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PrincessDonna -> RE: Ladies, how about using sexuality for control, not necessarily for sex? (2/21/2010 8:48:15 PM)

I dont have sex with a sub until we are in a actual relationship that I feel may last,no exceptions! And I dont walk around trying to be sexual to control a sub,as a matter of fact I may not even be there WHEN they serve! To each there own




naiveguy -> RE: Ladies, how about using sexuality for control, not necessarily for sex? (2/21/2010 8:50:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: AAkasha



There are a lot of terms and definitions in this loaded topic.  Sex, sexual intercourse, sexual release, sensuality, sensual power - really, all (and more) could fall under the umbrella of "sexuality" to people.

For me, I don't use sexual intercourse as a carrot. I don't use *my body* as a reward system for men I am not emotionally intimate with already. I do use sexuality and sensuality as motivators to get a man to surrender to me.  Men are sexual, sensually responsive creatures and I do whatever it takes to get him to that point that he will do things that are not comfortable for him.  While I find that *ego* is often a good motivator to get a man to his knees, sometimes sensuality is more effective.

The landmine here is whether or not that becomes "all" he is about. If he's a one-trick pony, he's of no use to me.  If he can't understand how sensuality and power work on a higher level for me, beyond simple orgasms or his erection, we won't get far.  He needs to understand that sexual energy is just a small piece of the puzzle. 

I also gravitate toward men whose sexuality is more drawn to pleasing a woman rather than pleasing himself, AND is not limited to what he's eroticized as a woman's sexual pleasure.  IE, I want a man who wants me sexually satisfied *at all costs* and despite his own sexual satisfaction, but he's not merely obsessed with one sexual act - ie, "worshipping my pussy" or "licking my ass" or "going down on me for hours" -- he has to have a broader, more selfless view of what my *sexual contentedness* looks like.  And know that as a woman, my sexuality is much more complicated than an orgasm, which I can easily achieve thanks to my vibrator minus the baggage if he's got a huge ideal in his head about what my sexuality should look like. He's got to be more driven to understand how to please me on a sexually emotional level, which can be (and should be, for me) very demanding, often degrading and ultimately selfless.


Akasha



Thank you Madam for your nice reply :) I understand the emotional needs of a relationship too, and the need of a sub to be selfless.

Madam, I am curious about your talking of ego to bring a man to his knees. Can you explain it a little bit more?




naiveguy -> RE: Ladies, how about using sexuality for control, not necessarily for sex? (2/21/2010 8:59:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex


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ORIGINAL: naiveguy
I wonder what you think about using your sexuality for control only, and not have sex?


Jesus, dude, I think they figured that one out around the time we men got our first boner.


And we have been trying to talk them out of it ever since.


Why would you want to talk them out of it :)




naiveguy -> RE: Ladies, how about using sexuality for control, not necessarily for sex? (2/21/2010 9:04:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PrincessDonna

I dont have sex with a sub until we are in a actual relationship that I feel may last,no exceptions! And I dont walk around trying to be sexual to control a sub,as a matter of fact I may not even be there WHEN they serve! To each there own


Hi, thanks for your reply. *Nods at what you say* Also, it's not alien to me. But it gets reinforced when a dominant woman says it again. I will remember it better :)




naiveguy -> RE: Ladies, how about using sexuality for control, not necessarily for sex? (2/21/2010 9:06:24 PM)

Ok, excuse my list of replies. I wanted to reply to each post.

In conclusion. I want to say that no matter what, sex is a great motivator for men. It is selfish and short-term , but it is how nature made men. But women want more of emotions, love, loyalty - they want men to be driven by these things, and sex comes later, or as a part. It's the same in vanilla relationships too. Therefore, it's a job for men, to work towards being more emotional, and wholesome for women. And honestly, I find love and emotions more heart-warming, despite being a man. But I can't help being curious about sex. I blame mother nature :)

Thank you very much again Ladies.




LadyPact -> RE: Ladies, how about using sexuality for control, not necessarily for sex? (2/21/2010 9:12:32 PM)

From a journal entry.  Perhaps it fits here.

I have come to the understanding that, when it comes to S/m play, I can, and most absolutely will be a flirt.  Not by intention or design.  It is an almost automatic response.  A lure to pull someone into My web so that I can have My sadistic way with them.  I am most definitely the spider.  Then I become the dragon. 




LadyDelilahDeb -> RE: Ladies, how about using sexuality for control, not necessarily for sex? (2/21/2010 9:32:24 PM)

There's more than one profile "male sub" profile here on CM that uses the nickname "tongueslave" or something along those lines. And, you know, I stop reading right there! Because whether or not he might be attracted to me, I'm not interested in a talented tongue any more than I am a stiff appendage. If I don't enjoy the whole person, I'm not likely to enjoy little tiny bits of that person.

Control using my sexuality? Bah. I control because I control. My choices, my moods, my fun, my orgasms. Even the ones I choose that my subs shall have.

Lady Delilah Deb




LadyNTrainer -> RE: Ladies, how about using sexuality for control, not necessarily for sex? (2/21/2010 10:02:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: naiveguy
Madam, I hear you. I am not demanding any thing from dommes, that they should do this or that. I am simply asking what they think about being sexual in their domination, even if it's with their eye-candy sub of choice.


I think that's the bee's knees.  Though to me, eye candy matters less than a good relationship and emotional intimacy.




Wheldrake -> RE: Ladies, how about using sexuality for control, not necessarily for sex? (2/21/2010 10:22:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer

I pretty much said it all over here, but I'll copy over the salient points.  If a man is dominant, his power supposedly comes from what he does, or is capable of doing. He is strong, active, competent, a responsible leader and caretaker. If a woman is dominant, her power supposedly comes from what she wears and what her body looks like. She's hot and she dresses in uncomfortable clothing that shows off her sexual desirability and makes her a sex object.


This sensibility is exactly what annoys me about the vast majority of femdom porn (at least that I've seen). A beautiful woman in sexy fetish clothing isn't convincing as a dominant unless she also comes with a sense of gravitas and with leadership qualities like the ones you mentioned. And if those things are in place, it doesn't really matter what she looks like or what she's wearing - she'll come across as powerful, worthy of obedience, and pretty damn irresistible to male submissives who are wired like I am.




MsStarlett -> RE: Ladies, how about using sexuality for control, not necessarily for sex? (2/22/2010 3:38:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sighdream
Women have been doing it since the before the dawn of recorded history.


^ The best summation I've heard in a long time. ^

We each bring our own views and experiences to the table.  I personally have been using my ability to be cute and/or charming to control (manipulate) the people around me since I was a small child.  My father used  to tell the story about how I was sitting in my high chair at a big family Thanksgiving dinner and acting up.  When my father called me down, I leaned over, gave him my biggest eyed 'sweetness' look and said "I love you, Daddy."  He didn't have a come back for that one.

Not having much of a frame of reference about how other Dommes scene with their boys in real life - as opposed to BDSM porn which I take with a grain of salt as it is almost ALL produced to tantalize males - I do not know if my 'style' is odd or not.  I enjoy tormenting boys.  Sexual tease and denial is a strong tool for torment, and most likely the first one we learned. 






AAkasha -> RE: Ladies, how about using sexuality for control, not necessarily for sex? (2/22/2010 11:48:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: naiveguy


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ORIGINAL: AAkasha



There are a lot of terms and definitions in this loaded topic.  Sex, sexual intercourse, sexual release, sensuality, sensual power - really, all (and more) could fall under the umbrella of "sexuality" to people.

For me, I don't use sexual intercourse as a carrot. I don't use *my body* as a reward system for men I am not emotionally intimate with already. I do use sexuality and sensuality as motivators to get a man to surrender to me.  Men are sexual, sensually responsive creatures and I do whatever it takes to get him to that point that he will do things that are not comfortable for him.  While I find that *ego* is often a good motivator to get a man to his knees, sometimes sensuality is more effective.

The landmine here is whether or not that becomes "all" he is about. If he's a one-trick pony, he's of no use to me.  If he can't understand how sensuality and power work on a higher level for me, beyond simple orgasms or his erection, we won't get far.  He needs to understand that sexual energy is just a small piece of the puzzle. 

I also gravitate toward men whose sexuality is more drawn to pleasing a woman rather than pleasing himself, AND is not limited to what he's eroticized as a woman's sexual pleasure.  IE, I want a man who wants me sexually satisfied *at all costs* and despite his own sexual satisfaction, but he's not merely obsessed with one sexual act - ie, "worshipping my pussy" or "licking my ass" or "going down on me for hours" -- he has to have a broader, more selfless view of what my *sexual contentedness* looks like.  And know that as a woman, my sexuality is much more complicated than an orgasm, which I can easily achieve thanks to my vibrator minus the baggage if he's got a huge ideal in his head about what my sexuality should look like. He's got to be more driven to understand how to please me on a sexually emotional level, which can be (and should be, for me) very demanding, often degrading and ultimately selfless.


Akasha



Thank you Madam for your nice reply :) I understand the emotional needs of a relationship too, and the need of a sub to be selfless.

Madam, I am curious about your talking of ego to bring a man to his knees. Can you explain it a little bit more?


The male ego is an interesting thing. I think many men, deep down, find a sense of pride in pleasing.  I'm not sure of all the psychological how's and why's of the wiring, but I know that men often feel strong, powerful, chivalrous when they act in a manner that is pleasing to their lady, or when they accomplish a task that requires strength and bravery.  Call it slaying dragons if you want to be mythical.  Call it "fighting the schoolyard bully for making little Sally Johnson cry when he had a crush on her in the third grade."  Call it playing sports that cause physical pain, but with a little edge, because he knows his lady is watching from the stands. 

The act of enduring a little pain, a little discomfort, all in the aim of defending, pleasing or catching the eye of a lady is an age-old male tradition.  It's good for his ego.  While telling a man, "It makes me *wet* when you do that," can certainly motivate him sexually, many men are ego-driven to please, and can be just as motivated by being told, with a tear in her eye, "What you did was brave and wonderful. It makes me feel cherished when you endure pain for my comfort or to defend my honor."

Akasha




Wickad -> RE: Ladies, how about using sexuality for control, not necessarily for sex? (2/22/2010 12:34:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: naiveguy

Ok, excuse my list of replies. I wanted to reply to each post.

In conclusion. I want to say that no matter what, sex is a great motivator for men. It is selfish and short-term , but it is how nature made men. But women want more of emotions, love, loyalty - they want men to be driven by these things, and sex comes later, or as a part. It's the same in vanilla relationships too. Therefore, it's a job for men, to work towards being more emotional, and wholesome for women. And honestly, I find love and emotions more heart-warming, despite being a man. But I can't help being curious about sex. I blame mother nature :)

Thank you very much again Ladies.



Wow!!

This leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. Smacks of sexism and entitlement.

Wickad




Politesub53 -> RE: Ladies, how about using sexuality for control, not necessarily for sex? (2/22/2010 4:32:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: naiveguy

Ok, excuse my list of replies. I wanted to reply to each post.

In conclusion. I want to say that no matter what, sex is a great motivator for men. It is selfish and short-term , but it is how nature made men. But women want more of emotions, love, loyalty - they want men to be driven by these things, and sex comes later, or as a part. It's the same in vanilla relationships too. Therefore, it's a job for men, to work towards being more emotional, and wholesome for women. And honestly, I find love and emotions more heart-warming, despite being a man. But I can't help being curious about sex. I blame mother nature :)

Thank you very much again Ladies.


This is a bit of a generalisation. For me the offer of sex isnt as motivating as being in love with someone. Would I spend all day digging her garden over because I love her, or because I might get laid. Go figure.




Lockit -> RE: Ladies, how about using sexuality for control, not necessarily for sex? (2/22/2010 6:11:55 PM)

Damn that pond! lol




naiveguy -> RE: Ladies, how about using sexuality for control, not necessarily for sex? (2/26/2010 9:34:13 AM)

Sorry, I certainly didn't mean it to be sexist. I called men selfish and women more loving. I am not saying at all that women should be chaste and all, if you're thinking along those lines.




GloriousMorning -> RE: Ladies, how about using sexuality for control, not necessarily for sex? (2/26/2010 10:21:16 AM)

Yes I've done it, yes I enjoy it. I love teasing a man, but I also believe in being honest if I have no intent on having sex with him. I find excitement in the point between wanting and having. The sexual energy created in desire can be such a strong force, it almost seems a shame in some instances to end it by having sex. Do they still lust after me? Yes. Do I use that as a means to manipulate and control them when we play? Yes.

I've also found the most delightful and consistent submissive men I have been involved with, to be the ones I have not had sex with. The dynamics vary greatly between those I have and have not been sexually involved with, even if our dynamics have been rather similarly sexual in nature, the outcomes of wanting vs having, do not resemble one another.





TNstepsout -> RE: Ladies, how about using sexuality for control, not necessarily for sex? (2/26/2010 7:36:50 PM)

ummmmm I don't understand the question.   Isn't that what it's for?




Wickad -> RE: Ladies, how about using sexuality for control, not necessarily for sex? (2/26/2010 11:59:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: naiveguy

Sorry, I certainly didn't mean it to be sexist. I called men selfish and women more loving. I am not saying at all that women should be chaste and all, if you're thinking along those lines.


Greetings,

I'm certain you didn't mean for your comment to be sexist and that in and of itself is the saddest part. You, and a great many others, can't seem to get past the idea that men have this 'HUGE' sex drive that they just can't control. It wasn't until the Victorian era that this concept came about. Prior to this it was women who were seen as not being able to control their voracious appetites. In fact, this was one of the reasons for men's control of women (ie: men were more logical and not as driven by their baser biology (being closer to God and all) and thus were better able to control women).

I find it incredibly sexist to ascribe lust and the inability to control said lust to only one gender. Further, I also find it sexist to assume that women are more nurturing than men and call that 'natural'. The very idea that control of a man would be served by arousing him so as to decrease his ability to think for himself is insulting to both men and women.

Finally, I have always found it strange that male Dominant's don't use teasing and long term denial of their female submissive partners as a means of control. Do you see how really silly that sounds?

Men, just like women, have the ability and the responsibility to control their own bodies and sexual appetites. I refuse to subscribe to the idea that either gender is not responsible for their own actions.

Wickad




naiveguy -> RE: Ladies, how about using sexuality for control, not necessarily for sex? (2/27/2010 9:56:50 AM)

Hi,

Thanks for the empathetic reply. I learn something new every day!

Have a nice day.




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