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I don't believe I was sidestepping, Rich, but adding a perspective.

There is ofensive language and then there is offensive language. In this case Coulter's is a notch above merely heated. I am certain if a liberal commentator had used such an epithet at a Democrat rally there would have been solid condemnation as well. Perhaps you have a specific counterexample. So far all I have seen is generalities that apply equally to both sides.

To put things in another perspective, there is only one person, in the article, actually calling for a blanket condemnation of Coulters comments by the R candidates. It's not like the left rose with one voice, demanding the right take back every nasty thing ever said about the Dems. This thread seems to be wanting to inflate the incident not to mention twist it to look one sided.

IMHO.

Z.

Let me give you an example from the left..
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1794568/posts

Bill Maher

So, Sternhand4, how do you feel about this example?  Should Bill Maher have his show taken from him everytime he says something inflammatory or controversial?  i don't feel his other show should have been cancelled, let alone this one.  How can he have a program where such issues are openly discussed if he has to fear the thought/language police at every turn?  He's not advocating that someone go assassinate Cheney.  He's merely speaking his mind that, as Cheney is viewed by some to be at least partly responsible for the ongoing deaths in Iraq, perhaps if he wasn't still in charge of that cluster f**k, so many more might not die in the future.  i'm not agreeing with that statement, per se, but it could indeed be a valid point.  Saying something could have a certain impact if done is NOT the same thing as saying it should be done.....i think those on both sides of the ideological fence need to take a deep breath, ratchet it down a few notches, quit being so thin-skinned, and just actually LISTEN to what is being said rather than going into histrionics everytime someone on the "other" side says something they don't totally embrace........JMHO.....slave luci

Do I think it should be taken from him for what he said, or the ideas that he express's?  No. He has the right to state anythingfoolish that he wants. I think that as a consumer I would not go out of my way to "support" his show by watching it. Which would make him less marketable. If he loses his show for that reason, then I'd be ok with it.
War is always an ugly thing.and people die. Nothing will change that. The question always tends to be what are you willing to fight for.
If you read alot of the threads here you find that some are willing to fight and some are strongly opposed.
I find that I'd rather have us fighting in any other country but ours.
That sounds harsh, but I have no desire to see school buses, police stations etc, blown up here.
If you wait to fight people like Al queda here then they have already started to win.

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slaveluci - I think you'll find that as much as people can be quite partisan here they can also be reasonable. And while the same people tend to lock horns in the same way over similar issues, the lines are not always predictable.

Much as in the "real" world, then?  i find that's how most people usually are and that's a good thing. 

You seem to have a balanced approach and some fresh ideas, and that is welcome. Of course there is the danger of standing in the middle of the road and all that... LOL.

Thanks for the compliment.  There is definite danger in the middle of the road and i do try to avoid being there, for sure.    My opinions are very rarely middle of the road or centrist, it's just that age has taught me to be accepting of other's differing views and to try to debate respectfully so i try to contain myself a bit.  If you were a fly on the wall sometimes....lol....you'd never think i was anywhere in the middle....

On topic: I don't suppose the comments by Bill Maher were universally condoned by the left, were they?

No comments by anyone of any perspective are actually ever "universally"condoned or condemned.  Fortunately, groupthink isn't that prevalant....yet

And while I am sure the calls for the censure of Ann Coulter in this instance, were not confined to the one person, I think a wider expression of outrage is both expected and reasonable.

Being outraged over what she said is fine.  But trying to censure or censor her, to me, is not.  Where does a policy like that end?  Now, if she went on TV and said, "I hate faggots.  Let's go gay-bash" then i could agree with taking action against her words.  For her to simply insinuate that Edwards is a "faggot" is a juvenile stunt and not dangerous words.  Tactless and ignorant?  Sure.  But necessitating action against her?  Not at all in my opinion. 
 
Her use of the term faggot is not just an unpleasantry.  Differences in degree are relevent. 

Basically, based on what i just wrote above, i feel it IS exactly that.  An unpleasantry that shows her juvenile, bullying tendencies but really nothing more.  i agree that there are definitely degrees but the problem comes in with #1- what are they? and most importantly #2 - WHO gets to decide what they are?  i definitely don't want someone like Coulter deciding what's appropriate for me and i'm sure she'd feel the same way about me......
sincerely,
slave luci


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Life would be very boring if we all agreed.

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It long predates any current administration, MC.  The most bigoted, rascist filth (anti-semitism in particular) can come from the mouths of the Left, and all is quickly forgiven.  Not so for the Right.

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Ann Coulter recently bashed the families of 9-11 in her book. I thought that this was so vile that she should apologize then. Cheney is just doing his part to distance the GOP from her because she is a vile puke. Now I think they should let her spew because a large part of the Republican base is just like her.. they love her,... that is why they worship her... oh yeah, let her speak

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It long predates any current administration, MC.  The most bigoted, rascist filth (anti-semitism in particular) can come from the mouths of the Left, and all is quickly forgiven.  Not so for the Right.

I am not anti-semitic because I dislike Israeli policy anymore than I am anti-Sudanese for disliking the genocide that they are doing, or Anti-Islamic for disliking the terrorist state of Saudi Arabia.. Israel, the Saudis, Sudan, all repressive regimes.

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Ann's on record as saying: "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."

Anyone who supports her, supports the terrorists. Simple enough.

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Ann's on record as saying: "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."

Anyone who supports her, supports the terrorists. Simple enough.

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It's not the NYT. It's the idea of supporting those who would use terror and mayhem while sending our troops to die to combat terror and mayhem.

When your entire gig is built on fighting terror, and you have people dying to fight terror, the idea of promoting terror is sickening.

There are people who supported Eric Rudolph. Same mental disease.

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It's okay farglebargle, really. There are plenty of Leftists who back and support terrorism - you just don't hear nearly as much about them because of the double standard. Here's a perfect example:

http://newsbusters.org/node/11169

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That's a lie - Ann Coulter did not bash 9-11 families in her book, though she did take some 9-11 "widows" to task for using their husbands' tragedies for political gain.

But something I find highly amusing is that, from where I sit, you and Ann Coulter are exact mirror images of each other, except she's rich, famous, intellectually honest, and I think that Ann Coulter is much better looking. But the similarity is, your vile words about "most Republicans" are no better than the things that come out of Ann Coulters' mouth about you and your kind. Perhaps that's why you hate her so much - you're so much like her, and she's who you see when you look in the mirror! 

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9/11 Widows
"These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by grief-arazzis... These self-obsessed women seemed genuinely unaware that 9/11 was an attack on our nation and acted as if the terrorist attacks happened only to them... I’ve never seen people enjoying their husbands’ deaths so much."

Excerpt which caused most media controversy Godless: The Church of Liberalism June 2006[1][2]

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And to all who say that Coulter is mirroring Franken....And quotes of Franken spewing his kind of venom can "easily" be found...Please back up this claim with some quotes. I would like to read them.

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And to all who say that Coulter is mirroring Franken....And quotes of Franken spewing his kind of venom can "easily" be found...Please back up this claim with some quotes. I would like to read them.