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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/25/2007 9:22:25 PM

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A hundred sixty per month per houshold?
And Senator Abba Dabba from Illinois wants to "double foreign aid" if elected President.
When are those pukes going to start looking out for the people who voted for them?

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/26/2007 12:50:21 AM

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AMEN, popeye! We spend millions to feed people all over the world, when we have starving kids here in America. Our military people are risking thier lives, and they don't even make enough to support a household either. When my dad was in the navy, my mom worked 3 jobs. When I was in, i didn't know of many military wives that didn't have one job, and the active duty spouse have a part time job.

When my ex went to Korea, i relocated back to Iowa, as it was the cheaper of two places to live. This was in 1985, and i got about $260 in food stamps. Judging by the stats here, i was living high on the hog back then.

I'm not in favor of welfare, and the programs out there that support those too lazy to get a job, but the govt needs to start looking at taking care of their own before they run off to take care of the world. I'd love to see all of the people we put into office get by on what the "average American" does on a day to day basis....maybe then, there would be something done at home instead of all over the world.

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/26/2007 6:26:47 AM

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I think I posted this elsewhere, but I like Al Franken's concept of how to fix our economy.

The government spends a large amount of money to build the Big Giant Thing. This employs people, gives them jobs, requires an infrastructure to support the building of the Big Giant Thing.

When the Big Giant Thing is built, people travel from all over the country to go vacation at the Big Giant Thing.

This stimulates the economy a lot better than paying the CEO of Walmart (for example) 1,300 times more than the lowest paid employee at the store.

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/26/2007 7:57:22 AM

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Is it better to give a person a fish or teach them to fish. Welfare creates a dependency, I have seen it firsthand growing up. If the people needing help do not have cellphones, MP3 players, cable/satelite TV, then they are indeed just getting by. Eggs, rice, noodles, a few spices and you can get by as long as you have some supplements as well. I am not sure what this test of that Gov is really supposed to show. Is it supposed to show how bad the job market is there so people have to live on food stamps?

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/26/2007 8:08:36 AM

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Maybe I am mistaken, but I am under the impression that welfare reforms have made it very difficult for ABLE bodied adults to abuse the system. I believe that CHILDREN and folks who are NOT able bodied are the primary groups that the system is serving. I am sure that there are undoubtedly abuses but I am not willing to punish the children and folks who legitimately can not provide for themselves for the misdeeds of others. I would not wish to see my children or disabled family members having to "get by" on eggs, rice, noodles and supplements.

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/26/2007 8:29:30 AM

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Impressions can sometimes be misleading. Drive through some section 8 government housing and see how many have cable wires or satelite TV. See how many have nice cars. I am not speaking down to those that are have hard times, I grew up in it and worked hard to get out of it.

Children living in poverty is sad, but the parents should not have started a family until they could afford one or do as I did, work a full time job, two part time jobs and any odd job that pays money.

The eggs, rice, noodles and supplements is what I did for a while, along with living out of the back of my car, while I saved to get a place. Often things can be done, if one tries hard enough. Most of the government welfare programs, that I have seen firsthand, create a dependency upon the government to take care of you. It often relieves the person of the responsibility of taking care of themselves, their family from taking care of them, or their local community doing it.

I try to make rules that fit the majority of the situations, not the exceptions. I am often seen as a callous and mean person, I don't really care because those that are close to me I push harder so they can become better.

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Maybe I am mistaken, but I am under the impression that welfare reforms have made it very difficult for ABLE bodied adults to abuse the system. I believe that CHILDREN and folks who are NOT able bodied are the primary groups that the system is serving. I am sure that there are undoubtedly abuses but I am not willing to punish the children and folks who legitimately can not provide for themselves for the misdeeds of others. I would not wish to see my children or disabled family members having to "get by" on eggs, rice, noodles and supplements.

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/26/2007 8:44:30 AM

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Children living in poverty is sad, but the parents should not have started a family until they could afford one or do as I did, work a full time job, two part time jobs and any odd job that pays money.

Again I say that I am not willing to punish the children for the misdeeds or poor judgement of their parents.

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The eggs, rice, noodles and supplements is what I did for a while, along with living out of the back of my car, while I saved to get a place.

Try doing that with a couple of small children.

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Most of the government welfare programs, that I have seen firsthand, create a dependency upon the government to take care of you. It often relieves the person of the responsibility of taking care of themselves, their family from taking care of them, or their local community doing it.

The system is certainly not without it's flaws, you will get no argument from me on that. However, it is currently the only system we have and I can not in good conscience support abandoning it knowing full well that many innocents would suffer greatly. If you have ever read my posts you will see that I am a far cry from what anyone could call a "bleeding heart"....but I do have one.

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/26/2007 8:51:40 AM

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fast reply to no one in particular.

i'm on food stamps only though my oldest UM via SSI (due to her medical condition) and i can tell you from firsthand experience the amount she gets if budgeted right feed a single family of 1 adult and 2 UMs right. the key is shopping smart - instead of shopping at the grocery store, i shop bulk at Aldi's and at Wal-Mart (yes at that evil place many of you so dispise) ...fruits/veggies and meat i get at the local wholesale meat market (way cheaper than Jewel's and Dominick's here). also, you have to learn to plan meals a month ahead - i do less frying and microwaveable and more broiling and baking ...my UMs do eat healthy every single day.

HOWEVER before everyone starts condemning me for being on food stamps / the "system", no, i'm not abusing it ...yes, i do work however i'm caring for a UM who has traumatic brain disorders and seizures ...and probably for the rest of my life. i never asked God for her to be hit by a train ...my ex to leave me in a lurch when i needed him the most etc... etc - things did happen for a reason.

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/26/2007 9:01:54 AM

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I admit I don't have a source handy, but I've read that there are people on food stamps who do have jobs. Wal-Mart reportedly helps employees apply for food stamps.

I work a part time job at a grocery store, it helps me save money and the union benefits are actually better than the ones my day job gives me, and many of the people I work with are on food stamps.

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/26/2007 9:03:34 AM

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I have done it with one small child and a wife. There was more added in for my daughter, and with the help of family, my hard work, and a short time with WIC vouchers, we got by.

Suffering and punishment is two seperate things. Suffering and pain is part of life and often teaches us things.

This is nothing wrong with these programs to temporarily assist those that have hit hard times. If someone is suffering because of past choices, that is how life is supposed to teach us. If the government is there to do things, we should be doing on our own then what does it teach us?

Life is hard, life is harsh, deal with it correctly and you value it more.

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Children living in poverty is sad, but the parents should not have started a family until they could afford one or do as I did, work a full time job, two part time jobs and any odd job that pays money.

Again I say that I am not willing to punish the children for the misdeeds or poor judgement of their parents.

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The eggs, rice, noodles and supplements is what I did for a while, along with living out of the back of my car, while I saved to get a place.

Try doing that with a couple of small children.

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Most of the government welfare programs, that I have seen firsthand, create a dependency upon the government to take care of you. It often relieves the person of the responsibility of taking care of themselves, their family from taking care of them, or their local community doing it.

The system is certainly not without it's flaws, you will get no argument from me on that. However, it is currently the only system we have and I can not in good conscience support abandoning it knowing full well that many innocents would suffer greatly. If you have ever read my posts you will see that I am a far cry from what anyone could call a "bleeding heart"....but I do have one.

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/26/2007 3:05:22 PM

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i can understand Your point. i too agree it is ridiculous to see people on food stamps with items many consider"luxuries".

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/26/2007 4:51:15 PM

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I've lived on less.

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I recieved them briefly (in Oregon no less) as a college student working less than 25 hours a week (I think that was the criterion. It's been a while). $111 a month and I was eating very well.

You've lived on less? Not based upon the example given. You received $111 a month....back when you were in college (what was that, like 20 years ago?). These folks are receiving about $80 a month and trying to make it through at TODAY'S cost of living.

That was very pleasant time, Mist. The aid was strictly an augment and I was amazed when a roomate told me I would qualify.

My days of the Bataan death march budget are much more recent. I wanted to clear a debt as quickly as possible, and set my food budget at $15 a week (ok, I wasn't above dropping in on family around dinnertime a couple nights a week). It wasn't easy, or savory. When I ran out of pepper, I took a handful of packets from the snack bar in a gas station. Ramen. Beans and rice. 2 for 99 cents corn dogs. It will keep you going.

I have little but contempt for those who will sit on their asses and whine that the charity ain't enough. God forbid they should find motivation to get off those asses in the desire for a better quality of life.

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/26/2007 4:58:41 PM

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Wal-Mart again....

In 4,676 posts, I believe that was my first mention of Wal-Mart, actually.

Just the topic in general, DC. I didn't mean to sound snarky.

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