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popeye1250 -> RE: Newt seems to hate kids, especially poor kids. (12/2/2011 1:00:54 AM)

Hates kids, likes illegal aliens, voted for "Nafta",.....you sure this guy isn't a Democrat?




thishereboi -> RE: Newt seems to hate kids, especially poor kids. (12/2/2011 3:44:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BanthaSamantha

For one, Gingrich's position is built upon particularly invidious stereotypes.

Secondly, his proposal here is particularly invasive and departs drastically from mainstream conservative thought. He's basically saying that the parents of poor children are bad parents, and that the government should step in to make policies that teach these kids what a good parent would have taught them. In other words: if parents aren't going to teach their kids to be hard workers, the government will do it.


That does sound like what they are saying. I think that's similar to when they pass laws like the one banning happy meals or certain foods in school cafeterias. If the parents aren't going to teach their kids to eat right, the government will do it. I always thought it was more of a liberal concept but I guess in this case it isn't.




gungadin09 -> RE: Newt seems to hate kids, especially poor kids. (12/2/2011 4:27:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

According to Newt, child labor laws are stupid.  Furthermore, it doesn't matter, because poor kids don't work unless it is illegal:

DES MOINES, Iowa - After saying recently that child labor laws are "truly stupid," Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich on Thursday told an Iowa audience that children in poor neighborhoods have "no habits of working" nor getting paid for their endeavors "unless it's illegal."

Well, of course. The child labor laws prevent any child from earning money unless it is illegal.

"Really poor children in really poor neighborhoods have no habits of working and have nobody around them who works," the former House speaker said at a campaign event at the Nationwide Insurance offices. "So they literally have no habit of showing up on Monday. They have no habit of staying all day. They have no habit of 'I do this and you give me cash,' unless it's illegal."

What children that age are supposed to be doing with their time is going to school. Unless they aren't doing THAT, they do have a habit of showing up on Monday, a habit of staying all day, and a habit of doing things they don't want to. It's just that they aren't getting paid for it. Kids "job" is school. If they're unmotivated, THAT'S where the focus should be- keeping them motivated at school. That's how kids are going to break the cycle of poverty, not by getting a job.

Gingrich lately has been unspooling an urban policy, beginning with his comments at Harvard University last month when he discussed child labor laws. "It is tragic what we do in the poorest neighborhoods," Gingrich said then, "entrapping children in, first of all, child laws, which are truly stupid." Children in poor neighborhoods, he said, should be allowed to serve as janitors in their schools to earn money and develop a connection to the school.

Encouraging poor young children to work as janitors will only entrap them further. They will spend less time studying and consequently will become adults who are unfit for any other kind of work. Which, i suppose, is his plan for them already.


Personally, i think focusing on education, or even trade schools, is a much better solution. Expecting kids to break the cycle of poverty by working as part time janitors at their school is just daft.

pam




calamitysandra -> RE: Newt seems to hate kids, especially poor kids. (12/2/2011 5:14:10 AM)

Pam summed it up wonderfully.

It's the education, stupid!




ArizonaBossMan -> RE: Newt seems to hate kids, especially poor kids. (12/2/2011 5:24:29 AM)

Working at ANYTHING is a solution. We see the effects of modern education on students now. I know; I have to deal with them. Manners? Ability to show up on time, work well with others? Please. Many are self absorbed nit wits.

Now is this also hijacking a thread? Geezus. Ban me then.





rulemylife -> RE: Newt seems to hate kids, especially poor kids. (12/2/2011 6:00:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ArizonaBossMan

adam carolla is my new fucking ass douche hero. He's talking to you leftists... right at you. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/adam-carolla-breaks-down-occupy-movement-fking-self-entitled-monsters/#ooid=s4a2UzMzpXPJ0udzH1lN5S-7jxLaI_Sw


What the fuck does the Occupy movement have to do with ths thread?




rulemylife -> RE: Newt seems to hate kids, especially poor kids. (12/2/2011 6:13:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Biggest problem with his statements are they are basically incorrect. He says "pay them as early as is reasonable and practical." Well, the laws have decided that 14 is reasonable and able. At that age, children are able to get working papers and get a part time job. Granted, few places are going to hire them, but they are able to work.



Uhhh......what the hell are working papers?

Is that some local NJ thing?




gungadin09 -> RE: Newt seems to hate kids, especially poor kids. (12/2/2011 6:17:37 AM)

A work permit?  In California, you can get one at age 16.  Basically, it means you can legally work, but until you're 18 there's still a lot of restrictions on the hours and kind of work you're allowed to do.

pam




LillyBoPeep -> RE: Newt seems to hate kids, especially poor kids. (12/2/2011 6:30:38 AM)

Okay weirdly enough, ABM kinda has a point. There are some things, depending on the school you go to - like schools with programs where "everyone wins," where some thinngs could be learned better in a work environnnment that's more attuned to reality. Everyone DOESN'T win in the real world.

In KS you could work when you were 14, and some younger kids had paper routes.

Also, like pam said, there are restrictions to avoid taking time away from school. Ultimately, education of SOME kind is the real means of changing trajectory. I don't think working is a bad thing at a certain age. I don't think having kids be janitors is a good idea - where will those janitors get jobs, then? And this idea that poorchildren have no one around who works, that's ridiculous.




gungadin09 -> RE: Newt seems to hate kids, especially poor kids. (12/2/2011 6:32:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ArizonaBossMan
Working at ANYTHING is a solution.


This may be the one and only time i've ever agreed with you.  But yes, working at something is better than working at nothing.  It's just, i think that something should be school (or at least trade school.)

pam




ArizonaBossMan -> RE: Newt seems to hate kids, especially poor kids. (12/2/2011 6:34:12 AM)

You just have to be brave enough to open yourself to new ideas... like freedom, like people get to keep more of what they earn, that taxing people to death is WRONG. You know, common sense things. Our modern leftists were never taught that. The schools never allow them to fail. They can fail with ME. I am often the first adult that has ever told them no. The good students, oh they love me. Instinctively young people know the leftist pablum is stupid and nonsensical. So yes I do have hope for the future.

This whole thing about kids as janitors is just another example of the lefties making stuff up. See, today who will fact check them? PMSNBC? Any network? Fox is the only network that dare ask a question.




gungadin09 -> RE: Newt seems to hate kids, especially poor kids. (12/2/2011 6:37:04 AM)

Damn, ABM. Take out that crap about Fox, and i'll post that on Best of CM.

pam

ETA: Actually, i just did.




rulemylife -> RE: Newt seems to hate kids, especially poor kids. (12/2/2011 6:43:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: gungadin09

A work permit?  In California, you can get one at age 16.  Basically, it means you can legally work, but until you're 18 there's still a lot of restrictions on the hours and kind of work you're allowed to do.

pam



I honestly never heard of it, and I've lived in a number of different states across the country.

I realize there are child labor laws and restrictions associated with them but I didn't know there were states that actually required work permits for underage workers.




searching4mysir -> RE: Newt seems to hate kids, especially poor kids. (12/2/2011 6:46:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: gungadin09

A work permit?  In California, you can get one at age 16.  Basically, it means you can legally work, but until you're 18 there's still a lot of restrictions on the hours and kind of work you're allowed to do.

pam



I honestly never heard of it, and I've lived in a number of different states across the country.

I realize there are child labor laws and restrictions associated with them but I didn't know there were states that actually required work permits for underage workers.


I'm a child of the 80s and needed one in NJ when I was growing up. You didn't need them to babysit or do lawns or when papers were delivered by kids on bikes, but to work retail or food, etc. you did.




gungadin09 -> RE: Newt seems to hate kids, especially poor kids. (12/2/2011 6:48:34 AM)

Yeah, it really sucks to be a senior in high school and still need special "papers" to get a job.

pam




rulemylife -> RE: Newt seems to hate kids, especially poor kids. (12/2/2011 7:03:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ArizonaBossMan

You just have to be brave enough to open yourself to new ideas... like freedom, like people get to keep more of what they earn, that taxing people to death is WRONG. You know, common sense things. Our modern leftists were never taught that.


So if we eliminate all taxes then who pays for the services we use?

Will we just make it voluntary?

We already have a crumbling infrastructure.

Let's make it worse.

Or maybe you are thinking of a "pay as go plan".

How is that any different than taxes?






Iamsemisweet -> RE: Newt seems to hate kids, especially poor kids. (12/2/2011 7:22:00 AM)

I think kids having a paying job as soon as they are able is not the great thing some posters think it is. And I wouldn't want ABM anywhere near my kids with his attitude. He seems very hostile to the kids he is supposed to be teaching and their parents, unless they conform with his narrow minded views.
I had a paper route when I was 14, waited tables in high school, worked at a donut shop starting at 4 in the morning, before school. Looking back, I think my parents were irresponsible for letting me do that. I would have been better off, long term, concentrating on school, getting better grades, and maybe participating in sports or other activities. Those things would have prepared me for college and life better than being a waitress at a donut shop.
Which is why my kids did not get jobs in high school and instead participated in chorus, drama, soccer and wrestling. Oddly, they seem none the worse for not having to work some minimum wage crap job. They are both hard workers and quite ambitious. I don't think their attitude towards life or work would have somehow been better because they shoveled sidewalks when they were young.
Not to mention that jobs for kids are simply not that available anymore. Paper routes are usually done by car, not bike. People who can afford to get their lawn mowed hire a gardener, not a teenager.




HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Newt seems to hate kids, especially poor kids. (12/2/2011 7:39:32 AM)

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Instinctively young people know the leftist pablum is stupid and nonsensical.
Then why are the majority of young people leftists?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/118285/Democrats-Best-Among-Generation-Baby-Boomers.aspx

I think these next two are the same survey with data analyzed differently, but I'm not sure
         http://www.gallup.com/poll/118528/GOP-Losses-Span-Nearly-Demographic-Groups.aspx
         http://www.gallup.com/poll/118285/Democrats-Best-Among-Generation-Baby-Boomers.aspx

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1018/democrats-post-gains-in-affiliation-across-age-cohorts

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/813/gen-dems

http://www.fontcraft.com/azimuth/


Maybe because you're making stuff up?




tazzygirl -> RE: Newt seems to hate kids, especially poor kids. (12/2/2011 7:50:41 AM)

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Instinctively young people know the leftist pablum is stupid and nonsensical


No child left behind was the brain child of..... drum roll please....No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 ... GW Bush. To say the left is the sole problem is simply stupid.




tazzygirl -> RE: Newt seems to hate kids, especially poor kids. (12/2/2011 7:52:02 AM)

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Not to mention that jobs for kids are simply not that available anymore. Paper routes are usually done by car, not bike. People who can afford to get their lawn mowed hire a gardener, not a teenager.


Exactly




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