. They want to take time and yet, they still want someone to act dominant right off. You can't have it both ways.




BoJenga1 -> RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. (7/23/2009 2:49:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lockit

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ORIGINAL: BoJenga1


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer



For the OP - be as common as you like. 



Yeah some Bottoms would rather she be as common as possible so they can be the Princesses in the relationship. LMAO


LMAO too... I wouldn't call someone a bottom so easily. That was a pretty judgemental way of putting things. Because some do things differently doesn't mean they are less, only tops or bottoms or princess types.


Say what? Is there something wrong with being a Bottom in general? Bottom or not, your friend there with the displayed back seems to preach alot about dominant women but really I wonder about how much experience he does have under his belt in r/l to speak on the issue? We'll probably never know for sure.




Lockit -> RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. (7/23/2009 2:59:52 PM)

There is nothing wrong with being a bottom. There is however something wrong in deciding who is what and managing to sound insulting at the same time.. just as your last post does.  Gee... go figure...

And... my friend with the fabulous back... doesn't need me defending him, which I wasn't doing. I was commenting on your words.




PeonForHer -> RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. (7/23/2009 3:20:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lockit
What I do find interesting though is that some submissive's seem to want the dominant to take the upperhand so to speak and just be dominant with them, but later will say... oh hell no... this is too much for me... I want to be respected and take time and have it all mean something to me and they have no right to tell me what to do at this point. They want to take time and yet, they still want someone to act dominant right off. You can't have it both ways.


I'd guess the relationship is suffering in some much more basic way for there to be that big a breakdown in communication. 




Lockit -> RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. (7/23/2009 3:23:46 PM)

Yes?  And? lol

Ahhh... well I am talking about things that have been said to me in email or by a submissive or two and have seen around here. I am not one to act on my dominant nature or anything else but friendship until such a time as when we both are drawn by who we are and have some basis for d/s. I am doing things toward my goals and I want to know the person before I play or go where I wish to go. Dominance in life in general can be seen in my personality.

Yet I have seen over and over, submissive's wanting someone to act dominant with them before there is a basis for that dominance and then when someone does and they like it and respond... later get upset over it somehow. lol




PeonForHer -> RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. (7/23/2009 3:25:17 PM)

What 'preaching'?  Like I said, I'm talking about what turns me on.  Me.  Entirely selfish. 




PeonForHer -> RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. (7/23/2009 3:27:56 PM)

Damnit, I hate it when that happens.




BoJenga1 -> RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. (7/23/2009 3:46:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

What 'preaching'?  Like I said, I'm talking about what turns me on.  Me.  Entirely selfish. 


"For others, though, they'll be depressing. I wonder how many new or 'aspiring' femdoms are going to read that and think "Well, that settles it. I can't be a femdom because I swear, get drunk, eat too much chocolate occasionally and get spots. I'm irredeemably common". "



For real? My bad, see because here you seem to preach what femdomme (and you aren't one, correct) would feel. Btw, I still want to know what experience you have on femdommes in real life.




Lockit -> RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. (7/23/2009 3:52:20 PM)

Oh god lord... whatever!




PeonForHer -> RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. (7/23/2009 4:00:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BoJenga1


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

What 'preaching'?  Like I said, I'm talking about what turns me on.  Me.  Entirely selfish. 


"For others, though, they'll be depressing. I wonder how many new or 'aspiring' femdoms are going to read that and think "Well, that settles it. I can't be a femdom because I swear, get drunk, eat too much chocolate occasionally and get spots. I'm irredeemably common". "



For real? My bad, see because here you seem to preach what femdomme (and you aren't one, correct) would feel. Btw, I still want to know what experience you have on femdommes in real life.


Oh I see! 

As for my experience - yes, I've had more than enough to know what may feel oppressive to at least some of them.  One of those sources of oppression - a main source, in fact - is the demand that such dommes feel to act cool, sophisticated, and poised.  So much so, in fact, that they're able to fit into subs' conceptions of how "Goddesses" should act. 

In what way is this 'preaching'?  I'd be a funny sort of preacher in any religion you care to mention if I, Priest Peon, were to suggest that my ''congregation' act just the way they want to act. 




PeonForHer -> RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. (7/23/2009 4:12:22 PM)

Yes?  And? lol

There is no "And", Lockit.  As I said, I'd guess the relationship is suffering in some much more basic way for there to be that big a breakdown in communication.  That would be the case for me, anyway. 




Lockit -> RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. (7/23/2009 4:17:04 PM)

Notice my edit? lol Before you edited, I posted that. I just editited and didn't delete that part! lol




PeonForHer -> RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. (7/23/2009 4:20:44 PM)

Now I have a headache. [:(]




Lockit -> RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. (7/23/2009 4:29:55 PM)

I know a cure for that... just sayin...




XYisInferior -> RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. (7/23/2009 4:39:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

As for my experience - yes, I've had more than enough to know what may feel oppressive to at least some of them.  One of those sources of oppression - a main source, in fact - is the demand that such dommes feel to act cool, sophisticated, and poised.  So much so, in fact, that they're able to fit into subs' conceptions of how "Goddesses" should act. 

In what way is this 'preaching'?  I'd be a funny sort of preacher in any religion you care to mention if I, Priest Peon, were to suggest that my ''congregation' act just the way they want to act. 


And therein lies the gist of your misunderstanding of what you originally responded to and ran with to the soap box; you are viewing it as if I'm suggesting be "fake", when in fact, if you care to re-read what you were responding to in the first place, you'd see I accentuated being sure, consistent, clear, and real—of starting where you wish, of having original thought, of being bold enough to keep lies to a minimum. It's when a Woman is merely offering top service that affectations are needed to make a scene work, but even here, it's not bad advice to suggest being good in your craft.

Further, I just don't see the harm in speaking a little about class and standing out from the crowd. That is of course not the same as saying, "be a shake-and-bake Goddess!"




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