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Blue billionaires on top

POLITICO’s list of Top 100 donors of disclosed money tilts leftward.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/01/blue-billionaires-on-top-114151.html#ixzz3bwzulenT

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Governing is second now to fund raising.

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Which is why Dems propagandize so much about "dark money" - they want their share, and if they cant have it they want to cut off the Republicans' funding. Exactly like they howled about PACs, until they caught up to the Republicans then it wasnt such a big deal after all

(BTW, overall, the article says that the parties are almost even in campaign fundraising)

Tempest in a teapot

Less than 1 percent of people said money in politics or campaign fundraising was the most important issue facing the country.

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Which is why Dems propagandize so much about "dark money" - they want their share, and if they cant have it they want to cut off the Republicans' funding. Exactly like they howled about PACs, until they caught up to the Republicans then it wasnt such a big deal after all

(BTW, overall, the article says that the parties are almost even in campaign fundraising)

Tempest in a teapot

Less than 1 percent of people said money in politics or campaign fundraising was the most important issue facing the country.

campaign fundraising is only part of the money-in-politics problem.. its the continual lobbying and backroom deals (which is also money-in-politics) that happen in between elections.. it is also that industry lobbying that causes campaign promises to voters to be broken or mutilated beyond what was originally intended..

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"84 percent of people -- 80 percent of Republicans and 90 percent of Democrats -- believe money has too much influence in American politics."

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I never said it was...only that the whinning in here lately has been all about hilary, or soros, or clinton, or clinton foundation, money for speeches and expectations....but nothing about the other side....the fact that the two stories i linked to today talk about the very same thing...seemed appropos..
Please feel free to change the subject, derail, bloviate at will. Its all you have.
Have a nice day

Perhaps the fact (not challenging it) that there has been an awful lot about Hilary, the Clinton's, or the Clinton Foundation lately, just might have to do with Hillary getting into the race and, oh, I don't know, news?

At some point, she'll fall out of the news headlines a bit, and someone in the GOP will pop up, but, at the moment, it's Hillary.

Um, yeah..you notice, theres little OTHER news, or mention of any other "corruption and big money" from the right". which is why I posted this thread
You will also notice that no one has anything of note to mention unless, its "fighting back against the hilary, or the clintons, or obama, or, lefties in general, lots of derail...not even you....have anything to say about the kochs giving nearly one billion for ONE election.

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In a year during which little of consequence is being done in the Senate, hardly a week goes by in which Reid doesn’t take to the floor to attack the Kochs’ influence in politics. Since late January, Reid has mentioned the Kochs in 22 separate floor speeches, calling them out about 250 times, either by name (including referring to them as “Charlie and Dave”) or allusion (“two power-drunk billionaires”), and blaming them for all manner of ills including holding up aid to Ukraine.

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Which is why Dems propagandize so much about "dark money" - they want their share, and if they cant have it they want to cut off the Republicans' funding. Exactly like they howled about PACs, until they caught up to the Republicans then it wasnt such a big deal after all

(BTW, overall, the article says that the parties are almost even in campaign fundraising)

Tempest in a teapot

Less than 1 percent of people said money in politics or campaign fundraising was the most important issue facing the country.

campaign fundraising is only part of the money-in-politics problem.. its the continual lobbying and backroom deals (which is also money-in-politics) that happen in between elections.. it is also that industry lobbying that causes campaign promises to voters to be broken or mutilated beyond what was originally intended..

The right to petition the government was always intended. If you dont believe that smart, industrious, successful people should be allowed to be involved in government, I suppose you believe government should be the exclusive domain of the Baltimore rioters. And that they should be given plenty of room to destroy, too...

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"84 percent of people -- 80 percent of Republicans and 90 percent of Democrats -- believe money has too much influence in American politics."

Less than 1% think its important though, as I showed above. Whats the percentage of people who think they should exercise more, and eat healthier? Probably about the same.

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FR

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its way too lopsided.. there are 318+ million americans, and the number of big corps and lobbyists are small in comparison.. so it is actually very undemocratic as you have a minority (being the # of those big corps/lobbyists) that have control over the govt & the majority in this country.. its the tail wagging the dog..

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that just proves how stupid people are (to actually pay good money to listen to speeches by her, her skirt-chasing hubby, or any other politician out to make a buck.. that includes anyone buying Bush's book)..

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its way too lopsided.. there are 318+ million americans, and the number of big corps and lobbyists are small in comparison.. so it is actually very undemocratic as you have a minority (being the # of those big corps/lobbyists) that have control over the govt & the majority in this country.. its the tail wagging the dog..

"Undemocratic"? First of all, the USA isnt supposed to be democratic, its supposed to be a Republic because the founders recognized that a "democracy" is essentially two wolves and a sheep voting on the dinner menu. Its mob rule, as it was recently in Baltimore (as I eluded to earlier).

Second, how is it "undemocratic" when its only "lopsided" in that each of the Americans you mentioned gets exactly one vote (unless the district is supervised by Democrats of course), while the hated evil mean "big corps" (aka "employers" or "producers") get exactly no votes

How is the ability to buy political advertising, which is the same as speech in the age of mass media, "undemocratic"

I think what youre looking for isnt democracy, as much as it is totalitarianism with an Orwellian spin on it

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that just proves how stupid people are (to actually pay good money to listen to speeches by her, her skirt-chasing hubby, or any other politician out to make a buck.. that includes anyone buying Bush's book)..

Stupid is the right word, but youre pointing it in the wrong direction

They arent paying to listen to speeches, they are buying influence and favors

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the one person one vote doesnt compare to the power big corps/lobbyists have over politicians and govt.. american voters don't have the money to compete with that.. especially since they pay more in wage tax than corps pay in tax.. if votes mattered as much as lobbyists did, corps would pay more and not have the loopholes such as being able to negotiate past, present and future tax rates (in secret) with the f'n IRS!!!!.. known as Advance Pricing Agreements.. that is why big corps like Microsoft, google, oracle, amazon, etc pay half what the official corporate tax rate is!..

"The tax break that corporate America wants kept secret
Oracle had nearly halved its tax bill. It paid $2.6 billion in cash income taxes on pre-tax income of nearly $13.9 billion, a rate of just under 19%."

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Money Hillary raised... $350K

What Hillary earned... $225K

What the Bellagio cost... $200K

What the staff was paid to organize... $30K

Screwing over the students with higher tuition... Priceless.

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the one person one vote doesnt compare to the power big corps/lobbyists have over politicians and govt.. american voters don't have the money to compete with that.. especially since they pay more in wage tax than corps pay in tax.. if votes mattered as much as lobbyists did, corps would pay more and not have the loopholes such as being able to negotiate past, present and future tax rates (in secret) with the f'n IRS!!!!.. known as Advance Pricing Agreements.. that is why big corps like Microsoft, google, oracle, amazon, etc pay half what the official corporate tax rate is!..

"The tax break that corporate America wants kept secret
Oracle had nearly halved its tax bill. It paid $2.6 billion in cash income taxes on pre-tax income of nearly $13.9 billion, a rate of just under 19%."

No, wrong again. The power of American citizens to vote is more power. People just arent interested though, they dont pay attention. Or when they do, far too many rely on the kind of far left talking points that you keep repeating, and other mindless lies and propaganda

All taxes are passed down to the average taxpayer, for example. Corporations will always make their bottom line while passing cost increases (including any new taxes) onto you

But here you are, screaming tax me. Please sir, can I have another.

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Thats a nice cherry you picked there, sure. Did you see this comment under it?

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Money Hillary raised... $350K

What Hillary earned... $225K

What the Bellagio cost... $200K

What the staff was paid to organize... $30K

Screwing over the students with higher tuition... Priceless.

Also very convenient how you first rail against corporate influence in politics... Then somehow miss the $104.9 million one Clinton alone pocketed from giving speeches to big corporations (many of them overseas corporations, while his Secretary of State wife made decisions crucial to them)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-clintons-went-from-dead-broke-to-rich-bill-earned-1049-million-for-speeches/2014/06/26/8fa0b372-fd3a-11e3-8176-f2c941cf35f1_story.html

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there is mindless propaganda on both sides, both from the Ds & the Rs.. the lobbyists and big corps win no matter which party wins, corps and lobbyists try to manipulate both parties (& frequently donate to both)..

I am not screaming tax me, I believe in fairness and if corps can negotiate with the IRS to change/halve their tax rate then that's not fair to voters or to small business that dont have the deep pockets to hire the tax lawyers the big corps hire.. big corps have unfair advantages that small business doesnt have.. and when Oracle halved its taxes, it wasnt a benefit to consumers or taxpayers, it was a benefit to shareholders (whose dividend doubled)..

https://fortune.com/2013/07/22/the-tax-break-that-corporate-america-wants-kept-secret/

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there is mindless propaganda on both sides, both from the Ds & the Rs.. the lobbyists and big corps win no matter which party wins, corps and lobbyists try to manipulate both parties (& frequently donate to both)..

I am not screaming tax me, I believe in fairness and if corps can negotiate with the IRS to change/halve their tax rate then that's not fair to voters or to small business that dont have the deep pockets to hire the tax lawyers the big corps hire.. big corps have unfair advantages that small business doesnt have.. and when Oracle halved its taxes, it wasnt a benefit to consumers or taxpayers, it was a benefit to shareholders (whose dividend doubled)..

https://fortune.com/2013/07/22/the-tax-break-that-corporate-america-wants-kept-secret/

Though the IRS is a political tool under the Obama regime, I think your IRS issues are another completely separate topic