Termyn8or
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"Some would say that because I'm an agnostic/aetheist, that I'm incapable of having either"
You have no idea just how diametrically opposed I am to that sentiment.
First of all I believe that God is something that noone can fathom, and is actually the whole universe, or possibly all universes if there are others. As such there is no gender, and little if any commnication to it's inhabitants. If there is it comes on a purely subconcious or superconcious level, not in any directly stated tenets or anything of the sort. As such I believe that true morality and ethics are both self imposed, for within my personal theory there is no real right and wrong. Revenge can be a tool of justice, a dirty business deal can set the books straight and so forth. It happens.
This is not something you do every day. We are all here and it is best that we cooperate, and that is possibly the true basis of either concept. That when we gain the concept(s) what really happened is that we learned to look at things objectively, and fully, avoiding the rush to judgement.
And as they say, "judge not lest ye be judged thyself" ? Yes of course. But as we judge others, we are also being judged by others. In other words, even if these were words of wisdom, inspired or not, they don't actually come out and say not to judge anyone. My interpretation is that go ahead, but look in the mirror once in a while.
And then sometimes you do, and you forgive your transgressors, I am fine with that, but not with someone else doing that. Sometimes someone will do me wrong but I might cut them some slack, because I may have done something similar in the past and either got away with it or was actually forgiven.
Forgiveness from a victim is powerful stuff, and can make a positive change. That has happened to me and I try to pay forward when possible. It depends on the circumstances of course.
I could give a bunch of exmples but don't want to type all night. Suffice it to say that I haven't hurt anyone for a long time, and I'd like to keep it that way. Because I can usually put myself figuratively in someone else's shoes, I simply do unto others as I would have them do to me. No religion with it's threat of fire and brimstone nor threat of jail and torture will change me. This is alot more powerful.
Why ? Because amidst all the crap going on in the world, in my sphere of existence there is relative peace. Despite the fact I threw the kid today out for telling me something, contradicting me on something I know about. And this pertained to the handling of my personal posessions. I don't consider that a lack of peace, it was about him screwing up a PC in my house which is sometimes used for business. I didn't even really throw him out per se but he left. That means nothing. I raised my voice. Was I angry ? Not really, I didn't raise my voice until the kid explained how he knows everything. It was time. He'll be back tomorrow when he smells that grill fired up. It's not like I excommunicated him or anything.
In other words, sometimes strong words are proper, sometimes going over the line is proper and sometimes even war is proper.
T
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