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RE: So you are a Master! - 11/2/2013 8:42:12 PM

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I'm one who says don't help those who seem to be complete morons online. I would rather see them for who they are. I don't want to give them those buzzwords or actions online. Let them learn through the hard knocks of life. If they have no life experiences then it tells me I'm not interested in them anyway.

Then again, I'm this way with anyone in life be it at work, friends, etc....I hate having to teach people life skills that they should already know by the time they are 40! Otherwise I start wondering if you grew up under a rock or completely sheltered behind your computer screen your entire life.

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RE: So you are a Master! - 11/3/2013 12:09:07 AM

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The problem is they want the title and privileges without the responsiblities.

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RE: So you are a Master! - 11/3/2013 5:00:16 AM

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With there slave in tow of course.

They should know the proper usage of their and there.

Well, yanno, master is as ubiquitous a name as cocksucker in the company jargon.

Everyone starts somewhere.

Rage against the machine? Prolly shouldnt have it.
Balance a checkbook? Prolly should have it.
A habitual conviction record? Prolly shouldnt have it.
A house (some place of your own that you pay for), job, responsibility, some personableness and personality. Prolly should have it.

Ugh, K.....to write the complete works, is a daunting task, glad I am e pluribus unum.

Oh. And the proper use of your. And You're Also, to And too.

Unless, when you say "to funny" you are Actually on a quest to FIND funny. In that case, it's appropriate.

If you're gonna get testy about grammar, you might want to look at your punctuation. Solo digo.

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RE: So you are a Master! - 11/3/2013 9:51:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: FrankAr

Greetings,

Maybe I am old fashioned but by my standards the Master has to be able to have enough money coming in to survive for two people. If you can't survive on your own wage for two people then do not fucken get a slave. I mean if the Master has the slave working and then the money goes into a different account and they use this for rainy days...like a holiday once a year or the account is for her back up in case he dies, then that is logical.

If the Master gets a slave so that he gets ahead in life then he is fucken nuts. The Master should get a slave as a bonus to compliment his life, not as a bonus money windfall. He should be able to guide the slave by his way of life, as a beacon of maturity. Some of the topics that have been discussed on the boards by new Masters, I really think they go into it with their dicks and they think it is a money windfall, how fucken stupid are they.

I wonder if the society is going down a path that it is easier to go online and get answers then to read a book and go online and spend hours of sifting through pages on the net for some inspiration. A Master that would take the effort would be a magnet for slaves, because then they can understand that the Master does have the time and inclination of maturity and knowledge behind them to become their slave.

Just my two cents worth. Be well.

Frank Ar.

Hi, Frank. How are you? Don't see you around as much as I once did.

One thing I like about you Gorean folks. You believe in the power of books regarding education. Have to tip My hat to you for that.

As to the rest, I don't know if financial status should necessarily be a focal point. Sure, it's nice if you have that, but in this day and age, when so many are a part of a two income (or more) household, I don't know if I'd say with any affinity that a single income structure applies. For example, KoM's girls work outside of the home. I don't see that as making him 'less' of a Master.

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RE: So you are a Master! - 11/3/2013 10:12:47 AM

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And let's use some common sense here too.

I own two businesses and make more than he does.

Could we live on what he makes? Probably. But, it wouldn't be a very comfortable existence. SoCal is expensive.

My income means that we get to live comfortably. I mean, hell, the median home price in San Diego is over $400k.

I'll also add that I'm a person that hates being a house wife and prefers to work.

It doesn't make him any less of a Master.

One of the things I found interesting about his comment though...traditionally slaves were used to support and make their owners money. So, it's interesting that he finds the idea of a slave willing to support their Master as repugnant.

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RE: So you are a Master! - 11/3/2013 1:57:30 PM

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Personally I think they should just have basic functioning skills, though even then there are some cases the are exceptions for life-isn't-perfect:

Abilities and experiences in...

Cooking for oneself
Balancing a budget
Doing one's taxes
Paying one's own way and ideally moving out of the parents' home before age 19
Speak the same language as their slave or at least close enough to assure understand each other

I'm blanking beyond that at the moment.

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RE: So you are a Master! - 11/3/2013 2:00:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: FrankAr

Greetings,

Maybe I am old fashioned but by my standards the Master has to be able to have enough money coming in to survive for two people. If you can't survive on your own wage for two people then do not fucken get a slave. I mean if the Master has the slave working and then the money goes into a different account and they use this for rainy days...like a holiday once a year or the account is for her back up in case he dies, then that is logical.

If the Master gets a slave so that he gets ahead in life then he is fucken nuts. The Master should get a slave as a bonus to compliment his life, not as a bonus money windfall. He should be able to guide the slave by his way of life, as a beacon of maturity. Some of the topics that have been discussed on the boards by new Masters, I really think they go into it with their dicks and they think it is a money windfall, how fucken stupid are they.

I wonder if the society is going down a path that it is easier to go online and get answers then to read a book and go online and spend hours of sifting through pages on the net for some inspiration. A Master that would take the effort would be a magnet for slaves, because then they can understand that the Master does have the time and inclination of maturity and knowledge behind them to become their slave.

Just my two cents worth. Be well.

Frank Ar.

Personally, I have to disagree. I'm not anyone's meal ticket and don't expect anyone else to be mine. To me, slave /= living off my money.

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RE: So you are a Master! - 11/3/2013 6:42:18 PM

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Ahem. I can walk my talk. That is all.

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RE: So you are a Master! - 11/3/2013 7:33:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: RumpusParable

Paying one's own way and ideally moving out of the parents' home before age 19

I disagree. If staying home allows one to finish school and then be able to get a job that pays above minimum wage, I think that's the smarter move.

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RE: So you are a Master! - 11/5/2013 2:16:08 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

As to the rest, I don't know if financial status should necessarily be a focal point. Sure, it's nice if you have that, but in this day and age, when so many are a part of a two income (or more) household, I don't know if I'd say with any affinity that a single income structure applies. For example, KoM's girls work outside of the home. I don't see that as making him 'less' of a Master.
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Greetings LadyPact,

I mean with the financially side of life, what female or male slave would be under the household of the Master that can't even balance his own books. Would you ? A lot of relationships do have 2nd incomes and even one person doing the 2nd job income to get ahead, but that is to get ahead, and not from the bat to have someone come into the relationship to get the Master ahead in life, that would just be stupid.

I also think of it as being foolish for slaves to seek a third after just getting in touch with a Master. I read a lot of profiles and see sometimes that females are asking for another for the household and yet they have only just started with the Master and has yet to move in with him. Is this another way for the man to get free threesomes ?

As for KoM, from the way of his writings, as far as I can read them he takes life very seriously when matters concern his household. So when you inform me that his slaves work outside the home, I do not have a picture of him sitting at home and swigging beer and alcohol all day waiting for the slaves to come home and make dinner and give him blowjobs...lololol. In the back of my head I see all three going out and busting their guts working and enjoying the fruits of the labour, being able to loosen their money belt every now and then and splurging out. But this is done because they follow the strength of his maturity and wisdom through the knowledge of knowing that he is not lazy and does make more than an effort. Well let us face it, you have to make a damn good effort involving not 1 but 2 under your care He would have to compliment the slaves with hair dresses,. clothing, exercise, and do not start me on the fucken make-up...LOLOLOLOL.

I hope this explanation explains my thoughts on it in a further sense.

Have a great day and be well.

Frank Ar.

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RE: So you are a Master! - 11/5/2013 12:43:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

So you are a Master and you got your slave to prove it!

Small problem.

- You don't know much about punishment in fact you never even punished you dog let alone a human.
- you never done any training before gosh what should I train the slave to do?
- you never really been responsible for anyone before not even babysitting!
- you never did this and that and that and this.. But!

Your a master and you have your slave to prove it!

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Don't you just love it when the person suddenly thinks its cool to be a Master... Well cause it is, is it not? But they just don't have the first clue about it just the same. They come on the boards, trying not to look stupid and ask well... Question that damn you should already know if you gonna be a master. Like really.. You can't count to three and you in grade one? Geeeez where have you been hiding!

So in instead of ranting about those that jump in the pool withou even a thought about knowing how to swim let alone that water is wet and how deep it is! I ask this question!

What tools, skills, abilities, knowledge, character etc etc etc are pretty important to enter into Master 101 class let alone pass the class. Those prerequisites .... What are they... Come now... Let's give some new people some help that they sort of should have a handle on.... BEFORE they strut along singing they are a Master! With there slave in tow of course.

Star says "she belongs to me" and calls me master, so does that make me a "master"? No, because I cannot kill her. I cannot loan or sell her to another man without breaking the bond between us nor can I abuse her and break her arm and send her to her room to heal as best she can since I might decide as the "master" to forgo a visit to the ER fo her.

But her heart belongs to me and her mind and her loyalty. When I accepted her heart and mind and loyalty that meant my heart and mind and loyalty also belonged to her so there is balance in our emotions and thoughts and in our relationship. Outside of this close bond but built upon it, our roles are Dom and submissive and this exists outside of BDSM play and it is natural to us as breathing but it does not define our bond nor does it make me a "master".

She and I enhance our sex lives with BDSM practices and toys and tools that do not define us as master or slave but are physical manifestations of our natural roles and our mutual desire to extend them into our physical relationship. We kiss and hold hands and these are physical manifestations of our bond, that higher level of kinship between two humans.

Masters, they are about themselves and about treating their minions as property and this has defined masters through all of our human history. Modern American masters can be found on the streets of our towns and cities pimping their property, and they do kill and break arms and are abusive to their livestock, using them until they are used up.

I am not a master but now we both know what it takes to be one.

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RE: So you are a Master! - 11/5/2013 12:59:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

Masters, they are about themselves and about treating their minions as property and this has defined masters through all of our human history. Modern American masters can be found on the streets of our towns and cities pimping their property, and they do kill and break arms and are abusive to their livestock, using them until they are used up.

I am not a master but now we both know what it takes to be one.

Hmm.. I think your definition is "unconventional", let's say.

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RE: So you are a Master! - 11/5/2013 1:24:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists
So you are a Master and you got your slave to prove it!

Small problem.

- You don't know much about punishment in fact you never even punished you dog let alone a human.
- you never done any training before gosh what should I train the slave to do?
- you never really been responsible for anyone before not even babysitting!
- you never did this and that and that and this.. But!

In other words, exactly what happened to me. Yup, about all I had was the shared intent on our two lips and a lot more questions than answers. So here's what I'd say to the younger version of me.

A) You won't find any answers here. Look around you. These people are not building what you want to build. You're going to need to be your own architect for your own dreams. The good news is that you have experience doing that. What you WILL find here (and elsewhere) is exposure to ideas... some of which may prove fruitful.

B) There isn't any one true way... no matter who tries to tell you there is. In the end, authority is about wielding power. The only "right" way to do it is to wield power. That's also the only wrong way. Any sentence which starts out with a role label can be safely ignored. "True doms" do whatever the hell they want to. They certainly do not submit to the random opinions of faceless internet strangers.

C) There's no reason that you can't approach all of this from a perfectly pragmatic and well grounded position of leadership. The kinksters did not invent "authority" and frankly know little about it.

D) Don't do stupid shit. If you don't have any particular need to train your slave then don't. If you don't want to dick around with punishments then don't. Don't let people with virtually zero experience successfully building teams and wielding influence/authority convince you that stupid shit makes sense because it's "BDSM".

E) Despite what everyone tells you, you DO need to be nice to the mods here on collarme or they can yank your mastercard just like that *snaps fingers*. It's taken me years of diligent efforts (read that as endless whining) to get mine back.

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RE: So you are a Master! - 11/8/2013 8:13:57 AM

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I'll just add that anyone who goes around punishing dogs isn't someone you should be with. A dog can't connect what's happening now to what happened four hours ago.

Hell, I'd go further and say that anyone who does that should have the dog removed from them and barred from every owning another animal.

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RE: So you are a Master! - 11/8/2013 8:22:08 AM

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I'll just add that anyone who goes around punishing dogs isn't someone you should be with. A dog can't connect what's happening now to what happened four hours ago.

Hell, I'd go further and say that anyone who does that should have the dog removed from them and barred from every owning another animal.

And should also have their testicles torn off and shoved down their throats.
Just sayin'.

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RE: So you are a Master! - 11/8/2013 8:26:37 AM

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This is why I am just a kinkster on the other site. I'm not interested in "owning" another person nor micromanaging someone else's life. A partner. Yes that is what I seek.

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RE: So you are a Master! - 11/8/2013 8:28:01 AM

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
I'll just add that anyone who goes around punishing dogs isn't someone you should be with. A dog can't connect what's happening now to what happened four hours ago.

*chuckles* That all depends on how well the punishment was done. My favorite one I've ever heard came from my brother. He was visiting a friend's house who had a pretty large dog who liked to get exuberant at the front door. So my brother pushed the dog down on it's side and nipped it's shoulder/neck and then held it there a second. I thought it was a brilliant example of communicating to a dog in dog-ese and it worked quite well.

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RE: So you are a Master! - 11/8/2013 8:31:57 AM

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Oh and to be sure I have my own money. That I make in my own business. I do not have my hand out to anyone.

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RE: So you are a Master! - 11/8/2013 11:54:48 AM

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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

I'll just add that anyone who goes around punishing dogs isn't someone you should be with. A dog can't connect what's happening now to what happened four hours ago.

Hell, I'd go further and say that anyone who does that should have the dog removed from them and barred from every owning another animal.

And should also have their testicles torn off and shoved down their throats.
Just sayin'.

Or the testicles fed to the dog?

I agree with Des on this. I'm not sure what was meant by saying, 'he's never even punished his dog'

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RE: So you are a Master! - 11/8/2013 12:34:04 PM

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Enforce it? Me. Hell no! What's that line about good men doing nothing.... Kinda applies don't you think? Hell on this board.... An idiot gets tarred and feqthered pretty damn quick.... At the same time... I seen some great patience and teaching being given to one one wanting it. So enforce... I think we just keep trying to do we is happening... Call shit when it's there.... And give that kindness to share when deserving. No need for the police.... I am very happy we the mob just doing what the mob does over all..... But I do think individuals should hid in the mob either. You definitely don't! I might not agree with what yous say... Sometimes I might thing its absolute horse shit! But damn... I have tremendous respect that you say it! You stand up and make sure your counted........ I respect that! A lot

I agree that we not looking to teach the talk without the walk. But.... I am also thinking.... It's making sure people are looking at the walk and not just the talk! Frankly... They already know the buzz words all those idiots.... But there are fools that are just seeing the buzzwords... The problem can't be fix from one direction so to speak........ Sometimes we get what we settle for.... I think we should settle for more don't you?

Why do your words make me feel so uncomfortable?

Who pray, are 'we'? and who the hell are 'they'? Why are you categorizing people, calling them idiots and fools?

What is it about you that sets you above others? Why are you trying to be the philosopher of all things good regarding Mastery. Your success on the scene and within your relationship is honourable but please have some modesty. Your success is only yours and nobody elses because it probably wouldn't work for someone else and so before you continue on your moral high ground, I suggest you de-flate your ego a little.

What does a Master need to be a Master? A slave who is joyful and happy to be his slave. Nothing more, nothing less and if he has to learn as he goes along then I'm sure he will cope.

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