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perverseangelic -> Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (3/11/2005 4:46:59 PM)

I've been doing some research into service contracts (the kind that simply outline the expectations/rule for both parties) because the person we've just begun a relationship with is interested in them as a starting place for my basic rules.

I've come accross some that make a lot of sense and some that make a little, but in the spirit of curiosity and inquiry, I'd like some input on this one. (Not the whole thing, selected aspects and the list of expectations for the slave) (Upfront, I don't know if this is for a cyber relationship or a realtime relationship, nor if it matters either way)

On either side of the whip-- Are these rules fesable? Are they advised? Would you impose such on your girl/boy? Is this the kind of service contract that would be easily applicable to every day interaction? Would you find yourself bogged down by too many rules?




Rules for Life:
1.Upon acceptance of this life all that this slave’s is belongs to Master, therefore no longer will the words “My, me, mine or I” be appropriate. As a possession of Master, all reference will consider this.

2.Cumming is a gift given by Master, permission to do so must be requested and granted by Master.

3.Within 30 seconds of being alone or with Master all clothing must be removed.

4.Wearing panties or bra is not permitted.

5.When alone or with Master, collar and cuffs must be worn. Collar and cuffs must also be worn when sleeping.

6.When alone at Master’s residency, chains will be attached in a manner directed by Master.

7.When with Master, or at the Master’s residence, nothing, including personal hygiene, is done without Master’s permission – no permission is to be implied.

8. gs, underarms, and genital area must be completely shaved smooth, until Master deems to have it permanently removed, for Master’s touch.

9.Crawling will be my mode of movement when alone or at Master’s residence unless otherwise directed by Master.

10.No use of furniture unless approved by Master.

11.Master must be thanked immediately for all gifts or privileges granted, including punishment or discipline.

12.Master’s ultimate gifts are his fluids, either his cum or his piss. Being precious, they should be begged for and either worn or digested, but only if first given permission. If Master deems sluts mouth worthy of receiving His cum, slave must hold it in her mouth and ask for permission to swallow.

13.If Master deems slave’s cunt worthy of cum, slave will use her fingers to scoop it out and either wear or eat it as directed by Master.

14.After every use Master’s cock and balls will be licked clean by slave. If the slave’s ass is used, slave may use a warm washcloth finishing the cleaning with slave’s mouth.

15.When instructed, the following positions will be maintained: (Each position practiced each day – getting into position and maintaining it for 30 seconds while saying it’s name aloud.)
A.Rest: Kneeling, legs apart, sitting on heals, hands palms up on thighs, head bowed.
B.Present: Same as above, with hands interlocked behind head.
C.Puppy: On back, knees bent toward chest, elbows off ground, feet off ground, hands palms up, mouth open, tongue panting.
D.Bitch: Ass up, head on floor, arms stretched fully in front.
E.Slut: On back, legs spread wide, knees slightly bent, cunt lips pulled open by fingers.
F.Pretty Tits: In ‘Rest’ position with hands cupped under tits.

16.A journal entry will be made each day, minimum 250 words. Included will be all infractions of thought or deed, questions, desires, ideas to please Master, fantasies, fears, frustrations, accomplishments, goals, and progress toward goals. This is not limited to sexual or slave related things. Master will read, comment, and initial the entries.

17.Master must approve all clothing. Clothes should be modeled, either on slave, or in front of slave prior to putting on and receiving Master’s approval. Clothing should be picked based upon their attractiveness to Master and allow easy access to slave.

18.Touching breasts, nipples, cunt, or clit in any manner in not permitted without the express permission from Master.

19.Master has use of His slave’s body in any way, at any time He desires and His slave will always be available to Him. Any indication of sexual desire by Master either by touch, motion, word, or gesture will be encouraged by slave by providing access.

20.It is expected that slave will suggest ways to further training and use, verbally or through journal writings.

21.It is expected that slave will offer various parts of her body to Master in hopes He will take pleasure and use them in whatever ways He wishes.

22.Master’s pleasure is paramount. Sexual overtones should be a part of all behavior. All actions, walking, running, standing, kneeling, speaking, listening, will be in a manner pleasing to Master.

23.Master’s ‘toys’ will be maintained in good condition by slave, and displayed by slave in a manner providing easy access.

24.Whenever ‘Instant Messaging’ with Master, slave will always have webcam providing Master view of slave.

25.Each day, slave will kneel in the ‘Rest’ position in front of a mirror and read this entire document out loud. Ultimate goal would be to have them memorized. Afterwards, slave will close her eyes and meditate in that position for a minimum of 5 minutes.






Kinkypupper -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (3/11/2005 4:54:39 PM)

Sounds like a fairly standard "Dom" based set of rules.




proudsub -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (3/11/2005 5:37:31 PM)

I would think nos 3 and 5 would need an exception for being in public with Master.

You might want to add how the slave is to address Master, greet Master and how to walk in public with Master.

Also is there anywhere for the slave to list limits? provision for financial help if ever released or at least the return of assets that were given up?

Personally i would never agree to #1 until i knew my Master extremely well.




TallDarkAndWitty -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (3/11/2005 5:38:23 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: perverseangelic
On either side of the whip-- Are these rules fesable? Are they advised? Would you impose such on your girl/boy? Is this the kind of service contract that would be easily applicable to every day interaction? Would you find yourself bogged down by too many rules?


I am not sure where you got this, but I know who's rules they are. The are used very much in a real time manner, and, as far as I can tell, with great effect.

In terms of a "service" contract, these rules, to me, seem much more along the lines of a love or sex slave, not a service oriented slave. My contracts, which are what I consider service oriented, deal much less with the nakedness and the fluids, and much more with the attitude, expectations and actual services to be performed by my slave.

But, as I said, I know these rules do indeed work for the couple that uses them. and really, what more can you ask then that???

Taggard




LadyAngelika -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (3/11/2005 5:48:25 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty
In terms of a "service" contract, these rules, to me, seem much more along the lines of a love or sex slave, not a service oriented slave. My contracts, which are what I consider service oriented, deal much less with the nakedness and the fluids, and much more with the attitude, expectations and actual services to be performed by my slave.


That was my first thought as well. Perhaps I have a different understanding of service.

- LA




sub4hire -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (3/11/2005 5:51:12 PM)

They sound very chatroomish to me.




perverseangelic -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (3/11/2005 6:17:58 PM)

I think one of hte reasons I asked about this list is that it seems exact to the point of...impossiblity.

30 seconds? Will the owner count?

250 words? Will the owner check?

I wasn't putting this up as an example of a service-oriented contract, just one I had questions about. As far as I know, my new partner isn't interested in this kind of service except cursorally. But I guess I saw a prevelence of these kinds of lists and wondered what others thought.




EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (3/11/2005 8:26:25 PM)

Wow we just kind akeep it simple- he says, I do. Until he says otherwise, keep doing what I'm doing.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (3/12/2005 12:04:12 PM)

quote:

Are these rules fesable? Are they advised? Would you impose such on your girl/boy? Is this the kind of service contract that would be easily applicable to every day interaction? Would you find yourself bogged down by too many rules?


Anyone who would write such rules, or worse yet, think someone would actually want to LIVE by those rules is a megalomaniac! Between monitoring and enforcing all the rules it wouldn't give much time for actual life. I imagine he must be sporting a stop watch around his neck for the 30 second rule. As Gloria says, it's most likely the product of some juvenile chat room banter. It's exactly the type of warped mentality I was talking about in my "Please help me to understand..." thread. Imagine, this is the sort of person giving advise as a "lifestyle" expert.

How boring to live under such control? And after a few weeks wouldn't you get tired of seeing the same person naked ALL the time? I think there was a Seinfeld episode where that idea originated - it didn't work too well even in a sitcom. I don't think even the Anne Rice apostles would believe this to be functional in a real time relationship, let alone 24/7.

Taggard, you claim you KNOW these people????? And you believe they're REAL???? Wow - you lost a little credibility. Let me guess you just KNOW them from some chat room. You've never really met right? If anything they always have some last minute excuse or never come through when there needs to be a commitment. Maybe you met one, him I'm sure, but his "slave" was always committed elsewhere, and his toy bag was in the other car. Was he also 350 pounds, pockmarked, with a pocket protector in the breast pocket of his yellow tinged sweat marked white shirt?

Rules between people are personal, I respect anyone's and wouldn't make fun or mock any I thought were real, or I wasn't involved with personally. I believe strongly that I can stand behind that statement when it comes to these.





krikket -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (3/12/2005 1:08:27 PM)

i'm getting ready to "age" myself considerably..lol.. but one of the first things i ran across on-line in the early days of my on-line discovery was a list of 128 rules for a slave to live by. About 10 years ago they were all the rage, Gor sites, .alt discussion groups, chat rooms, etc. i remember my first reaction was to just toss the computer outta the window, cuz there was noooooooooo way i was gonna be able to live by them. lol!! i think there was even a brief period when i wondered if i really was a sub, never mind a slave.

i did a little google searching on this today, and lo and behold, they're still on-line, although in a classier form these days.

What i decided then, and still think, is that perhaps some of these rules that could be used by a couple, but for the most part it doesn't leave much room for having a life..for being a living, breathing, interacting, non-doormat type sub. i think there's still a tiny part of myself that would love to try some of these, for a short period, anyway...but for the most part i think any rules should be something the couple discuses, decides what's important to their way of life, and if they want something in writing, and use those discussions as a starting point.

jimini






CitizenCane -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (3/12/2005 1:18:00 PM)

Yeesh! Sounds like a lot of work to me- from the Master's perspective. I'm a pretty tight-control kind of guy, I like ritual, I believe in protocol, etc etc, but this kind of thing is as restrictive on the Master as on the slave. I think D/s is fundamentally about instilling attitudes, not making rules substitute for the sub's judgement. In the service, enlisted personnel can make an officer's life miserable by saluting him to death, and a sub can do the same with a bunch of overly-explicit rules.
Ask yourself what the purpose of any 'rule' or protocol is, what is involved in enforcing it, what kind of mental dynamic does the rule, compliance, non-compliance, enforcement or lack of enforcement set up in the sub? In the Master? In the D/s relationship? Have you considered all the possible interpretations, situations, ramifications of any hard-and-fast rule? Do you have a lot of experience programming in C++? One of the great things about subs is they don't have to be coded on the machine level- take advantage of that.

Citizen Cane




perverseangelic -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (3/12/2005 5:38:32 PM)

One of the things I thought was this--

I can imagine living, and thriving, under those rules. I, however, don't see the point to writing them down and memorizing them. I guess I feel that my service and defference is a -given- Most of those things will happen naturally out of my deference to my partner.


I guess I don't see the point to having a written list of rules. It seems like it creates unnecessary work for the dominant party- constantly checking to make sure there aren't any rules broken. Though, I imagine once you're used to them, it would work well.

I guess I think written rules should be the kind of thing one wouldn't do in the course of submission, not the things that are automatic.

(again, this is automatic for me. I'm feeling my way through the form "contrac" thing)




nella -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (3/12/2005 6:05:22 PM)

If somone want BDSM and D/s to be their whole life, perhaps theese rules is good for them. But for somone whit a life of their own, it is not it think. It takes up to much work both ofr the Master and the slave to enforce them. And there is some strange werry strange ones here, like begging to be alowed to use toilet paper. I think the one that wrote this is a man, as he obiously do not know how many times a woman whit her period pees. Aslo no bra, many larger girls, like me, need bras to provide suport of the breasts, becouse they are rather big. This is okey for a girl whit littel breats, but for a big girl, it will not work. But for a sence, perhaps it could be fun.




sub4hire -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (3/13/2005 4:36:02 PM)

quote:

Anyone who would write such rules, or worse yet, think someone would actually want to LIVE by those rules is a megalomaniac! Between monitoring and enforcing all the rules it wouldn't give much time for actual life. I imagine he must be sporting a stop watch around his neck for the 30 second rule. As Gloria says, it's most likely the product of some juvenile chat room banter. It's exactly the type of warped mentality I was talking about in my "Please help me to understand..." thread. Imagine, this is the sort of person giving advise as a "lifestyle" expert.


Well as you know I don't really believe in contracts. Not that I don't know people who use them. Even real time people. They just are not for me. I'd rather have a stronger bond than a piece of paper.
The problem I see with these rules which I did not say before were. If you look at one of the rules. It says something like when IMing with Master you must be in front of the cam at all times.
That is a hint they are not real time.
Also, How long does it take the UPS man to notify the authorities?
After all the doorbell rings, she is naked, chained and crawling to open the door.
Somebody would at the very least be hauled in for questioning.

Standard dom set of rules as someone said. No, standard online set of rules. For those of us living real life by our dominants rules. I just don't see how many could live like that. After all subs and people and so are dominants. Would he want to stand there every day of his life counting to 30? If she messed up, then what? Where is the rest of the contract? There has to be more.
Contracts are meant to be upheld in my opinion. I know many would disagree and tell me they were meant to be broken. If I sign something I'm certainly going to try to do my absolute best to do a good job.




TallDarkAndWitty -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (3/14/2005 7:31:04 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Taggard, you claim you KNOW these people????? And you believe they're REAL???? Wow - you lost a little credibility.


I am not sure I had much credibility to begin with, but what little I have I would gladly spend for the authors of this contract. *smile*

As far as meeting in person, I haven't done that yet. But am I quite looking forward to that happening quite soon. (Though not soon enough!!!)

Taggard




willing2serve -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (3/14/2005 7:55:46 AM)

quote:

I am not sure where you got this, but I know who's rules they are. The are used very much in a real time manner, and, as far as I can tell, with great effect.


Scoot over Taggard, let me on the bandwagon with you.....I too have seen these rules, and if i remember correctly, the author of this service contract, made a comment to the effect, He had waited so many years, 20+ years for such an amazing M/s relationship and He will run it as he sees appropriate. (not quoted directly).

Therefore, i think we all need to get down to the basic principles, the success of a M/s relationship is based on the dynamics between the two.

If we see contracts of this sort that we don't seem to understand or see how it would fit into our lives, that is the time to back up and punt and say, hey...great, it works for them..... Instead of any critical, negative feedbacks, however in the larger picture doensn't matter what we think anyway. [:D].

If my Sir, asked me to stand on my head 20 minutes a day and balance a an apple on my foot while thinking of his control in my life. I'm sure some would think how ridiculous, but in my heart if he asked me to do this, i would know he had a purpose and would only benefit me.
It's all about what dynamics work for your relationship.







feline -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (3/14/2005 12:17:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

quote:

Anyone who would write such rules, or worse yet, think someone would actually want to LIVE by those rules is a megalomaniac!


You said it!


quote:

As Gloria says, it's most likely the product of some juvenile chat room banter. It's exactly the type of warped mentality I was talking about in my "Please help me to understand..." thread. Imagine, this is the sort of person giving advise as a "lifestyle" expert.



Imagine!!! I find the idea quite amusing myself. Would you follow this persons advice?


quote:

How boring to live under such control?



I don't know if I would say boring, ridiculus maybe.


quote:

I don't think even the Anne Rice apostles would believe this to be functional in a real time relationship, let alone 24/7.



So you find this as unbelieveable as I do?


quote:

Taggard, you claim you KNOW these people????? And you believe they're REAL???? Wow - you lost a little credibility. Let me guess you just KNOW them from some chat room. You've never really met right? If anything they always have some last minute excuse or never come through when there needs to be a commitment. Maybe you met one, him I'm sure, but his "slave" was always committed elsewhere, and his toy bag was in the other car. Was he also 350 pounds, pockmarked, with a pocket protector in the breast pocket of his yellow tinged sweat marked white shirt?



It's ok Taggard we all understand. Sometimes people just get sucked in by the phonies. Live and learn.


quote:

Rules between people are personal, I respect anyone's and wouldn't make fun or mock any I thought were real, or I wasn't involved with personally. I believe strongly that I can stand behind that statement when it comes to these.



I couldn't agree with you more. They stop being personal when someone sends them over the internet for everyone to see. So you agree that these aren't real? Hhmmm.



Personally, I like contracts. Everything gets put out front and on the table. I like to know what is expected of me as well as what is expected of him. I have had contracts in the past, and I must say, they looked nothing like this. For me it's a personal thing, A real contact takes time and effort. It let's me know that person is thinking not only of me, but the relatinship as well. I could go on but I won't.

Have a nice day! [:D]

feline






TallDarkAndWitty -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (3/14/2005 12:21:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: feline

It's ok Taggard we all understand. Sometimes people just get sucked in by the phonies. Live and learn.


Yes...I really must be more careful. I am just so naive and gullible.

Taggard




nella -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (3/14/2005 12:33:53 PM)

i have seen this contract before, and i can not say that anyone could not live by them, it are not for me, but some might find it useful.




GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (3/14/2005 6:35:51 PM)

The rules portion which is included in My contracts is for the slave's benefit as far as referring to and learning the rules. They are just included in the contract for the sake of convenience, and also indicates that the slave has read them and has agreed and signed.
My rules have a tenddancy to be more on the service oriented side, as opposed to the sexual areas, as the largest percentage of a live-ins life is about non-sexual service (with Me, that is). So it is helpful to have these things clearly understood up front.
Regarding a journal...I say a page a day, handwritten, and I do spend time each week reading, discussing and I initial the entries. It is a good discipline.
Ya know, whatever works for any relationship, is a good thing.
I don't find Myself bogged down by too many rules, and there is always flexibility in given situations. But I have found that most of the boys really want to know, and need some sort of strict guidelines they can agree to, learn and become acclimated to. It seems to make clear My expectations, and they don't have to play a guessing game.




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