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tazzygirl -> RE: Saving a soldiers memorial. (8/30/2009 12:13:48 PM)
Schools, Hospitals, Charities, the list could continue for pages of all the religious funding the government provides. I agree, it all should stop. Every dime should be returned. Why doesnt the ACLU go after these?

rightwinghippie -> RE: Saving a soldiers memorial. (8/30/2009 12:20:21 PM)
I think the Secret service should not be allowed to provide protection when People go into Churches or Holy Ground. Let's really seperate it. Heck any law with a biblical basis should be repealed right? Part of the premise of Radical seperation is that it doesn't matter if the democratic process reaches the same conclusion as a religion, if its religious based it is invalid and illegal. So Murder is legal. Yay!! Natives say a mountain is sacred so you can't pee on it. Fuck em!!! Radical Seperation!!

tazzygirl -> RE: Saving a soldiers memorial. (8/30/2009 12:24:10 PM)
Exactly!! why stop at a cross... we should make it all seperate. If a murder is committed on "holy ground" oh well... its not the state's problem.

DomKen -> RE: Saving a soldiers memorial. (8/30/2009 5:13:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Schools, Hospitals, Charities, the list could continue for pages of all the religious funding the government provides. I agree, it all should stop. Every dime should be returned. Why doesnt the ACLU go after these? Look into it. The ACLU has gone after a lot of that stuff. That's how Christmas, in the US, is legally a secular holiday.

tazzygirl -> RE: Saving a soldiers memorial. (8/30/2009 5:21:30 PM)
And religious schools still recieve grovernment funding.. as do most charities proclaiming themselves to be religious. IF its to be seperation of church and state... then make it so... totally. Why all this fucking around with this little thing and that little thing? There are enough athiests on these boards. why not contact the ACLU and file suits? End all government funding for these programs. Something tells me you wont get far at all.

Esinn -> RE: Saving a soldiers memorial. (9/1/2009 9:00:32 AM)
If you wish to honor people why is religion necessary? The page seemed more like an advertisement for the legal foundation anyhow.

rightwinghippie -> RE: Saving a soldiers memorial. (9/1/2009 9:13:19 AM)
What right do you even have to ask that question Esinn? Because that is how the Men who generations ago, after fighting in WW1 came home and chose to honor thier fallen comrades. The page is an advertisment for the legal foundation. What is your confusion?

rulemylife -> RE: Saving a soldiers memorial. (9/1/2009 9:21:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Grofast Typical ACLU bull shies they will protect flag burning but fight tocover up a memorial to those that really protect the right of free expression bull shies?

rulemylife -> RE: Saving a soldiers memorial. (9/1/2009 9:27:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi fr Typical bullshit. Don't they have anything important to worry about? No, just your civil rights.

rightwinghippie -> RE: Saving a soldiers memorial. (9/1/2009 9:32:18 AM)
Thats right, it is vitally important that the WW1 Vets civil rights of free expression and speech be silenced, so that Liberals are happy. and the ACLU is here to make it happen.

rulemylife -> RE: Saving a soldiers memorial. (9/1/2009 9:39:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rightwinghippie Thats right, it is vitally important that the WW1 Vets civil rights of free expression and speech be silenced, so that Liberals are happy. and the ACLU is here to make it happen. I'm pretty sure most WWI Vets free expression and speech has already been silenced, and I don't think the ACLU had a thing to do with it.

rightwinghippie -> RE: Saving a soldiers memorial. (9/1/2009 9:43:46 AM)
No, actually their works will speak long after thier passing from this life, untill silenced, as you and the ACLU want to happen. I just don't get it. A 75 year old memorial put up by returning WW1 vets on private land, and you want to detroy it......

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Saving a soldiers memorial. (9/1/2009 9:47:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rightwinghippie Thats right, it is vitally important that the WW1 Vets civil rights of free expression and speech be silenced, so that Liberals are happy. and the ACLU is here to make it happen. No...it is vitally important that we remember that this is NOT a Christian country. That as someone born as a Jew and grown self-avowed athiest, I have someone saying that this country is not less mine because I do not worship at the cross. I do not want anyone to have their rights to worship as they choose taken away. That is an important freedom. Neither do I want to see the Christians take over and impose their dogma on my laws, my life or my country. As far as I'm concerned, Christianity, Jeudism and Islam deserve as much consideration in the making and administering of our laws as Pastafarianism (look it up). The argument here is not "Should we have a war memorial here." It is "Should we have the cross, which is to Chrisitanity what the golden arches are to McDonalds, being shown as having more of a right to be shown than the symbols of other religions or complete non-belief. That is what's important. And that is worth fighting for.

rightwinghippie -> RE: Saving a soldiers memorial. (9/1/2009 9:59:21 AM)
Nonsense, go get a piece of private land (just like these soldiers did) and put up your "Pasta memorial". Go for it. IF decades after you put it up and keep maintaining it, the Gov takes the land for a park, I will fight for your right to keep it there. And for others to not be able to come along and mess yours up. Why don't you? Go put up your pasta memorial.

rightwinghippie -> RE: Saving a soldiers memorial. (9/1/2009 10:04:26 AM)
I agree the Governemnt should not go around putting up Crosses on public land. That would be wrong, and a violation of the Constitution. But that is not at all what is going on here. The cross was there before it was Gov land. Put up by Veterans as an "organic" Memorial to their fallen comrades. And it has been maintained for 75 years. Like I said before, It is not conservatives who made "Liberal" into a dirty word. People like you did. Tearing down Great Grandfathers memorial. What pigs....

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Saving a soldiers memorial. (9/1/2009 10:17:15 AM)
quote: Tearing down Great Grandfathers memorial. What pigs.... Once again, you elevate the level of conversations RWH. Calling people pigs. What happened? Did you get tired of typing words like Stalinist and nazi over and over? The point you miss is not when it was put on government land, nor that it was there. It is that when another religion said that it wanted to put up a war memorial with their religious bend to things, they were denied, saying that they cannot put religious symbols there. So basicly, the cross is ok, other religious symbols not ok. Funny, I don't see a single person yelling about the fact that the government are denying soldiers a memorial by allowing this to be placed. No, they just use any excuse to huddle 'round the old rugged cross.

rightwinghippie -> RE: Saving a soldiers memorial. (9/1/2009 10:27:05 AM)
Yeah Pigs. Now please give me a single example of me calling anyone a Nazi or a Stalinist. A completely baseless accusation Spinner. Again, its not the Right making the Liberals look bad.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Saving a soldiers memorial. (9/1/2009 10:38:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rightwinghippie quote: Again, its not the Right making the Liberals look bad. I don't think it is the right making the liberals look bad. I don't think it's the liberals making the right look bad. I think both sides are doing a fine job of that on their own. And I do not think it piggishness to be viligant against the encroachment of a religion, a large section of whom have made it their stated objective to take over our country and make it their country. Even if the removal of this monument is not a proper action, a matter the courts will decide, what makes it so awful to raise the question? Where do we start to notice that some things are not in keeping with the ideals of a separation of church and state? A little prayer in public schools here, a little teaching of creationism or ID in science classes there, a little presenting of the ten commandments on our public courthouses as if Christians were the only group who ever noticed that stealing was bad, should all be ignored? The fact is a cross is a Christian symbol. The land it is on is public land. If you can't show a Jewish Star or a Buhhidist symbol or a Wiccan symbol or a sign that says "Man Created God in His Own Image", then it is appropriate that someone ask why. And let us remember that these same pigs at the ACLU stood up for those protesting against the current administration as they have for those who support it. I haven't seen many right wing organizations who can say the same.

rightwinghippie -> RE: Saving a soldiers memorial. (9/1/2009 11:00:01 AM)
"And I do not think it piggishness to be viligant against the encroachment of a religion, a large section of whom have made it their stated objective to take over our country and make it their country. " What on earth do you think encroachment means spinner? http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=encroachment There is no way you can call this encroachment by religion. Its just dumb to say. Pigs want to tear down other's memorials. The "Why?" is because it was there first, and a deal was worked out to grow the Park by 4 net acres, by giving up one acre around the preexisting cross. After decades of being on public land with no problem. This commonsense solution is what the ACLU is fighting. It is nonsense. They and the Left who support it are pigs. Conservatives get called far worse on these boards quite regulalry. The rest of your post is just blather to try to change the subject. IF you want start a thread on any of those I will comment, some I support, some I don't. (but like the "bhuddist in the court case" or the "pastafarian" you don't really want that do you, it's just an argument of absurdity, which is covered in Alinsky's "rules", with a dash of Abby Hoffman. But you never answered your direct accusation against me in post 36? Are you not going to back it up or apologize? Thats probably in Alinsky's "rules" also.

DomKen -> RE: Saving a soldiers memorial. (9/1/2009 11:01:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rightwinghippie A 75 year old memorial put up by returning WW1 vets on private land, and you want to detroy it...... That's the 3rd time. You've been corrected about it more than once. The original cross was put up in 1934, more than 15 years after the armistice, so no one was returning. That cross fell down many years ago. A white metal pipe cross was put up around the time the land was acquired by the federal government in 1994.

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