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Lordandmaster -> RE: The Little Green Eyed Monster (3/10/2006 8:13:02 PM)

Well, you're wrong. She copied her text directly from that website and did not cite it. She wasn't taking from Shakespeare. She copied someone's (bad) explanation of why jealousy is known as "the green-eyed monster."

Reposting copyrighted material is not only against the law, but can also land Collarme in trouble. All of you have been on here long enough to know that you refer to a website by posting a link to it, not by copying what it says--and certainly not without citing the source.

So please, people, back off, and stop sending me nasty private messages about this.

Lam

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ORIGINAL: corsair

I missed what MTSlave said but I don't think she would ever say anything is from her original if it was not and people all over these sites do bits of quotes without giving credit to the original so I think she has been chatted about enough.





caitlyn -> RE: The Little Green Eyed Monster (3/10/2006 8:22:01 PM)

Did you obtain permission for that picture you are using in your profile?

How do you know those elephants approve?

Tusk, tusk LOM ... maybe you need to take a pill or something. [;)]




Lordandmaster -> RE: The Little Green Eyed Monster (3/10/2006 8:28:40 PM)

It's in the public domain, sweetheart. Check it out if you'd like.




ownedgirlie -> RE: The Little Green Eyed Monster (3/10/2006 8:49:08 PM)

And here i thought this thread was about jealousy...lol.




angelic -> RE: The Little Green Eyed Monster (3/10/2006 8:59:53 PM)

LordandMaster, Sir... i truly may not understand the complete ramifications of this... but last i heard Shakespeare is dead... He's not likely to come back and scream 'copyright infringement' because one person forgot to add he was the author... i am not saying plagerism(sp?) is right... but c'mon... not everyone can be as perfect as others..

as owned said... the OP was asking about jealousy... why change the entire meaning of the thread because You got irritated?




scratchingpost -> RE: The Little Green Eyed Monster (3/10/2006 11:25:17 PM)

ANYwAY to get back on topic ....jealousy sometimes is brought on by insecurity i think, other times there are other factors involved like misunderstandings and lack of communication...what are some other reasons? and other ways to deal with it? it is my goal, with the topics i post, that others reach out and try to comfort and brainstorm ideas to those who need it.




ScooterTrash -> RE: The Little Green Eyed Monster (3/11/2006 2:42:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: scratchingpost

ANYwAY to get back on topic ....jealousy sometimes is brought on by insecurity i think, other times there are other factors involved like misunderstandings and lack of communication...what are some other reasons?

I agree, it's a subject worth discussing. All too often I see posts where someone claims that they just can't get past their being jealous and of course there are those that insist that everyone is jealous and they just need to control it. I'm into control as much as any other Dominant, but that sounds like a lot of work to me.

I'm no expert, but I would suggest that one thing that spurs on the jealousy is the general competitiveness that most of us are brought up with. You are driven by whoever raises you and even your peers as you grow older, to get ahead, to make more of yourself, to get the better job, to have the cuter girl (or boy) friend, to have the cooler car. I believe that many in their quest to obtain these things, reach out beyond their control and attempt to hang on even if it's not really "them". Kind of a twist on keeping up with the Jones's. When possession of any of which they have obtained is threatened, they curl up like a snake and strike back. I'm not saying this is all necessarily bad, as it certainly isn't right to just lay back and let what you have be taken away, but there is a fine line of protecting what is yours and being jealous. Personally, I would prefer someone stay with me because they feel I am the best choice for them, not because I am domineering and fly off the handle when they take a look at another person. If you are confident in yourself, let them look, let them speak to anyone, let them socialize with whoever they wish...if it's meant to be, then there is no threat. Let's be serious, jealousy is only a perceived threat, something created by your own mind which is sparked on by the insecurity of not knowing the future. Worst case senario..poof, they are gone, best case, hmmm, double sided I guess, they stay and never see that person again or they stay and want both..perhaps that is the basis of many poly mindsets, realizing it's OK to share. It is certainly the reason that many cannot comprehend that mindset for sure, they want it all and they want it for themselves alone. One thing is for sure, working through it if "old green eyes" shows up is a good starting point, but I honestly think it goes beyond just learning to control jealousy, I think when it comes up it needs met head on and through some form, simply put to rest. How one builds that confidence? That I don't know, but I do know it can be done. Maybe just logically reasoning it away or maybe there just comes a time when you are comfortable enough with yourself that it doesn't come up. Discussing it in forums such as this has to be of some help, as seeing that others are content to just let it go, should show that it's OK to not have to defend that hill on a constant basis. Seriously, who wants to always be looking over their shoulder and being on the defensive all the time. For me, I don't know, maybe it was just a revelation when I woke up one day, but not having to deal with it at all has to be easier than figuring out how to control it on a daily basis. It's wasted energy that could surely be put to better use.


I had extra change and that's just my two cents.




Lordandmaster -> RE: The Little Green Eyed Monster (3/11/2006 6:16:22 AM)

AS I SAID, what she copied was not from Shakespeare. She copied text from a website that was trying to explain Shakespeare.

Anyway, this issue is over, and I'm not going to respond to any more comments about it.

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ORIGINAL: angelic

LordandMaster, Sir... i truly may not understand the complete ramifications of this... but last i heard Shakespeare is dead... He's not likely to come back and scream 'copyright infringement' because one person forgot to add he was the author... i am not saying plagerism(sp?) is right... but c'mon... not everyone can be as perfect as others..





scratchingpost -> RE: The Little Green Eyed Monster (3/11/2006 10:10:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ScooterTrash


I agree, it's a subject worth discussing. All too often I see posts where someone claims that they just can't get past their being jealous and of course there are those that insist that everyone is jealous and they just need to control it. I'm into control as much as any other Dominant, but that sounds like a lot of work to me.


i do not believe that as wonderful and as controlling as many dominants are that they CAN control feelings. Feelings are what they are and need to be explored. Perhaps the best control of an emotion is to acknowlege it exists?




MTslave -> RE: The Little Green Eyed Monster (3/11/2006 3:21:22 PM)

Lordandmaster was correct in most area's. My post was indeed taken from an online page. I did not site the actual page itself. He was correct in saying that I should have sited the actual page. I am here simply to thank him for taking the time to point out the error. Now let dead horses rest in peace.




ShiftedJewel -> RE: The Little Green Eyed Monster (3/11/2006 6:42:47 PM)

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i do not believe that as wonderful and as controlling as many dominants are that they CAN control feelings. Feelings are what they are and need to be explored. Perhaps the best control of an emotion is to acknowlege it exists?


Hello scratchingpost. I'm Jewel... Scooter's other half. Yes, it is very possible to control feelings... why do people see jealousy as something that can NOT be controlled? Is it, as an emotion, all that different then anger? Yet people EXPECT others to control their anger? When I go to the grocery store I fully expect to see everyone there in complete control of their lust, I've yet to see anyone screwing in the cereal isle. Why has jealousy been put on such a high pedestal? It's an emotion, plain and simple, and it's controllable, it's fixable, it's removable. I do not have a jealous bone in my body and I know a lot of other people that don't suffer from it either. Look it up in the dictionary or thesaurus... jealous is a result of insecurities, possessiveness and selfishness... Now, tell me that it's necessary, tell me what good it does? If you are jealous then you are saying that you are insecure in your relationship, possessive of your partner and selfish. Has any ONE of those traits ever save a marriage? Extended a relationship? Helped you grow closer to your significant other?

Yes, it exists... but only because we allow it too. Anger does too, because we allow it too. Why is it so hard to understand that it's ok to let go of emotions that are hindering you and keep the ones that make your life better? Ok, we acknowledge it's existence... we simply do not allow it to exist in our space. And that isn't from a dominant point of view, that's just us, all three of us and then some.

This probably sounds like I'm ripping you apart, I don't mean to. I only want to make our point of view clear.




scratchingpost -> RE: The Little Green Eyed Monster (3/11/2006 7:38:22 PM)

smiles....rip away
after reading your post this thought crossed my mind....no one is telling someone to NOT feel angry just control their actions to it. we cannot change emotions we CAN change behaviors and actions TO those emotions...which is the same principal here. and that is what i was seeking ....ways to help others combat it so it doesnt destroy relationships make sense?
be safe and smile




Tempestspet -> RE: The Little Green Eyed Monster (3/12/2006 1:23:44 PM)

topic was...jealousy right?...smiles... sighs.. some people have a very difficult time sticking to target, don't they?

I have certainly been jealous. I can freely admit it. Usually, it's with reason. But I agree that demanding or even politely asking that it go away.... isn't going to happen. It's just seems to happen sometimes.

I think that when it does happen, you should be able to sit down with your partner and talk about it. And find a way to alleviate it. Perhaps it's a behavior that is feeding into jealousy.... find out if there's a way for the other person to alter that behavior. This won't always work.

If the jealousy is constant, and overriding, well you might need to take a closer look at yourself (yourself being a general term here...) and figure out if this is a healthy situation for you to be in.


Anyways... that's my opinion. Hopefully I have hit the Op's intent.

Thanks,
Tempest's pet
jennifer




scratchingpost -> RE: The Little Green Eyed Monster (3/12/2006 6:32:37 PM)

jennifer that is exactly what i am looking for experiences and what workds for you and your Owner.
thanks for the input. be safe and smile
kitty




Tempestspet -> RE: The Little Green Eyed Monster (3/13/2006 11:26:40 AM)

awesome.. glad I got there for ya...smiles...

Your thread helped, as a reminder to keep that little green guy at bay...

Tempest's pet
jennifer




Tapestry -> RE: The Little Green Eyed Monster (3/13/2006 12:37:37 PM)

I too have found that jealousy is a feeling and that our feelings cannot simply be stuffed away, but rather must be acknowledged and then dealt with. This doesn't mean that we need to ACT on our feelings, simply admit they are there, and acknowledge how we feel and what provoked the feelings. We are typically able to move past them once we acknowledge them. (This really does apply to all feelings, but it's only those feelings which are perceived as negative which we need to "get past".)

I have also identified something else that can spark jealousy. We've already listed insecurity, possessiveness, selfishness, and I'd like to add fear. Fear and powerlessness. Ironic that a a submissive would want to control a situation? Not at all, when matters of the heart are involved there is simply no way to predict or control, and that is scary. How long do we "wait to exhale?"

i know Master loves me, and i am secure in His devotion to me. And yet, there is no mistaking the fact that the future cannot be predicted, and that there are other situaitons in His life over which i have no control. i have recently come to the conclusion (after much soul-searching and agonizing analysis) that i am not jealous. i don't perceive these situations as a threat. But rather the impact He allows the situations to have on His communication and relationship to me are what actually poses the threat to our relationship.

So what is the antedote? Openess, honesty, communication, paying attention to our feelings, sharing them with our partners, not stuffing them down, pretending they aren't there, not ignoring them because we need to be perfect, and icky feelings mean we aren't perfect.

Is any of that easy to do? Oh good heavens no. And yet, if a relationship is worth holding onto we sometimes have to fight for it.

So there ya go kitty, my penny's worth, or maybe it was only a ha-penny at that. But I'd add fear and powerlessness to the list, and the solution seems to remain communication, acknowledging feelings, and more communication.




plantlady64 -> RE: The Little Green Eyed Monster (3/13/2006 12:49:06 PM)

Hello There,
Master and I are in a poly relationship on his side & an open one on mine. When the green ugly monster starts talking on my shoulder I seek what inside of me is making me insecure enough to give it voice. Once I figure out what I'm feeling and work through it the voice goes away and I don't get jealous.
Overall I know who I am and where I stand with my Master. The only person that can come between us is one of the two of us. His relationships with others are in our opinion not something that can affect how we feel about each other unless we let it.
Sincerely,
sub suzanne




scratchingpost -> RE: The Little Green Eyed Monster (3/13/2006 3:35:24 PM)

jennifer...it is definately more than a pennys worth....your input is priceless and valued i thank you for taking the time to reply....i also would like to thank all those who submit their experiences. What you have gone through and how you successfully dealt with it is a gift that you offer back to the community. i often find that we have isolation isssues regarding our emotions because we are an alternative lifestyle not yet quite recognized everywhere so the comments of what do you expect or you deserve what you get for living that way is not helpful at all...when we reach out to each other we strengthen ourselves and our community so please keep sharing and also take a moment to appreciate what you are doing not only for yourselves but the community as a whole.
be safe and smile
kitty




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