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As far as the underground cash market they pay no income tax but do pay the very same sales tax on consuming the same things.
All the more reason, if it really is about everyone paying "their fair share" to move from an income-based system to a consumption system.
Ever been dirt poor? No help? No shelter? Not even a decent job with 40 hours or even half that? No? Try it sometime. I guarantee you'll hate the experience.
But you will come out of it with a better respect for the kinds of things the poor and those tittering on the edge, face on a daily basis.
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People can't do without food or water. I guess they could do without a car but I doubt many would. Some could go without buying a house but they'd still have to rent some hovel or mansion.
You can survive without water for two days. But I would....HIGHLY....not recommend testing it out. The human body can survive without food for over a week. Again, I would not recommend trying this either. Take it from someone that's done wilderness survival. Going without one or the other is hell. Going without both is crazy!
That said, there are fortunately many good people in the world that will give you water, for free, if you ask. They might even give you coffee, tea, and juice too! And the pantries do try to keep tabs on the homeless and poor and give them food to help offset their other expenses. Many of the pantries in Massachusetts are funded by private citizens and organizations, as well as the commonwealth. You would have to check with your local, county, and state for information on how pantries operate.
In medium to large cities, one can get around by bicycle or public transportation (bus or train). Some even have friends whom can give them a ride somewhere. Outside of the cities, moving about becomes much harder to accomplish. So if they dont have a means to get food or water, due to lack of a car, its also likely they dont have means to obtain a job. Usually some string of events will take place. They'll either find resources they didnt know existed and thereby stay; or they will move else where.
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If a guy makes $2,000,000 per year and choses to live in that $60,000 house, why should he pay more since, by your estimation, he doesn't have as much to protect? Could it be that to either the rich guy or the poor guy, it's their HOME? No matter what they paid for it.
Regardless of how much you make, you still paying the same taxes on the property. If a person has $2,000,000 grossing income, they are taxed on their income. That's why they call it an INCOME TAX. Its money coming in. Now if you have $2,000,000 in the bank and draw from it during the year, that's not income, so therefore, you couldnt be taxed upon it. If your $2,000,000 is invested and you pull money from it, your taxed on that money!
Its their home if they have the deed to the home. If not, they are still paying off the mortgage or paying rent. In which case the bank or owner of the apartment building owns the building.
Do you have any idea how big of a home is where I live that cost $60,000? A tiny one room building that is often mistaken for being a cottage. Yes $60,000 of 'house' depends highly where one is, does it not? Most millionaires in the New England states opt for a house that costs them $500,000+. Your making $2,000,000 a year, you can easily afford a $500,000 house. Plenty more room for all your toys!
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You're right, people could hoard their money but to what extent? Also, if we go by the example I just gave (based upon your "my shit is better so should cost more to protect" logic): How can you justify charging a "rich" guy that chooses to live in a place that is less worthy of protecting a higher tax? Do you think he'd have grounds for a discrimination suit? I do.
I cant believe I have to actually explain this concept to someone that claims the are a US Citizen....
In the United States of America, 'We the People', vote other people to...REPRESENT...us. These people, elected to public office; let's call them 'REPRESENTATIVES'. These people meet at a location in Washington, D.C. called 'The House of Representatives'. Together, with another location found in the same building, The Senate; they devise laws through a process of bills to be enacted by vote.
To answer your question. A bunch of people...voted....other people, whom in turn,...voted....on one or more bills that become laws that would determine how and why a person would be taxed. How do we determine the justification? We Voted on it. The rich lost!
This is something one learns about in 2nd grade. .
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I have to ask this (and I like and respect you):
1) Where is the line for who is "rich"?
2) why do you show so much animosity towards people, simply based on their wealth?
3) Would it be okay for some people to show animosity toward people based upon their lack of wealth?
4) Why is some in-equality okay (by your standards) and other in-equality isn't?
1 ) Depends on how you define 'rich'. Is the person with lots of money but poorly using their resources? Or someone that is wealthy by which they budget their resources from year to year, make fair to good financial investment decisions, and rarely 'slurge' on things. Rich people on the other hand, spend 'high on the hog'. They have it in their minds that to be successful, one has to look successful. So they buy a house that is above their means, expensive cars, a huge volume of furniture, and take vacation trips often. Their bank account is like a world war one battlefield, with tons of bodies spewed everywhere!
The 'rich' people will pay the same amount as the wealthy assuming the numbers on 'income' are the same. However, the wealthy person will have the forethought to budget future income tax charges. In accounting this 'budget' is considered an asset on the books. Its not often that a wealthy person/family goes into bankruptcy. Conditions would have to be a total disaster for that to be accomplished. 'Rich' people are often one step away from bankruptcy and losing everything.
I've met business people whom are on their second mortgage, fifteen credit cards maxed out, their credit rating dropping like a rock, and in the hole for many $100K. But they make $300,000+/year. Often they are in this situation because no one has ever taught them how to manage their resources. Or, they have no discipline when it comes to money.
I know one D/s couple that was in this boat. The wife actually put a leash (physically and figuratively) on the husband (sub). He made the money, and she either used it, or stored it. It took some education, but I was able to teach her how to invest the stored money better; pay off the debts in a sane manner, and give her husband an allowance. On big ticket items, they would discuss the pros and cons of the purchase. They were a couple before they got into D/s. Once the wife found she enjoyed being the Domme, things turned around. Not saying every family should do this; it worked for them. That, and help finding them a Certified Finincial Planner (CFP).
2. I dislike rich and wealth people who are arrogant, hateful, selfish, dishonest, and 'scum of the Earth' (they tend to vote Republican or Tea Party). The types that want taxes set so they benefit while hindering the fuck out of everyone else. There are plenty of rich people whom donate their time and vast resources to helping one or more causes that help the poor and middle class. These people have been in favor of the government forcing the rich to pay 'their fair share'.
These people understand the concept of 'scale of economies'; were as the group I dislike, do not.
3. No, its never 'ok'. Most people call that bullying. Many take pleasure in beating down a homeless or poor person. Feeling like its some sort of 'right' to be a total asshole. Of course, the Republican and Tea Party do it all the time. They enjoy picking on the poor any chance they get. Their the ones that have been trying to remove SNAP from the federal level. And they are the ones that resisted allowing people facing foreclosures to obtain better loans and/or longer times before such foreclosures.
4. Not sure I understand what your asking here.
as a matter of a fact I have, when I left Seattle little over a decade ago I slept my last night there on the unemployment office parking lot...
and never once did I hold such a hatred of people who were doing better than me as you do.
here's a concept, don't like your situation CHANGE IT!
and don't say people CAN NOT DO IT, I did and have ZERO SYMPATHY for people who wallow in self pity and accept handouts
I am so sick of hearing how people want OTHER PEOPLE to pay their fair share then say outright they intend to charge THIS GROUP a higher rate...
the whole this tax system can be fixed sounds like many of the slum lords I do work for, they call me I go look and tell them the whole plumbing system is SHOT, needs to be replaced and they say well I just want you to fix this ONE LITTLE CRACK RIGHT HERE.
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