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Is it androgynous, or simply not stereotypically masculine in the way that sex-negative culture embodies masculinity? That's something worth thinking about.

Does it make a man less masculine, less male, to be eye candy? If you do believe, that, why do you think it's true? I suspect we're back to the same formula of having to be female (or at least not male) in order to be thought of as pretty, sexy, desirable, fuckable, or hot in that piece-of-meat eye-candy way that says sexual objectification.

Androgyny can be hot, don't get me wrong. But it's also hot to be all male and beautiful, sexually displayed and objectified for our viewing pleasure. Gay male porn does it best, but I'd really like to see a lot more examples of this dynamic in femdom culture.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


PTI's Kornheiser and Wilborn called attention to figure skater, Johnny Weir, and I guess if anyone was going to fit the description of a male "diva" he might be it. His photos are especially easy on the eye, tasteful, AND he's blessed with a figure that cuts both ways.....

Take a look at his website.

http://www.figureskatersonline.com/johnnyweir/gallery_08bangs.html

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
When males have a dancer's body - thin, muscular, supple -- and that's combined with grace and style -- you have something that combines the two genders in one.

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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer

I don't know the individual under discussion well enough to say whether his grace is purely masculine or whether he is more androgynous.  I haven't seen him move, for example.  But it is entirely possible for a male creature who is slim, supple, tautly muscled and as graceful as a stalking tiger to be completely masculine and also completely beautiful, without borrowing anything from femininity at all.

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ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic

I'm sorry if I do not fit within the specifications of what people want. I am what I am. Take it or leave it.

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ORIGINAL: SolangeRichards

I'm going to agree with you.

While I understand what cloudboy is saying, and I certainly think that he is right, about Johnny Weir, the fact is that many men have the type of build he is talking about yet they are completely masculine with no trace of the feminine whatsoever.

There are countless boxers, martial artists, jockies, swimmers and dancers etc who read totally male while still having a thin, muscular and supple body

I guess it depends on the guy

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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ORIGINAL: SolangeRichards

I'm going to agree with you.

While I understand what cloudboy is saying, and I certainly think that he is right, about Johnny Weir, the fact is that many men have the type of build he is talking about yet they are completely masculine with no trace of the feminine whatsoever.

There are countless boxers, martial artists, jockies, swimmers and dancers etc who read totally male while still having a thin, muscular and supple body

I guess it depends on the guy

Right, this could be an endless conversation. Lean, agile, able to do much with one's body : contort, pirouette, bend, hold positions, etc. That physical agility and body type -- is quite versatile. I would also argue that the "training" of dancers and figure skaters differs from other athletes. The aim is for beauty of movement and appearance, wonder of agility and grace. These traits all arguably lean toward the "feminine" while also being socially attractive and acceptable (although some would still hate the idea of "masculine" compromise here.)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy Lean, agile, able to do much with one's body : contort, pirouette, bend, hold positions, etc. That physical agility and body type -- is quite versatile. I would also argue that the "training" of dancers and figure skaters differs from other athletes. The aim is for beauty of movement and appearance, wonder of agility and grace. These traits all arguably lean toward the "feminine" while also being socially attractive and acceptable (although some would still hate the idea of "masculine" compromise here.)

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ORIGINAL: OttersSwim


if people want positive images of a gender bending, dead sexy Diva, ya' just have ta'  perv ME!  [;)]

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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

Yup, I'm with Queen Rah [sm=highfive.gif], so if the OP has a question to Mistresses, then ask away.

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Most straight lifestyle Dommes don't find androgyny or crossdressing attractive: see multiple threads on how we're not interested in men who are most interested in their own fetishes.

these three things don't go together, you're comparing apples with kiwis and then bananas... *heh* ... androgyny rarely has much to do with crossdressing and then the two don't always go with men most interested in their own fetishes.. and in the end, aren't most people, MOST interested in their own stuff?  nothing wrong with that.. its putting them above a potential dominant's fetishes that the trouble comes...

Weir isn't attractive, and his icedancing isn't hot.

He is to some, including me and frankly my tastes in men usually run to big burly bald guys in uniform.. but hey.. I still like him.. and he's not an ice dancer, he's actually a figure skating and he's quite good.. he was in the Olympics ya know...

Go rent 'Slap Shot' to see what is attractive to women in Olympic Winter sports: Paul Newman, and Michael Ontkean stripping on ice [best sports movie ever, and written by a woman!].

Why does a movie, one movie, tell you what is attractive to women in OWS?  ... I just don't get how one movie speaks for all women...

So sure, gay guys can be hot [Rupert Everett in 'An Ideal Husband' in the bathhouse comes to mind], and we tend to LOVE gay porn [two hot guys, one or both being penetrated? sweet!] but Weir? Eww!

your mileage may vary