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Is there possibly a double standard here? Hell yes I s... - 5/7/2007 5:09:39 PM   
unsung


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I am finding so much irony on this board, I shake my head wondering just where are alot of you coming from.

On one hand you have problems with making definitions on what is or what makes a sub a sub, a slave a slave, defining real from true, what makes a dom and / or the difference between the both.  The number of threads that go back and forth with a hell of alot of sarcasm applied to them as well.  As if everyone should know and if they do or don't well slam them.

However most recently is a d-type coming here, inquiring to the opinions from subs on what they would have done and how he should have responded, and the cut down of the sub at how completely ungrateful she was.

I am curious how anyone can make judgement when they don't believe in global definitions.  Is their a separate world out there that makes it sensible to not have definitions yet enables others to judge the unknown characterists of another all in the same breathe.  It all seems quite hypocritical to me.
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RE: Is there possibly a double standard here? Hell yes... - 5/7/2007 5:16:56 PM   
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Let me splain. I been down this road a time or two.

Most people here really don't want any definitions. (learned this the hard way)

We are not supposed to talk about double standards. (learned this from someone else doing it the hard way)

Don't worry....someone will probably be along in just a moment to turn this into a debate on the second amendment. (Look around, there's enough evidence of this to speak for itself)

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RE: Is there possibly a double standard here? Hell yes... - 5/7/2007 5:19:13 PM   
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This is what I do, I have my opinions and beliefs and I stick by them. If people do not like them they are welcome to block me or just skip reading my posts. What it comes down to is everyone has their own perspective on things and some people feel they have the right to try and shove them down the throats of others, some play nicely, some like to debate things around. But the bottom line is your life is your own, live it your way and don't worry about what a bunch of people on some message board say. In BDSM there are no rules written in stone except the ones you make for your own lifestyle.

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RE: Is there possibly a double standard here? Hell yes... - 5/7/2007 5:44:59 PM   
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Yes, but isn't this really an analogy for the illegal wiretaps and loss of rights that has earmarked this current administration?

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RE: Is there possibly a double standard here? Hell yes... - 5/7/2007 6:46:42 PM   
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I tend to let people apply their own label to themselves. I do not worry much about it.

I think I know which thread you speak of, but I am unsure of how this question sprang from it

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RE: Is there possibly a double standard here? Hell yes... - 5/7/2007 6:55:42 PM   
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There's a double standard here like there is everywhere. The women pick and choose and the men just get lucky lol

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RE: Is there possibly a double standard here? Hell yes... - 5/7/2007 7:00:38 PM   
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People are usually doing the best, or worst, they can with what they have.  It doesn't mean they're doing a good job.  It just means they're human.  It's in our nature to pass judgement.  Have you gotten mad at someone who cut you off in traffic?  Probably.  Could it have been for a perfectly justifiable reason that has also happened to you at some point?  Probably.  Did you take this into account and not get angry and judge them?  Probably not.  We can't possibly know everyone's circumstances.  If we did, our brain would explode.  We couldn't possibly not make judgements or there would be no concretes and we'd go insane.

Should we do the best with what we have and encourage others to do the same?  Definitely.

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RE: Is there possibly a double standard here? Hell yes... - 5/7/2007 7:09:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MellowSir

There's a double standard here like there is everywhere. The women pick and choose and the men just get lucky lol


NOT  speak for yourself!  LOL


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RE: Is there possibly a double standard here? Hell yes... - 5/7/2007 7:10:37 PM   
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just argue that your definition is correct and tey are all fucked up!  after all like beauty it is all in the mind of the beholder.

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RE: Is there possibly a double standard here? Hell yes... - 5/12/2007 3:06:42 AM   
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My thoughts spring from the nuiances of this board in general.  There are many questions on definitions and many responses that suggest that people chose what works for them and their partner as really the relationships are about and between the dynamics of the individuals and a small exent affected by the community if they chose to engage in that social setting.

With that said, it leaves me wondering if it is stated that it to each their own and labels do not apply, how is anyone in a position to say that the actions of an individual where wrong, and especially when the extent of the dynamic is unknown including the personalities that are involved.  Is there are standardized set of rules that submissives, slaves, doms etc follow; a universal protocol ?  I would bid to differ if anyone stated yes there was, as I have spoken to a number of d types and each has been different and each has different expectations.  Not one has been the same and this is true for submissives and slaves as well.

The thread that triggered this is due to how quickly the actions of the submissive was called on and determined ungreatful, with little hesitation as well.  Surely we must have standards in the world of economics, it is the settling that allows junk to be placed on the shelves for us consumers.  And because a d type goes to some degree of work to provide a gift and because we are classed as submissive accept a lower standard just because?  I don't know if you can see the irony I see here.  We want the best of partners for a mate yet we seem to allow a lesser standard of acceptance.

Another thing that I find most annoying is how quickly the judgement on whom the finger is being pointed rather on the messenger.  If I was to come to this board and pose a question of concern I certainly would not do so without any previous thought regarding the issue and what and how I may have party to the troubles.  Like the threads 'i have been dumped and don't know why', surely rather than critizing the dumper and pointing our fingers at them whom are not present to defend their position, we look at the dumped (which a few do do) and place the focus to that individual for their growth rather just another pick me up thread on what a terrible person the dumper is. Yes, I am not overly sympathetic to fallouts as much as I would like to be; as I have found that the vast majority of fallouts have been the result of both parties involved aka both are at fault, hence the sympathy train short.  I can give dozens upon dozens of examples from my own experience as well as others however I am sure you understand the idea I am getting at.

If someone is or states they are submissive, they are in their own fashion.  I am different than most, and seek something slightly different than others around me.  How I deal with things is different than others, and there is no universal right or wrong in my dealings as long as I am around others that are acceptant and knowledgeable enough to make judgement of me the way I am.  Hence do not judge me until you have enough background information to do so informatively; which I might state is one most notorious hypocracies on this board.  If labels do not exist, how can you define me or others and how can you say what is right and what is wrong?  You can't not logically anyhow, and in this I find irony.  I was using me as an example julieaoceania not stating you are doing the above; just putting myself and you into the lines to explain the logic I have been pondering here and for that reason alone, rather than some other unsuspecting victim.

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RE: Is there possibly a double standard here? Hell yes... - 5/12/2007 3:12:24 AM   
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I think the main thing to remember is...this is the Internet.  Any and everyone can say whatever the hell they want.  Don't take all this so seriously.  Sure, some are trying to help or to explain what it is they do, some are here for comic relief, some are just assholes.  What does it really matter?  Are you actually going to take to heart something you "learn" from a series of pixels on a screen?  Take what makes sense to you, leave the rest and don't worry about it.

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RE: Is there possibly a double standard here? Hell yes... - 5/12/2007 3:16:40 AM   
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I used to think that standard labels do not exist because the majority do not want to be pinned down. I assumed that it was because they were lazy or wanted to run their scams. I have come around to believing that BDSM is a mystical experience which is ill suited for language, and that very few both understand their experience as well as  the use of language enough to try to pin their  experience down with current language.

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RE: Is there possibly a double standard here? Hell yes... - 5/12/2007 3:47:32 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MellowSir

There's a double standard here like there is everywhere. The women pick and choose and the men just get lucky lol


Very true, the only power a man has is not to care or just say no.

Not caring seems to pay dividends though and without all the false promises men always regret making.

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RE: Is there possibly a double standard here? Hell yes... - 5/12/2007 5:42:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: unsung
With that said, it leaves me wondering if it is stated that it to each their own and labels do not apply, how is anyone in a position to say that the actions of an individual where wrong, and especially when the extent of the dynamic is unknown including the personalities that are involved
Don't you know that "to each their own" and "labels do not apply" only applies until someone thinks you're wrong?  Then, you don't have the right to your own beliefs, opinions, and labels without being told how in error they are?  It is so important that you live your life the way you choose to.  Coming here to read and/or seek advice is fine but if you are going to actually pattern your life around what you glean here, you're going to need meds.  There are those who will agree with you and those who will tell you you don't even have a clue as to the best way to lead your own life. 
 
For instance, i live everyday in a wonderfully happy life as a devoted slave to my Master.  i can log on here and read how i'm not even a slave according to the definition of some stranger who doesn't even have a master.  Am i then to doubt what i know is true?  Master and i share a relationship where i am free to speak with Him about anything and am under no speech restrictions, per se.  If i were to internalize everything i read here, i would believe that because i don't say, "Master, oh Master, may this one have permission to speak, Master?," i'm not acting appropriately.  The examples could go on and on but the point it:  do what works for you proudly.  Apply your OWN labels and don't give a flying flip about how others try to determine if you're "real" enough or "true" enough.  i think the key is to take everything you read here with a grain of salt.  There are so many types of relationships and so many varied definitions of what's "right" and "good."  The thing is - if it works for you - it is right and good.  Read and discuss all you want - and always be willing to learn and grow if you come across some information or advice that can really benefit you.  Just don't take the rest too seriously......Blessings.....slave luci


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RE: Is there possibly a double standard here? Hell yes... - 5/12/2007 5:54:38 AM   
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Well, when someone comes on to the boards and ASKS for opinions and judgements about a situation that they are incapable of forming their own opinion or judgement about, that is a license to present aforesaid opinions and judgements and all previous protocols and ironies are null and void. 

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RE: Is there possibly a double standard here? Hell yes... - 5/12/2007 6:08:31 AM   
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Well, when someone comes on to the boards and ASKS for opinions and judgements about a situation that they are incapable of forming their own opinion or judgement about, that is a license to present aforesaid opinions and judgements and all previous protocols and ironies are null and void. 
lol...i would agree overall except to say that i don't necessarily think everyone asks because they are incapable of forming their own opinions or judgements.  That does happen but i've also read some OP's where sincere people have formed well-thought out opinions and judgements and are simply wondering how others feel.  These are discussion boards so coming here to see how others feel makes sense.  Also, believe me, one doesn't have to ask for opinions and judgements to get them.  i have started only one thread and it wasn't about a personal issue.  i have never posted questions asking  anyone else to tell me their judgements on anything to do with my relationship but have, on occasion, received them anyway.  i would have to agree, though, that coming to the boards with a personal question does open the door to having all kinds of mud slung one's way (and some good advice and fresh perspectives every now and then)............slave luci


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