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justinasamerk -> RE: Daytime activities (5/13/2007 5:24:55 PM)
greetings Bella, wow, at first a girl would say just simply go out, get a job, get your ass out of the house and do something like that...that is harsh, judgemental and probably not productive, So a girl really thought about your Masters request and would like to offer a few ideas for the both of you.... so you live in a secluded wood lake type area..... 1)study meditation and sit by the lake coming into focus with your mind body spirit and nature connection, start a journal about what you see, feel, smell, the air, the sky, nature, even if something as little as a squirral passing by...start becomming one with nature-this can be followed up by learning local tree, vegetation, animal, bird migration and other natural knowledge 2)Volunteer your time with your neighbors, with the elderly, with local community outreach programs, with the "needy" 3)Practice dance, taichi, yoga, exercise, outside. Try balancing on a floating log, bowing, kneeling doing graceful movements, will become one with yourself and nature 4)Do something to beautify the lake-hedge some of the dead branches, clean up the edge of the lake from any debris, create a walking path around your land do something physical that can enhance the property and keep a girl active 5)There are ALWAYS Chores...think about it, does the fence need a touch up of paint? Does the wooden fixtures need to be cleaned and shined, has everything been dusted including edges of paintings, top of cabinents, Has the throw rug been hung out a beaten lately...does the curtains have a slight tear on one side that possibly needs to be sewn. There are so many little tiny ocd tasks that can be done on a daily basis, and we take for granted that it doesn't get done. This is an opportunity for both of your girls to really look over the house and see what needs to be done, plus it is a great test of awareness, prioritization, and what is seen. Well hope that helps, a girl was not trying to teach you how to run your household, and wishes you and your Master the best of luck and happiness, these are some of her ideas and hopefully it will bring you some help. Enjoy, have a wonderful evening Sincerely justina

bigskycountry -> RE: Daytime activities (5/13/2007 6:50:13 PM)
I am a huge proponent of expanding the knowledge and abilities of anyone under My charge. Instructions to learn a new language, learn gourmet cooking (one of my favorites, because it's something we can do together) and how to enhance one's palette, exploring the arts and films and music (a plus being that if they find somthing they enjoy and have a passion for, they may persue it), sewing and patternmaking can be rather fulfilling...especially when they are asked to create new gear or garments for My use/their exploration, and as touched upon before regarding butler-service, proper table settings and knowledge of the various tableware and stemware and it's specific applications and proper usage is, what I view, a very worthwhile pursuit. Many other refinements of character and presentation are, in this age, fundamental musts. If you were to examine the writings of someone in your keep, it would be to their benefit for you to ensure it be immaculate and concise. Since you mentioned that you live on a lake, it might behoove you to investigate the ecology of the property and devise a plan of action to make your landscaping more sybiotic with the ecosystem of said lake by replanting your soil with indigenous grasses and plantlife. Someone had also mentioned starting a working garden. When I lived in minneapolis, I found plant-keeping a wonderful way to teach responsibility (fishtanks are also apt for this).

Wyrd -> RE: Daytime activities (5/14/2007 8:33:04 AM)
I tend to assign my girls various craft work, refinishing tables, making small crafts, also since most of our food is not pre-processed, it does take them a bit longer to prepare, and they have to go out to the local markets to find the best foods.

wngsofstaindglas -> RE: Daytime activities (5/15/2007 4:28:02 PM)
christina "slavette" parker published a work book called "The Path Of Service" that is VERY good... Oh, there's also a book by Dr Robert Rubel. "Protocol: Handbook for the Female Slave"

AquaticSub -> RE: Daytime activities (5/15/2007 5:56:50 PM)
~Fast Reply~ How about painting and drawing? You have each other as models and the time holding still could be good practice if your master likes to use you as furniture. Also, try crafts. You can learn basket-weaving, crochet, knitting, and even how to make books at home with the use of some books or the internet. You'll need to get some supplies but it will keep you amused. Check out your library for books on tape or CD to listen to while you work. Also, really think about the garden idea. It's always fun to eat food you've made yourself. I love the summers when I can put tomatos I grew myself in my salads!

LeatherBentOne -> RE: Daytime activities (5/16/2007 4:33:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael I would make her chore to deal with getting a license and then some job skills so she can support herself in the future. One hell of a lot more important than slave dances. I totally agree, and am also left wondering why more motivation is placed on slave dancing and other activities rather than motivating a sub/or slave to reach for those things that improve their lives to their highest potential.

daddysprop247 -> RE: Daytime activities (5/16/2007 9:20:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LeatherBentOne quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael I would make her chore to deal with getting a license and then some job skills so she can support herself in the future. One hell of a lot more important than slave dances. I totally agree, and am also left wondering why more motivation is placed on slave dancing and other activities rather than motivating a sub/or slave to reach for those things that improve their lives to their highest potential. for a slave the top focus and priority in life is serving and pleasing their Owner. if working or driving would serve the Master in no way, then why have those things as priorities. life skills and abilities which are valuable and crucial for an independently functioning, unowned person are not necessarily so for a slave. this coming from a slave who also does not drive, or have a career, and who could not "support" herself independently, and whose Master would like to keep it that way.

softness -> RE: Daytime activities (5/16/2007 10:40:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: daddysprop247 for a slave the top focus and priority in life is serving and pleasing their Owner. if working or driving would serve the Master in no way, then why have those things as priorities. life skills and abilities which are valuable and crucial for an independently functioning, unowned person are not necessarily so for a slave. this coming from a slave who also does not drive, or have a career, and who could not "support" herself independently, and whose Master would like to keep it that way. daddysprop, i think that the particular situation that you and your Master have created, the value system you adhere to and the responsibilities your feel towards eachother are very rare, its always a very fragile theory that is extrapolated from such a small pot of evidence. i would go out on a limb and say that it is generally held a Master should ensure the welfare of His property should something happen to Him. that you two have created a dynamic which means you are unable to function/survive/provide for yourself without him and that makes you both happy, well best of luck on your journey, i wish you well. I would not be able to function in a relationship such as yours and i believe it says much about your personal strength and the character of your Master that you are able to sustain it. The value i see most often it that it is the moral responsibility of an Owner to ensure the welbeing of property ..that includes for me the ability of the property to self-sustain if necessary. It does not effect the how submissive the property is if she is able to function without her owner. Stepping well away from any lifestyle choices, I would worry that two young women were not able to motivate themselves to some useful and fulfilling goal with all that time on their hands. There are only so many chores in a household of three, especially when two people are sharing them. To me, it is a reprehensible waste of life and opportunity and these girls should be striving to use this time granted them. There is nothing to say that they cannot use the time to learn pragmatic and pleasing skills, intelligent selection and open communication between the girl and their Owner would i am sure find a great many things which will please him and be useful to them.

MistressSassy66 -> RE: Daytime activities (5/16/2007 11:30:41 AM)
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LaTigresse -> RE: Daytime activities (5/16/2007 12:55:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael I would make her chore to deal with getting a license and then some job skills so she can support herself in the future. One hell of a lot more important than slave dances. This is kinda what I was thinking myself.

OsideGirl -> RE: Daytime activities (5/16/2007 1:22:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: softness i would go out on a limb and say that it is generally held a Master should ensure the welfare of His property should something happen to Him. There's a woman in our community that is an example of that. Didn't know how to drive, no jobs skills, hadn't work in years. Her Dominant was in a car accident and ultimately died. She had no way of getting to the hospital because she didn't drive. She relied on others. When he died she had no income and no skills to have an income. She quickly burned through the life insurance money because she had no experience managing a budget. Eventually, ended up being a charity case going from house to house, hoping to find another Dominant to support her. She did finally end up on welfare, but in Southern California that doesn't go far.

softness -> RE: Daytime activities (5/16/2007 2:29:09 PM)
nodsnods at OsideGirl the reality of Ms is that the couple still has to operate and function in regular society and at some point .. to be blunt ... one or other of the couple will have to do without their partner because we live in a world that we create from the intense dynamic of our relationships, where as a Master and slave we create our own rules and codes of normal, it is tempting to forget that there are gas bills to be paid and garbage to take out and elections to vote in. we do not live in a fantasy world,we may be able to make our abstract fantasies concrete through our relationships but the world will not cut you any slack just because you are a slave, and IMHO .. nor should it just because i have a submissive nature, just because i have chosen to seek service does not mean i have the right to opt out of the responsibilites of life and not be able to stand on my own two feet if necessary

MasterOfReason -> RE: Daytime activities (5/16/2007 5:55:41 PM)
I have noticed that many threads have the common theme of get a license and get a job. The time has come finally, for me to respond, the original point of the post was to determine various pleasing skills that they might learn to benefit them as a submissive and add to their skill sets as a submissive and make them more pleasing. You seem to think that because neither of them drive nor have a career that they are lessened as people. This is simply untrue and imposing your particular value system on our situation has finally become irritating. For this reason I will explain a few things though I know it is not necessary. In order for Bella, my submissive, to regain her license all that is required is a 25$ money order sent to the DMV. I have refused to have her license re-instated because it was originally lost over an accident in which she was at fault. I have made the financial decision that I do not wish to insure a 21 year old driver with a record of accidents on my vehicle, further as she has no external career and no pressing need to drive I have no desire to place yet another unsafe driver on the road. Cea the girl who lives with us whom I mentor has epilepsy and cannot drive because doing so places her and others in considerable danger. I believe that should satisfy the license issue and if not be content that I have made a decision and it was mine to make. Now about a job or career Bella spent some time in college where she did well but, has little motivation to resume her education at this time, and little direction as to what she would like to achieve if she were forced to. This is probably the reason for the initial departure. I myself have two bachelor’s degrees one in mathematics and one in computer science a whole slew of accreditations and certificates and have believed since high school that education should be entirely voluntary and that little is accomplished when it is forced. I find it strange that a society in which less than 20% of the previous generation had a formal education beyond a high school diploma now believes that a college education is the panacea that will solve all of their problems. As for starting a career without further education little purpose is served by working yet another minimum wage job and any skills necessary to work at that level can easily be learned by anyone with more than an 95 IQ in a matter of days. As for Cea, she is of course on disability. I grant that she may be able to hold some position in the future, but her upbringing by conservative neo-fascist Christians who believed her disease to be demonic possession has robbed her of much of her education and social skills that she would have developed in high school a situation which I am actively correcting. She is currently pursuing a GED. That should satisfy your curiosity about developing job skills. Finally, I would like to explain why I have chosen the particular path for them that I have. Have you ever considered that I spent altogether nearly 6 years in formal education after high school so that I could perform adequately well in my chosen profession pretty much to the exclusion of all other endeavors. Therefore, wouldn’t it make sense for them to take a couple of brief years out of their long lives to study to become the best slave girls they can be. Since at least with Bella that is her chosen profession. Also you may consider that many of the personal skills mentioned such as responsibilty and budgeting can be learned in contexts other than employment. I will not again defend our lifestyle, I would ask only, that such an open minded community, meet us with the same acceptance and tolerance that we eagerly offer to you. Master of Reason

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Daytime activities (5/16/2007 6:36:49 PM)
Well you shouldn't be surprised when you come with such a vague question as "How can we do things during the day to help out?" when the most practical things that need doing tend to require income and independent transportation. So in order to do most of the practical daily life things which most adults need to help out, you need to take care of those basics. Hence, why so many made that suggestion. As well, this all continues to be excuses. Props master simply doesn't want her to be independent. Prop's master also isn't silly enough to tell her to go online to find ways to be useful. You are simply finding reasons to avoid them being independent and they are enjoying having convenient excuses for it. How bad is the epilepsy? Many people with the condition can drive without any real problem, is she on good meds to help control things? So if you want good, relevant answers to your scenario, you should present the question with the relevant context involved. Otherwise, you risk a crap shoot with the answers- which is what you got.

MasterOfReason -> RE: Daytime activities (5/16/2007 7:19:16 PM)
To begin with I am very sorry for the vaugeness of the original post, it was our first attempt to post on a message board of any kind. That being said.... In our paticular state in order to acquire a driver's license a person must be siezure free for a period of two years she has yet to make a period of two months. So in answer to your question no her medicine is not yet effective, another problem that I am actively resolving. As for making excuses, I did not. I simply explained why we chose to live the way we do. You also mentioned the need for additional income and independent transportation to accomplish the more practical things in life. The additional income provided by one or the other working would barely offset the cost of transportation to those various occupations and truthfully isnt needed. Further I did not ask how they could be more helpful. They are already quite helpful to me. If you closely examine the original post I simply asked for a list of suggestions of skills that a well trained submissive could possess. Further I asked for suggestions on how I could present this material and allow them to study it while I was away. That was all. Master of Reason

earthycouple -> RE: Daytime activities (5/16/2007 7:37:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterOfReason I have noticed that many threads have the common theme of get a license and get a job. The time has come finally, for me to respond, the original point of the post was to determine various pleasing skills that they might learn to benefit them as a submissive and add to their skill sets as a submissive and make them more pleasing. You seem to think that because neither of them drive nor have a career that they are lessened as people. This is simply untrue and imposing your particular value system on our situation has finally become irritating. For this reason I will explain a few things though I know it is not necessary. In order for Bella, my submissive, to regain her license all that is required is a 25$ money order sent to the DMV. I have refused to have her license re-instated because it was originally lost over an accident in which she was at fault. I have made the financial decision that I do not wish to insure a 21 year old driver with a record of accidents on my vehicle, further as she has no external career and no pressing need to drive I have no desire to place yet another unsafe driver on the road. Cea the girl who lives with us whom I mentor has epilepsy and cannot drive because doing so places her and others in considerable danger. I believe that should satisfy the license issue and if not be content that I have made a decision and it was mine to make. Now about a job or career Bella spent some time in college where she did well but, has little motivation to resume her education at this time, and little direction as to what she would like to achieve if she were forced to. This is probably the reason for the initial departure. I myself have two bachelor’s degrees one in mathematics and one in computer science a whole slew of accreditations and certificates and have believed since high school that education should be entirely voluntary and that little is accomplished when it is forced. I find it strange that a society in which less than 20% of the previous generation had a formal education beyond a high school diploma now believes that a college education is the panacea that will solve all of their problems. As for starting a career without further education little purpose is served by working yet another minimum wage job and any skills necessary to work at that level can easily be learned by anyone with more than an 95 IQ in a matter of days. As for Cea, she is of course on disability. I grant that she may be able to hold some position in the future, but her upbringing by conservative neo-fascist Christians who believed her disease to be demonic possession has robbed her of much of her education and social skills that she would have developed in high school a situation which I am actively correcting. She is currently pursuing a GED. That should satisfy your curiosity about developing job skills. Finally, I would like to explain why I have chosen the particular path for them that I have. Have you ever considered that I spent altogether nearly 6 years in formal education after high school so that I could perform adequately well in my chosen profession pretty much to the exclusion of all other endeavors. Therefore, wouldn’t it make sense for them to take a couple of brief years out of their long lives to study to become the best slave girls they can be. Since at least with Bella that is her chosen profession. Also you may consider that many of the personal skills mentioned such as responsibilty and budgeting can be learned in contexts other than employment. I will not again defend our lifestyle, I would ask only, that such an open minded community, meet us with the same acceptance and tolerance that we eagerly offer to you. Master of Reason Kudos to you...

meticulousgirl -> RE: Daytime activities (5/17/2007 11:45:36 AM)
Essays for slave explorations: Seperately write essays on certain topics of the Masters choice ie: what they believe is expected out of them, what it means to be One's slave etc. Have them each start a book of fantasies Put a book of recipees together Put a book of home decorating together HGTV and Food Network are wonderful not only are they creative but they share crafts, techniques and essentials for live in's. Also Ms Abernathy's slave training books are fantastic giving excercises from what slavery and lifestyle BDSM is to grooming, laundry, cooking, decorating etc....I bought those two books years ago and still look in them for tips to this very day.

meticulousgirl -> RE: Daytime activities (5/17/2007 11:47:47 AM)
I have many more tips feel free to message me, I'd be glad to help you out....

marion17991 -> RE: Daytime activities (5/17/2007 2:55:37 PM)
Hi all, I am marion, a girl mentored by Master of Reason. I do not live with them, but visit regularly and converse by IM and phone with the girls and Reason daily. My submissive sisters are very happy and productive. I can tell you that Bella does not want to work right now, and has actively done everything she could to avoid it since high school. She attended college for a while, but was very unhappy. Besides their chores, Bella spends time helping Cea study for her GED, they also are working on several small craft projects and looking for more that they would be interested in. However, they want to learn more skills, and improve on the ones that they know, that are pleasing to Reason, such as belly dancing, tea service, preparing his favorite foods, sewing, reciting poetry and learning new songs to sing. He was looking for a way to help organize their training so that they didn't spend all day and not get anything accomplished. I also am helping them with the learning how to budget, shop for good food within that budget, and learn the basics of taking care of themselves should something bad happen to Reason. Sometimes, if they really need to go someplace while Reason is at work, like a doctor's appointment or even the grocery store, I come and take them, or Bella's grandmother does, or Cea's grandmother. By the way, a couple of things you may want to know about me. I have a career, I am an attorney with a solo practice. However, I didn't get a job or go to school until I was several years older than these girls. I stayed home took care of my Husband (now Master), house and children when they came along. I was in my 30's before I was ready to go to college. These girls are 20 & 21, they have a little time to decide what they want to do. My Master, also would like me to learn some of these more pleasing skills, so when I go visit the girls and Reason, we work on some of them together then, too. The other thing is that my Master and I are Bella's biological parents. We tried forceing her to get a job or go to school, she was miserable. Since she met Reason, she has been happy and content. Also, Reason was my friend and mentor long before I introduced him to Bella, I never dreamed they would be so compatible. lol Anyway, we feel that he is doing something right. In a couple of years, she and Cea may be ready to go to school or get a job, and Reason will make that happen for them, but for now, they are content with their lifestyle.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Daytime activities (5/17/2007 3:11:19 PM)
One big happy enabling family. I will add that I have nothing against the situation in and of itself. Someone like prop- she couldn't get a job in the normal workforce anything above basic labor. She can't drive and has no plans to learn. I myself was on the later end of the independence curve- only really getting out on my own at 23. As well, I completely understand not wanting to work, or rather, being fulfilled by doing domestic work instead of paycheck work. It's the fact that these chicks seem to be actively avoiding these steps which i take issue with. They aren't actively seeking relationships which suit them- they fell into and greedily grabbed onto the first romantic sweet deal they stumbled across during their attempts to not actually grow up. Be pleasing, be humble, be sweet- do whatever it is that works for you. But life is hard work, no matter whether you get a paycheck or not.

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