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Anal Training - 2/17/2005 5:22:03 PM   
MasterGrim


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Status: offline 		Hi people, my first proper topic here.
I searched a bit for the subject but could'nt find anything relevant.

I'm directing this query at both Masters and Mistresses.
My sub partner and I are currently in the process of taking our D/s relationship to a more permanent 24/7 - somewhat more extreme level.
She is still getting comfortable with anal sex, enthuisiasm is'nt the problem, just she's had no experience with it before our relationship plus she's rather petite/small.

We've played with toys occasionally but i've never formally "anally trained" any subs in the past, anyways she has admitted she would like to be "properly owned" and as part of this undergo extensive anal training and have vaginal sex depravation used as a stricter form of punishment in the future.

Now naturally i don't want to over do it and hurt/injure her so I'm curious about how different Doms anally train their subs, whats involved in your methods and how often does this training occur ?

I owe her a good punishment so i'm thinking 1 month of no vaginal sex and daily hour or so long buttplug sessions with other anal toy play followed by sodomizing her.

Obviously one would like play it by ear so my plans may have to be modified to suit her rectum, but she likes her domination rather rough/harsh.
Loves being marked/bruised & made to cry and will rarely ever safe word out so i'd like to get an idea of others philosophies and experiences regarding anal training.

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RE: Anal Training - 2/17/2005 8:44:54 PM   
Bwana55419


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Status: offline 		With any anal penetration, any actual pain can be signs of trouble so my recommendation for her would be to tell you what she is feeling as you go along. Discomfort from stretching should be problem free, but until you both have a better sense of things take it slow.

I follow what I think of as my three finger rule; unless I can bury three fingers to the knuckle I won’t try intercourse. You can try getting various sizes of but plugs, though I have found the industry standards for small and medium to be useless. I just have larger toys and resign myself to the fact that it may take a while. Having her sit on a large dildo and slowly lower herself onto it would seem a better plan. As a butt plug tapers at the base, once you have it in you lose any real benefit of stretching.

Try bigsextoy.com at least I think that is the name of the place, they have a wonderful selection, plus the review are very interesting.

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RE: Anal Training - 2/17/2005 9:39:51 PM   
pandoravampire


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Status: offline 		The 3 finger rule is a great one from the trainee's point of view. (well put Bwana).
The douching side of things, that is where the training becomes harder, timing, humiliation etc.
Literotica dot com has a excellent bdsm anal training thread, with lots of recipes to try from small butt plugs to figging.

advice not solicited but given anyhow: stay well away from KY Warm! Sometimes, those on the receiving end have experience to share too ya know



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RE: Anal Training - 2/17/2005 10:14:43 PM   
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RE: Anal Training - 2/17/2005 11:42:49 PM   
ravenna


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Status: offline 		Hi, sorry to butt in! (Irresistible pun.) i'm not a master, not a mistress, only a humble slave, but anything with the word "anal" in it just sucks me right in, so i will offer my humble tale. (Sorry, more bad puns.)

I was initiated into anal sex at 19 by the man who became my first owner, and he did all the usual things in opening me up, including a whole series of larger and larger butt plugs, lots and lots of lube, lots of fingers, lots of patience and the result was lots of long lovely successful buttfucking. The key element of course was his steely determination (and his steely erection) to get inside me through every orifice humanly possible, coupled with my almost uncontrollable hunger to get him inside me through all the same orifices. My ass was no match for the two of us.

But there was one slightly unusual training method we stumbled on: Champagne bottles. Whenever we drained another champagne bottle (okay, we drank a lot of champagne together in college), we would strip off all the remaining bits of label, scrub it inside and out with a soapy bottle brush, check for scratchy places on the neck, and rinse it with boiling water, and then save it. The next time i was on my knees to suck his cock, i would slowly impale my anus on a nice, clean, smooth, well-lubed champagne bottle. While sucking him i was allowed to masturbate my pussy with one free hand and to control the speed and depth of my anal impalement. The standard champagne bottle is about the right height to squat on while sucking cock, it won't go in very far because it flares out quickly below the neck, that flare REALLY opens up your anus, so don't try to go too deep too fast, and it's safe because, well, you're not going to lose it in there, and champagne bottles are very thick and strong in order to contain the pressure of the bubbly. (Don't use regular wine bottles, they're lots thinner.) You can break one with a hammer, but not with my sweet little rosebud. Not only did this help open my ass up at a comfortable (and very sexy!) pace, and it kept us always a little buzzed on champagne, but it forever and for all time locked oral, clitoral and anal stimulation together for me. Not that those three things were very far removed for me to begin with, but it really welded them together for me irreversibly, and i swear after a few months of this stuff i could practically cum just looking at a champagne bottle. Made grocery shopping a whole new thrill...

Ever since then i can't take a sip of champagne without getting a little extra kick, and after all these years (eleven now) i still clean and save every empty champagne bottle, at least for awhile, just in case. And once in a while, now that my first owner co-owns me again, i still get to kneel with a big green bottle impaling my ass while he impales my mouth, and my fingers and clit get to play to their heart's content.... Pure heaven.

PS: More tips. Don't buy the cheap stuff; doesn't your girl (or boy) deserve Perrier-Jouet or Moet & Chandon up the ass? Save the cheap Andre's Cold Duck for the relatives. And have her kneel on the carpet, the bottle will slide on wooden floors. Oh, and do it in front of a mirror and let her look; it's a sight and a sensation she'll remember forever.

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RE: Anal Training - 2/18/2005 2:28:02 AM   
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Um, I seem to recall that glass bottles are bad for insertion. It is very late for me and my brain is fuzzy, but not only is there the problem of broken glass, but if I remember right, you can end up with a suction problem. Do some research before you follow the above example.

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RE: Anal Training - 2/18/2005 2:35:03 AM   
lovingmaster45


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Status: offline 		First off, start with a clean anus. I am totally into ass play; but I have no use for shit play. Don't buy cheap enema equipment. Go to a workshop or two. My best one was at Black Rose in 2000; taught by the meanest lesbian dom I have ever encountered. She taught me more in a one hour workshop than all the internet info and personal experimenting I had done in years. Take it slow. Do NOT use it as punishment; that will NOT work. Because if you do it right she/he will be begging for it.

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RE: Anal Training - 2/18/2005 5:24:30 AM   
GothicusFreakyus


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Status: offline 		Eeek any bottle is not a safe thng to use in ANY body cavity lol. if you get a bit too energetic you can create a vacume! trust me you dont want to end up in the emergency room ass up waiting for the fire brigade to come with cutting tools to drill a hole in your big thick bottle lol. plus the chance the drilling will cause the bottle to shatter and you dont even want to consider that.

always be VERY careful what you insert rectally. half my family are nurses and some of the stories they can tell of what people have had extracted from intimate locations ya wouldnt believe!

general tip, nothing that can trap air inside it. nothing thats fragile (you would think thats obvious wouldnt you) and nothing you know is going to be difficult getting out (again you really would think that was obvious) if something goes deep enough you cannot simply use your rectal muscles to push it out and thats when ER visits start looking probable.

We always had fun with candles. they can be carved to the shape you desire, they become flexible when warm and if ya have an accident there a bloody great bit of cord running through em to pull it out with lol...

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RE: Anal Training - 2/18/2005 5:26:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		My question is, do you want her to associate anal play with punishment or reward? If you want her to feel good about it, simply go slow and use lube and have fun with it. Use toys specifically MADE for anal play, it's just not worth the hassle with other items I find.

In the beginning especially likely no more than 2 hours at a time for a plug is more than good. The anus doesn't lubricate itself and unless you take the plug out and relube it, the surface will dry and begin to rub the sensitive skin, this can cause discomfort at best and damage at worse and make it very bad to have anal sex later.

If you want it just to be a punishment or don't care, then just take her and rape her ass. The body will deal with it and heal on its own. But most people save that only for special occasions.

Playing with her clit or breasts as you begin to penetrate can help her relax and enjoy the mix of sensations as well. There are also many double headed dildos specifically meant for anal and vaginal penetration together which can be very nice to start with. Getting her to relax and enjoy is the biggest help.


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RE: Anal Training - 2/18/2005 5:55:59 AM   
MemphisDsCouple


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quote:

ORIGINAL: GothicusFreakyus

Eeek any bottle is not a safe thng to use in ANY body cavity lol. if you get a bit too energetic you can create a vacume! trust me you dont want to end up in the emergency room ass up waiting for the fire brigade to come with cutting tools to drill a hole in your big thick bottle lol. plus the chance the drilling will cause the bottle to shatter and you dont even want to consider that.

always be VERY careful what you insert rectally. half my family are nurses and some of the stories they can tell of what people have had extracted from intimate locations ya wouldnt believe!

general tip, nothing that can trap air inside it. nothing thats fragile (you would think thats obvious wouldnt you) and nothing you know is going to be difficult getting out (again you really would think that was obvious) if something goes deep enough you cannot simply use your rectal muscles to push it out and thats when ER visits start looking probable.

We always had fun with candles. they can be carved to the shape you desire, they become flexible when warm and if ya have an accident there a bloody great bit of cord running through em to pull it out with lol...


So if creating a vacuum is a concern, one could simply fill the champaigne bottle with wax. I've put an awful lot of things into female orifices, including bottles, and I've never had any sort of vacuum problem. But hey, if it's a possibility then one could just fill the bottle. I did not find the champaigne bottle routine described above ominous in the least.

To the original poster: I've found the most important thing is teaching the girl to relax. I've found this best accomplished by having her relax her whole body. Take a deep breath, let it out and simultaneously just go limp. This procedure/concept has never failed me.

I'm not recommending anything. I offer the above for the purpose of academic discussion only.

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RE: Anal Training - 2/18/2005 8:23:30 AM   
MasterGrim


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Status: offline 		Thanks all for your input muchly appreciated :)

@bwana:
She has'nt shown any signs of pain during anal sex nor expressed it's so painful its not enjoyable, i always take it extremely slow as i said she is rather petite and very tight, she wants to go through the training mainly we can buttplay more often and so i can go harder and faster on her.
She has asked me to stop only once but that was as we hadn't warmed up enough due to coming home drunk too overly excited.

We have a smallish vibe we use for anal play/foreplay which I do take slowly and always go by her feeling/feedback and have just bought a set of plugs and some other dildo's/butt toys.

I don't exactly go by the three finger rule but won't penetrate her untill i feel she is adequately warmed up and I'm not gonna tear her, that and she says she's ready for it.
While we usually do have lengthy foreplay sessions before any form of sex as its just my rule of thumb she really gets off on the humilation and servitude of having to lube and warm herself up with finger and vibe whilst getting me ready at the same time as i lay back and relax and then her having to beg for it... this is usually how our anal scenario's play out.

yes she is my sub, wants to take it further and experience being a 24/7 slave of sorts, our interpretation anyways.
But at the end of the day she is my partner (fiance) so I'm trying to work out a good balance of discipline and pleasure, She is damn kinky, wants to be pushed beyond her limits, genuinely loves pain and submission but i always have this underlying feeling im being cruel with my punishments even though she is expressing she can take more and i deep down want to give her more (damn love).

@pandoravampire:
Douching and enemas are also something we intend to experiment with as part of this, especially for the cleanliness, but we see the prospects of the fun and humiliation in this as well :)

@RiotGirl:
Well yes, we both think it should be more of a punishment as opposed to vanilla anal sex.

I'd mentioned that like floating the prospect of having to wear a buttplug for extended periods and was cool with the idea/willing to try it, i just thought it was a bit to cruel/could cause damage in reality so i guess i have wussed down my punishment ideals a bit :-/
and i also read something here that enlightened me that anal play doesnt stretch the anus more so strengthens it.

@ ravenna:
LOL its cool, i should've added any lovers of anal or recipients of anal training are welcome to butt in :)

umm champagne bottles are a bit over the top for us.
My partner is the same age when you were initiated into anal (im 10 years her senior) so i have alot of time to work her up to it.
Although what you describe does sound rather erotic, while i agree there is nothing more satisfying to have my penis in her mouth while she has something such as a vibe or beads in her butt im afraid champagne is a bit too poofy for us anyways, Could try beer bottles LOL *joking*

@ BeachMystress:
It's ok i wont be putting any glass bottles up her butt in a hurry, i'll stick to my genitals and butt toys for now.

@lovingmaster45:
Workshops are'nt really an option, even if they were we'd prolly have to travel an unrealistic distance to get to one.
I don't use anal in the sense of punishment as being rough and inconsiderate, more of the act of submission humiliation, the discomfort and denial of vaginal stimulation, she is pretty much already begging for it,she has orgasm'ed through anal sex hence her wanting to be trained to be able to take it more often and vigorously.

@GothicusFreakyus:
Yeah I wouldn't use anything aside from proper toys and maybe the odd vegetable or two.

@EmeraldSlave2:
Great reply.
Thanks for the info, now i know if we have extended anal buttplug sessions to have regular lube checks.

We do have "vanilla anal sex" and she often asks for it but ultimately i use anal sex as punishment and vaginal and oral sex as rewards.

If she is able to get through one of our weekend heavy sessions without safewording or wussing out then i please her to no end, if not she gets sodomized slowly as many times as im up for and left gagged tied to the bed till morning.

The thing is i do care, while yes i would like to tie her up take some viagra and insanely rape her ass untill the sun came up this will naturally more than just discomfort her with her anus in an unprepared state.

She is going to end up my wife and i sincerely care for her well being, tis why im asking about anal training.

@MemphisDsCouple
Yes relaxing is the most important thing, the very advice i gave her on learning to enjoy anal and being able to deepthroat.

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RE: Anal Training - 2/18/2005 11:15:37 PM   
ravenna


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Status: offline 		Well, golly, i did say don't stick a cheap muscatel bottle up your girl's ass, didn't i? And i did say please buy her the good stuff. (Those screw-on caps are murder!) But my apologies, i should have added this disclaimer: CAUTION: CRAZY HIGH-RISK DRUNK AND HORNY COLLEGE SLUT BEHAVIOR AHEAD, PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK!

BeachMystress and GothicusFreakyus, i stand chastened before your wisdom and caution; yet unashamed. Suction does sound like a real concern all right, but it never seemed to be a problem with us, and as for losing a champagne bottle up one's ass? i know, i know, the crazy things they see in emergency rooms, but with an anal virgin's tight little rosebud? In my humble opinion you're much more likely to lose your permission slip to impale her long before you lose your magnum of Pommery up her butt. And champagne bottles are pretty hard to break, but anything can happen in the heat of sexual combat, so please refer to all-purpose disclaimer above.

I feel a little silly defending this drunken anal lunacy of ours, but hey, i'm used to feeling silly, so here goes. Another disclaimer: YUCKY STUFF AHEAD. i think what eliminated the vacuum/suction problem was that we hadn't even thought about enema training me yet (that came later). So as soon as it went up my ass the bottle neck always plugged right up with lube and, ahem, "rectal contents." It would usually be very obviously full already (just the neck, not the whole bottle!) the first time i pulled it out to add lube. Which is why we never felt like washing one of our lovely bottles out afterwards and using it again. Yuck. (Besides, needing another clean bottle was an excellent excuse to drink more champagne.) And MemphisDsCouple: Filling the bottle up with wax? Wow, great idea! Duh. Wish we'd thought of it...

And here's my last shot: A lot of the safety factor was that the impalee (me) was controlling her impalement, not the impaler (that was Monsieur Extra Brut, and he didn't care). i would get the bottle cradled between my ankles, or right on my ankles, or i would control it with one hand while the other was busy in front and my mouth was full of my other impaler, so the depth and angle and speed were all up to me, and believe me the way that bottle flares out REALLY slows Monsieur Extra Brut's upward progress, even as he opens a girl up to getting a whole new kick from champagne...

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RE: Anal Training - 2/19/2005 12:16:33 AM   
MadameDahlia


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Status: offline 		I'm all sorts of sleepy and trying to add this in before heading off to bed but you might want to try looking online for a dilation kit (in case no one has mentioned this yet). Such a kit includes several plugs of various sizes... gradually getting larger. It's meant for anal training - the gradual stretching so that a bottom's bottom can take a bit more as the plugs get bigger in size.

Ugh... I hope that was coherent. And now I'm off to sleep.

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RE: Anal Training - 2/19/2005 3:21:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe I'm being dense, or I'm just over tired (it's 6:30 am!), but if she's begging for anal sex and having orgasms during it, I don't see how it would be an effective punishment, unless you're talking about play punishment games.



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RE: Anal Training - 2/19/2005 6:16:00 AM   
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RE: Anal Training - 2/19/2005 6:57:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		definitely stretch her out w/ lube & fingers - the personal touch is best I think, 2nd best is butt plug training, w/ consecutively larger butt plugs, time & size based on her tolerance for it.

I have had subs get "distressed" by having to walk with buttplugs & keep them in for longer periods of time - you might want to avoid putting her thru that if you want less friction in your life...

Then again, you could just tie her in a good anal sex position, and make her take it as you fuck her hard & long...

have fun!

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RE: Anal Training - 2/19/2005 8:25:45 PM   
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RE: Anal Training - 2/25/2005 11:39:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ravenna
, i should have added this disclaimer: CAUTION: CRAZY HIGH-RISK DRUNK AND HORNY COLLEGE SLUT BEHAVIOR AHEAD, PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK!

ROFLMAO. I'm not going to tell my own tales of horny college slut behaviour, but that doesn't mean they're not there. You're not the only one who was a bit wild in college. :-)

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ORIGINAL: ravenna
BeachMystress and GothicusFreakyus, i stand chastened before your wisdom and caution; yet unashamed. Suction does sound like a real concern all right, but it never seemed to be a problem with us, and as for losing a champagne bottle up one's ass? i know, i know, the crazy things they see in emergency rooms, but with an anal virgin's tight little rosebud? In my humble opinion you're much more likely to lose your permission slip to impale her long before you lose your magnum of Pommery up her butt. And champagne bottles are pretty hard to break, but anything can happen in the heat of sexual combat, so please refer to all-purpose disclaimer above.

I feel a little silly defending this drunken anal lunacy of ours, but hey, i'm used to feeling silly, so here goes. Another disclaimer: YUCKY STUFF AHEAD. i think what eliminated the vacuum/suction problem was that we hadn't even thought about enema training me yet (that came later). So as soon as it went up my ass the bottle neck always plugged right up with lube and, ahem, "rectal contents."

Damn you're making me laugh today. (this isn't laughing at you type of laughing, this is laughing at a comedian type of laughing)

That does make sense as to why you didn't have a problem. We probably owe a lot to lack of enema training... *smiles* Another way to get around the suction problem, since some people actually love bottles, is to drill a trio of holes in the closed end.

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RE: Anal Training - 2/25/2005 2:18:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		To the champain bottle:

I wouldnt be to crazy about anything glass being shoved up my butt... or more likely being the shover...

Why not fill the bottle with wax or plaster, wait for it to sent. then break the bottle... you have the shape you want with out the glass..

Just a thought.


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RE: Anal Training - 2/25/2005 6:12:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Warm water enema first, then some nice anal-eze and silicone lube...... consider it a good time :D

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