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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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There was no passion in her campaign, and no passion in her as a candidate. Just politics as usual.

If you're going to ask for the cite, forget it - it's lost in the fuzz of my memory .... But I read once that the Hillary camp had played with the idea of Hillary going all brassy and table-thumping but that the feedback they'd got back had made it clear that it just wasn't going to work. One of the problems was that that she would be too easily cast as a mad screaming harpie. If America wasn't ready for a female Pres who was bland and dreary, it was still less ready for a passionate female Pres.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Policy, experience, background information, etc. were all meaningless to the respondent. His followers are into a cult-of-personality.

Yeah, Obama's followers were pretty cultist, weren't they? [:)]

Firm

How is the majority of Americans who voted for him "cultist"?

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With foes to his Left and Right, and virtually the entire corporate media on his back, he is desperately trying to reverse America's chronic decline.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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There was no passion in her campaign, and no passion in her as a candidate. Just politics as usual.

If you're going to ask for the cite, forget it - it's lost in the fuzz of my memory .... But I read once that the Hillary camp had played with the idea of Hillary going all brassy and table-thumping but that the feedback they'd got back had made it clear that it just wasn't going to work. One of the problems was that that she would be too easily cast as a mad screaming harpie. If America wasn't ready for a female Pres who was bland and dreary, it was still less ready for a passionate female Pres.

There was plenty of passion, but it was limited to (a) women who wanted a woman so badly they were willing to have it be Hilary, and (b) the party elite who were convinced they could anoint a leader at will.
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CORPORATE LIBERALS

That was not the passion of the rest of what could have been her base, who instead supported first Sanders, and then Stein, Johnson, Trump, or no one.

Bill advised her strongly to get a message. She decided "I got this."

I'm glad she's not president. I'm sorry Trump became president. It was a sucky choice.

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ORIGINAL: outlier

FR

I think the reason Hillary lost is that she had such a short memory.

If memory serves there was a movie called The War Room made after
Bill won the first time. I found the Wiki page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_Room

"The film follows James Carville and George Stephanopoulos at first
during the New Hampshire Primary, and then mostly in Little Rock,
Arkansas, at Clinton Campaign Headquarters."

Across the back wall there was a large banner.

It's The Economy Stupid

She and her team were stupid. They forgot.
CAVAET--- THEY DID NOT FORGET- THEY WERE CORPORATE LIBERALS!
How can you support and embrace big business and really help anyone?
When will people wake up?
CORPORATE LIBERALS only throw crumbs and money at a few social issues, often will raise taxes, and increase and fund more government programs,
they will NOT go against big business.
THEY WILL NOT GO AGAINST THE CURRENT SYSTEM.

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ORIGINAL: outlier

FR

I think the reason Hillary lost is that she had such a short memory.

If memory serves there was a movie called The War Room made after
Bill won the first time. I found the Wiki page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_Room

"The film follows James Carville and George Stephanopoulos at first
during the New Hampshire Primary, and then mostly in Little Rock,
Arkansas, at Clinton Campaign Headquarters."

Across the back wall there was a large banner.

It's The Economy Stupid

She and her team were stupid. They forgot.

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ORIGINAL: Edwird

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

By David Powers

Because “It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood…and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly; so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat.”

So, this is David Powers admiring Obama, in his own stumbling way, while all the rest of you were hating on him.

Zing.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: outlier

FR

I think the reason Hillary lost is that she had such a short memory.

If memory serves there was a movie called The War Room made after
Bill won the first time. I found the Wiki page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_Room

"The film follows James Carville and George Stephanopoulos at first
during the New Hampshire Primary, and then mostly in Little Rock,
Arkansas, at Clinton Campaign Headquarters."

Across the back wall there was a large banner.

It's The Economy Stupid

She and her team were stupid. They forgot.

Yep.

And she decided she didn't need the Sanders voters.

She was wrong. Arrogant and stupid.

But at least she's not president. I was we could say that of Trump as well.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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I give Canadians no weight in opinion on this issue.

Nobody gives a fuck what you give weight to, you are completely irrelevant once you click the OK button

Love how compassionate communists are always sunshine, rainbows and smiles - and free candy for the children.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Policy, experience, background information, etc. were all meaningless to the respondent. His followers are into a cult-of-personality.

Yeah, Obama's followers were pretty cultist, weren't they? [:)]

Firm

How is the majority of Americans who voted for him "cultist"?

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: outlier

FR

I think the reason Hillary lost is that she had such a short memory.

If memory serves there was a movie called The War Room made after
Bill won the first time. I found the Wiki page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_Room

"The film follows James Carville and George Stephanopoulos at first
during the New Hampshire Primary, and then mostly in Little Rock,
Arkansas, at Clinton Campaign Headquarters."

Across the back wall there was a large banner.

It's The Economy Stupid

She and her team were stupid. They forgot.
CAVAET--- THEY DID NOT FORGET- THEY WERE CORPORATE LIBERALS!
How can you support and embrace big business and really help anyone?
When will people wake up?
CORPORATE LIBERALS only throw crumbs and money at a few social issues, often will raise taxes, and increase and fund more government programs,
they will NOT go against big business.
THEY WILL NOT GO AGAINST THE CURRENT SYSTEM.

TRUTH!
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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With foes to his Left and Right, and virtually the entire corporate media on his back, he is desperately trying to reverse America's chronic decline.

This explains it all.

He appeals to simple minds who think all of the solutions are easy, and the only reason that any problems exist in society is because of evil establishment politicians, liberals or foreigners.

He appeals to people who are stupid enough to think that he is intelligent enough to fully understand his duties, that he wouldn't rather simply bask in the adulation of his mindless followers while doing absolutely nothing, that the actions he does take are informed by anything but his own narcissism.

I have no doubt that Trump considers himself a great leader and president, but I also think he is crippled by his own delusions of grandeur, which lead him to believe he knows things he doesn't know, is capable of things he cannot do, and is someone he can never be.

At this point, to be a Trump supporter is to openly declare yourself profoundly unintelligent, profoundly cynical, or too wrapped up in your own biases to realize what is going on.

He is probably the most humiliating thing that has ever happened to America... the end result of years of a declining education system, trickle down, Internet conspiracy sites, fear, hate, anger, and stupidity.

America has shown the world that most of the ugly American stereotypes are truer than everyone thought.

The people have chosen idiocracy because they are too ignorant to know that that's what it is.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

I hope to live to see a viable THIRD party actually WIN an election!!!!

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I think it sums up a lot of reasons for Trump's resilience with his base, which seems to utterly dumbfound many of the political elite and the leftists.

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By David Powers
There's a story, about Washington. After the war, with no money coming, a number of officers started the Newburgh Conspiracy-plotting a coup. Fascinating stuff, but the gist is this. Washington found out, and went to address them.

He gave a speech-great, beautiful speech-to little effect. In a last attempt, he pulled out a letter from a congressman promising (again) money. Started to read it, and faltered.

He took out his glasses. Something almost none of them had seen him wear. And said: "Gentlemen, you will permit me to put on my spectacles, for I have not only grown grey but almost blind in the service of my country.”

From anyone else, almost any other man in history that would be grotesque pandering. But Washington was really everything they say he is. And his men, these tough bàstards from Saratoga and Valley Forge, wept. The conspiracy ended.

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But by the grace of God, this dying remnant of our gangrenous nation flipped one last card. And it came up a Trump.

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What do you think?
Firm

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"Because I'm with him. I'm with him to the end. Be it the bitter end or the glorious end, I'm with him...

I'M WITH HIM ALL THE GOD DAMNED WAY!"

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: Marini

I hope to live to see a viable THIRD party actually WIN an election!!!!

An effective, powerful third party has been tried, played with, and talked about for quite a while, almost aways during some time of turbulence.

The history, and the structural organization of the US does not bode well for the emergence of a third party, through a natural progression of events.

I do think that there is a strong possibility that the Republican party will, however, transition to something closer to its stated principles, especially if the current logjam in Congress continues through the next election.

Both current parties can be broken down into two major factions. Using common political terminology, the Republicans are made up of "establishment" Republicans (GOPe) and "TEA Party" or "Conservative" Republicans (GOPc). Mostly, the GOPc is the Trump wing.

I think the odds are pretty high that in the 2018 elections, that the GOPc will gain a lot of seats and power within Congress and the GOP, and that split could engender a split in which the GOPe and the less radical Democratic Party members coalesce into a new third party.

That would leave the rump Democratic Party more of a socialist party.

Interesting concepts that I'm playing with, not sure how it might all finally play out.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: outlier

FR

I think the reason Hillary lost is that she had such a short memory.

If memory serves there was a movie called The War Room made after
Bill won the first time. I found the Wiki page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_Room

"The film follows James Carville and George Stephanopoulos at first
during the New Hampshire Primary, and then mostly in Little Rock,
Arkansas, at Clinton Campaign Headquarters."

Across the back wall there was a large banner.

It's The Economy Stupid

She and her team were stupid. They forgot.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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With foes to his Left and Right, and virtually the entire corporate media on his back, he is desperately trying to reverse America's chronic decline.

This explains it all.

He appeals to simple minds who think all of the solutions are easy, and the only reason that any problems exist in society is because of evil establishment politicians, liberals or foreigners.

He appeals to people who are stupid enough to think that he is intelligent enough to fully understand his duties, that he wouldn't rather simply bask in the adulation of his mindless followers while doing absolutely nothing, that the actions he does take are informed by anything but his own narcissism.

I have no doubt that Trump considers himself a great leader and president, but I also think he is crippled by his own delusions of grandeur, which lead him to believe he knows things he doesn't know, is capable of things he cannot do, and is someone he can never be.

At this point, to be a Trump supporter is to openly declare yourself profoundly unintelligent, profoundly cynical, or too wrapped up in your own biases to realize what is going on.

He is probably the most humiliating thing that has ever happened to America... the end result of years of a declining education system, trickle down, Internet conspiracy sites, fear, hate, anger, and stupidity.

America has shown the world that most of the ugly American stereotypes are truer than everyone thought.

The people have chosen idiocracy because they are too ignorant to know that that's what it is.

Several points:

1. Where are you located in the world, anyway, HB? Your profile says China, but I kinda doubt that.

2. I don't know all your political views, but it certainly appears that you are far along the path to "othering" anyone who didn't vote the way that you believe to be "correct".

3. This places you firmly in the marxist area of the political equation, which I summarily categorize as anti-liberty and anti-reality.

4. Until and unless you have some reality-based arguments other than denigrating the people who voted for someone other than the one you preferred, your posts hold no weight in any political discussion with me.

Firm