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thornhappy -> RE: Freud Was Used to Control the Masses (4/10/2007 3:59:40 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Czarist forgery of what ?
Debunked by whom ?
You have read them, and YOUR opinion is .....?
T
My opinion is that it's a great example of conspiracy theory propaganda. About as worthless as another great piece of propaganda, The Turner Diaries.
for short nswers to the first 2 questions, check out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion.
If you want the longer explanation, the following is from: http://ddickerson.igc.org/The_Protocols_of_the_Learned_Elders_of_Zion.pdf
Sorry for the length & lack of white space, it's a clip from a .pdf
"The conceptual inspiration for the Protocols can be traced
back to the time of the French Revolution at the end of the 18th
century. At that time, a French Jesuit named Abbe Barruel,
representing reactionary elements opposed to the revolution,
published in 1797 a treatise blaming the Revolution on a secret
conspiracy operating through the Order of Freemasons. Barruel's
idea was nonsense, since the French nobility at the time was heavily
Masonic, but he was influenced by a Scottish mathematician named
Robison who was opposed to the Masons. In his treatise, Barruel
did not himself blame the Jews, who were emancipated as a result
of the Revolution. However, in 1806, Barruel circulated a forged
letter, probably sent to him by members of the state police opposed
to Napoleon Bonaparte's liberal policy toward the Jews, calling
attention to the alleged part of the Jews in the conspiracy he had
earlier attributed to the Masons. This myth of an international Jewish
conspiracy reappeared later on in 19th century Europe in places such
as Germany and Poland.
The direct predecessor of the Protocols can be found in the pamphlet
"Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu," published by
the non-Jewish French satirist Maurice Joly in 1864. In his "Dialogues,"
ambitions of the emperor Napoleon III using the imagery of a diabolical
plot in Hell. The "Dialogues" were caught by the French authorities
soon after their publication and Joly was tried and sentenced to prison
for his pamphlet.
Joly's "Dialogues," while intended as a political satire, soon
fell into the hands of a German antisemite named Hermann Goedsche
writing under the name os Sir John Retcliffe. Goedsche was a postal
clerk and a spy for the Prussian secret police. He had been forced
to leave the postal work due to his part in forging evidence in the
prosecution against the Democratic leader Benedict Waldeck in 1849.
Goedsche adapted Joly's "Dialogues" into a mythical tale of a Jewish
conspiracy as part of a series of novels entitled "Biarritz," which
appeared in 1868. In a chapter called "The Jewish Cemetery in Prague
and the Council of Representatives of the Twelve Tribes of Israel,"
he spins the fantasy of a secret centennial rabbinical conference
which meets at midnight and whose purpose is to review the past
hundred years and to make plans for the next century.
Goedsche's plagiary of Joly's "Dialogues" soon found its way to
Russia. It was translated into Russian in 1872, and a consolidation
of the "council of representatives" under the name "Rabbi's Speech"
appeared in Russian in 1891. These works no doubt furnished the Russian
secret police (Okhrana) with a means with which to strengthen the
position of the weak Czar Nicholas II and discredit the reforms of
the liberals who sympathized with the Jews. During the Dreyfus case of
1893-1895, agents of the Okhrana in Paris redacted the earlier works
of Joly and Goedsche into a new edition which they called the "Protocols
of the Elders of Zion". The manuscript of the Protocols was brought
to Russia in 1895 and was printed privately in 1897."
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