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RE: responsibilities of a Gorean Free - 5/8/2007 7:42:27 PM   
shanaT


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Status: offline 		Why thank you m things are better than rosey.  Actually you were given a lot of good advice m  you just don't like what was said.  As this is not a Gorean forum m sh`ana will just say well wishes and leave

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RE: responsibilities of a Gorean Free - 5/8/2007 8:33:17 PM   
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What does seem to come to one's mind is the fact that frequently if not almost emphatically Gorean Free post of taking care of their property, and increasing it's value. It would seem that to do this..to make that property productive, and of value to them..it would require a certain measure of responsibility, and maintenance. The hows, whens, whys, wheres are up to the Owners as only they know whats needed or not but to do otherwise seems counter productive to what is almost a hallmark ideal of a Gorean Free.

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RE: responsibilities of a Gorean Free - 5/8/2007 9:24:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ehmCB

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m has been a bit confused as of late and m has a question if she may. does an Owner have any responsibilites to what is His?

well wishes

m


Yeah. He's got the responsibilities he agreed to take on. In our relationship, Valyraen took on the responsibility of making sure I need a bare minimum of hugs, cuddles, head scratches (read: affection) to ensure my mental well-being. A surplus of these things are earned. He also agreed to provide a minimum amount of sex so that I don't go completely bonkers (long story) and he agreed to continue to love and respect me as a human being as well as his personal toy.

There is more of course, and it all varies from relationship to relationship, but those are the ones that pop into my head at the moment.

Edited to Add: A valid point was made... we aren't Gorean. We don't do things the Gorean way and the advice you get here may have no application to your lifestyle. If you did not like the answers you got in the Gorean forum then perhaps you should consider if that is the lifestyle you want. I'm not saying one is better then the other, please understand, but it's a point you may want to consider.

My .02

< Message edited by AquaticSub -- 5/8/2007 9:30:07 PM >

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RE: responsibilities of a Gorean Free - 5/9/2007 2:57:08 AM   
RavenMuse


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Status: offline 		A number of issues here.

1) you where not being attacked in the origional thread, you simply didn't like what was being said by your fellow Goreans. Which does indeed cast this thread in the light of a 'pissy tantrum'

2) you are 'supposed' to be Gorean which makes ANY protocol issue here a Gorean one, this is NOT a Gorean board. Why seek the advice of the non-Goreans on a Gorean issue except as an attention seeking 'pissy tantrum'? Unless you are looking to step away from Gor, advice on issues of protocol from here aren't going to be particularly relevant.

3) There are responcibilitys. In this case specificaly Gorean ones. Are you publicaly questioning wether your Owner is a Man or just a man? If so, then after such disrespect can you really expect to still be wearing that collar? Or maybe that is what you want? After all it WOULD solve your current 'problem', but if that happens you seriously need to look at your own suitability for the Gorean lifestyle.


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RE: responsibilities of a Gorean Free - 5/9/2007 4:39:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nicely said Raven.

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RE: responsibilities of a Gorean Free - 5/9/2007 5:39:10 AM   
earthycouple


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Status: offline 		Wow...and this is why I'm a reality based wanker...I went to the link and saw the origional post.  I wonder what makes this person feel, if she's really Gor, that not listening to the Mistress in the Gor thread about shutting up was a good idea?

Dear heavens give me a man who knows how to submit without being micromanaged every moment of every day and doesn't whine when his chosen lifestyle isn't perfect.

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RE: responsibilities of a Gorean Free - 5/9/2007 6:05:14 AM   
BOUNTYHUNTER


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Status: offline 		SNIP..."Even in the Gorean realm, a slave can leave. This is earth after all."This is the flaw in most Gorean arguments,they say"I live my life the gorean way, by the books and yet changes the rules to suite them selfs and their situation,no damm wonder some girls are confused ,Girl reading the books and trying live the way John has written them" By taking the part of the sum which you want to use and live makes those that espouse all of this a fraud..IF you say you are GOREAN then live it...When a girl is versed in the GOREAN lifestyle then she should know what to expect,to be use as property nothing less nothing more.There are no alpha girls, sure some may have favorites but gor is gor..bounty 

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RE: responsibilities of a Gorean Free - 5/9/2007 6:37:31 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ehmCB

greetngs Masters
greetings Mistress's



m has been a bit confused as of late and m has a question if she may. does an Owner have any responsibilites to what is His?

well wishes

m


This and the other thread that spawned it show me very well why I could never be Gorean. I am just not slavish enough to allow some stranger to tell me to shut up on a message board, and me and my Dom do not care much what anyone else thinks outside of our own dynamic, much less what strangers on message boards think of it.

Some have suggested that you are not good enough for the Gorean lifestyle, I would take that as a compliment personally. I would also say, that if your needs are not being met, leave, find someone that does not think that your slave-self/submissive self means you cannot have feelings or question.

I do not know if you are a drama queen or not... but one thing seems certain, you seem very unhappy... and I send you light and good thoughts, and if you do lose your collar, I hope you can take stock of things and find what fulfills you. Personally, being in a lifestyle in which I was told to shut up by total strangers and this was seen as acceptable to my Dom, it would not work for me. I just prefer someone that runs his household by his own thoughts and not the opinions of people on message boards.

Good luck

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RE: responsibilities of a Gorean Free - 5/9/2007 6:43:36 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ehmCB

greetngs Masters
greetings Mistress's



m has been a bit confused as of late and m has a question if she may. does an Owner have any responsibilites to what is His?

well wishes

m


If a man owns a piece of land and decides to dump tons of Roundup on it every year, who is to say that is wrong necessarily, it is done the world over.

There are good and bad stewards of the land.

You can go from there.

Ron

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RE: responsibilities of a Gorean Free - 5/9/2007 7:16:06 AM   
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There are good and bad stewards


Yep, Dom, Master, Gorean, Top, whatever.  Some are good some are bad.
To echo Julia, regardless of lifestyle choice, if it's not working, think about what you are doing there.
I consider the Gorean culture to be weird and it would never work for me, for a number of reasons, but if it works for others, good for them.  I rarely go to the Gore forums because I just don't get any of that stuff.  And to ask non-Goreans about it really isn't going to be helpful.


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RE: responsibilities of a Gorean Free - 5/9/2007 7:32:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied
I rarely go to the Gore forums because I just don't get any of that stuff.  And to ask non-Goreans about it really isn't going to be helpful.


Quite. I have some degree of common ground and thus do wander in from time to time but also enough diffrences (Free or not NO-ONE but ME tells MY girl what to do, she submits ONLY to Me) that I would never take the Gorean lable.

But bringing a specificaly Gorean 'problem' (The title ensures it can't be read any other way) to a non-Gorean board is specificaly looking to cause tension between the two groups because this is an issue of Gorean protocol not just a general issue.

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RE: responsibilities of a Gorean Free - 5/9/2007 7:49:27 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

ORIGINAL: ehmCB

greetngs Masters
greetings Mistress's



m has been a bit confused as of late and m has a question if she may. does an Owner have any responsibilites to what is His?

well wishes

m


This and the other thread that spawned it show me very well why I could never be Gorean. I am just not slavish enough to allow some stranger to tell me to shut up on a message board, and me and my Dom do not care much what anyone else thinks outside of our own dynamic, much less what strangers on message boards think of it.

Some have suggested that you are not good enough for the Gorean lifestyle, I would take that as a compliment personally. I would also say, that if your needs are not being met, leave, find someone that does not think that your slave-self/submissive self means you cannot have feelings or question.

I do not know if you are a drama queen or not... but one thing seems certain, you seem very unhappy... and I send you light and good thoughts, and if you do lose your collar, I hope you can take stock of things and find what fulfills you. Personally, being in a lifestyle in which I was told to shut up by total strangers and this was seen as acceptable to my Dom, it would not work for me. I just prefer someone that runs his household by his own thoughts and not the opinions of people on message boards.

Good luck

 again Julia you have made my day!

Also, whatever happened to asking your MASTER these questions?

Good Luck

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RE: responsibilities of a Gorean Free - 5/9/2007 7:59:52 AM   
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Also, whatever happened to asking your MASTER these questions?


This is why (from the other thread:

quote:

if a slave is told not to call her Master then how could she possibly ask Him anything? m told her Owner or rather left a message with Him that m would be posting in both SoB forums and the gorean Forums. He chose not to aske m of what she would be posting.


Evidently there is some sort of communication blackout going on.


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RE: responsibilities of a Gorean Free - 5/9/2007 8:04:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

quote:


Also, whatever happened to asking your MASTER these questions?


This is why (from the other thread:

quote:

if a slave is told not to call her Master then how could she possibly ask Him anything? m told her Owner or rather left a message with Him that m would be posting in both SoB forums and the gorean Forums. He chose not to aske m of what she would be posting.


Evidently there is some sort of communication blackout going on.



Ahhhh that would explain it!

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RE: responsibilities of a Gorean Free - 5/9/2007 8:09:18 AM   
KatyLied


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Ahhhh that would explain it!


And he may have good reasons for not wanting to talk to her.  Who knows?


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RE: responsibilities of a Gorean Free - 5/9/2007 8:14:46 AM   
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quote:

Ahhhh that would explain it!


And he may have good reasons for not wanting to talk to her.  Who knows?



Wonder if he knows about this thread.

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RE: responsibilities of a Gorean Free - 5/9/2007 8:15:08 AM   
drawntothedark


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quote:

Ahhhh that would explain it!


And he may have good reasons for not wanting to talk to her.  Who knows?



Kinda what I was thinking. He may have given an answer when he refused to answer her. I read the Gorean Thread and still really don't know the core of the problem other than a slave feeling neglected. Oh the drama!

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RE: responsibilities of a Gorean Free - 5/9/2007 8:26:04 AM   
KatyLied


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quote:

Wonder if he knows about this thread.

Oh the drama!


If only he would come here and post, imagine the fun!


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RE: responsibilities of a Gorean Free - 5/9/2007 4:29:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

ORIGINAL: ehmCB

greetngs Masters
greetings Mistress's



m has been a bit confused as of late and m has a question if she may. does an Owner have any responsibilites to what is His?

well wishes

m


This and the other thread that spawned it show me very well why I could never be Gorean. I am just not slavish enough to allow some stranger to tell me to shut up on a message board, and me and my Dom do not care much what anyone else thinks outside of our own dynamic, much less what strangers on message boards think of it.

Some have suggested that you are not good enough for the Gorean lifestyle, I would take that as a compliment personally. I would also say, that if your needs are not being met, leave, find someone that does not think that your slave-self/submissive self means you cannot have feelings or question.

I do not know if you are a drama queen or not... but one thing seems certain, you seem very unhappy... and I send you light and good thoughts, and if you do lose your collar, I hope you can take stock of things and find what fulfills you. Personally, being in a lifestyle in which I was told to shut up by total strangers and this was seen as acceptable to my Dom, it would not work for me. I just prefer someone that runs his household by his own thoughts and not the opinions of people on message boards.

Good luck


Funny thing is that is what got to me most about all this.. I would get rather angry if some strange female told ,,, no actually orderd me (as she did her) to shut up, she spoke as if SHE owned the girl and that was like WOW (I would not have taken that and I know Master would be disapointed if I did) anyway that may be ok on Gor but to me it just seem plain rude.
                  Any way, as someone els said dont Goreans take pride in how well they take care of their slaves, I mean any Master Gor or not can pretty much treat a slave however the slave allows them to treat them, so if you dont like the way you are beeing treated the answer is Gor or not you dont have to stay with him you have the right to leave and find someone who will treat you as you wish to be treated. I dont think it makes you less Gor to be unhappy and want more after all even Gorean slave chose their Masters based on if how those Masters treat them are how they want to be treated, but you cant expect others to tell you how your Master is treating you is wrong seeing as it is Gor he can treat you how he wishes if you allow it and you are allowing it and agreeing to it by staying with him. Just my thoughts on the situation.


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RE: responsibilities of a Gorean Free - 5/9/2007 4:40:18 PM   
cjenny


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Status: offline 		From what I know (granted it is not much), goreans hold their slaves to a particular standard. Not only that, but any one who is a Free Person has the ability to command a slave. There is a lot more to it ofcourse, if a FP tells a slave to do something against what her Master has said then her Master has final word, as he should.
It is ill-mannered for a slave to complain about her Master to others. It is ill-mannered for a slave to engage in public bickering or baiting.
A slave can only suggest that a complaining slave take it elsewhere but a Free Person can demand it especially if the complainers Master is not there to do it first.

It is very structured and every person going into that lifestyle is aware including the OP. A slave is not usually collared w/o her knowing what she is in for.

~Goreans, I am well aware that I gave just the barest of the bare. I wanted to keep it plain because IMO one of the reasons gor is oft misunderstood is because of the intricacies.

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