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Rate the toughest martial arts stars


Chuck Norris
  11% (3)
Bruce Lee
  66% (18)
Jet Li
  11% (3)
Steven Seagal
  3% (1)
Jean Claude Van Damme
  7% (2)


Total Votes : 27
(last vote on : 8/15/2007 11:37:15 PM)
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Rate the toughest martial arts stars - 5/11/2007 7:02:56 PM   
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Q. Who would you rate as the toughest martial-arts stars ever on the big screen?
—Bill Spitalnik, Newport Beach, Calif.

A. Our picks for the Five Toughest Martial-Arts Movie Stars: the late Bruce Lee; Jet Li, 43; Chuck Norris, 67; Steven Seagal, 56; and Jean-Claude Van Damme, 46. Who’s your favorite? See the results of our reader poll below:

Chuck Norris: 52%
Bruce Lee: 43%
Jet Li: 3%
Steven Seagal: 2%
Jean-Claude Van Damme: 0%

Results based on a total of 45,751 responses

 
And a response from Chuck Norris:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55448

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RE: Rate the toughest martial arts stars - 5/11/2007 7:20:28 PM   
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RE: Rate the toughest martial arts stars - 5/11/2007 7:56:32 PM   
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RE: Rate the toughest martial arts stars - 5/11/2007 8:14:24 PM   
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I tend to go with Bruce Lee.  Technically beautiful.  Nice personality.

On a related note, Chuck Norris got his chops when Men were Men.  I think his technical prowess blows donkeys, but he can take a punch.

Unlike the gymnast Van Damme, or the Aikidoist Seagal (who never competed), or Jet Li who has not fought competively.

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RE: Rate the toughest martial arts stars - 5/11/2007 8:24:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I had to go for Brandon Lee. Followed in his fathers footsteps, right up to his death. Now that's tough.

swtnsparkling,
I'm wondering how Jean Claude's great ass helps his toughest martial arts star status?

Really though, it's Bruce Lee. There's no competition. The development of his craft, being an asian matial artist breaking into western entertainment, and facing challenges from every wannabe while on set make the rest look like wrestlers.

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RE: Rate the toughest martial arts stars - 5/11/2007 9:20:18 PM   
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I'm wondering how Jean Claude's great ass helps his toughest martial arts star status?


I'm not tellin
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RE: Rate the toughest martial arts stars - 5/11/2007 9:22:43 PM   
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RE: Rate the toughest martial arts stars - 5/11/2007 10:03:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		       I wish they'd included Jackie Chan on the list.  The question is about tough movie stars.  I'd think that would include the total stunt work, not just the fights.

    Put me in the Bruce Lee column though.

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RE: Rate the toughest martial arts stars - 5/12/2007 2:04:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		While Bruce didn't fight competively, his JKD technique still is the best around - very simply 'cuz it takes the best from all martial arts - Western and Eastern - it is THE mixed martial art. Danny Inosanto probably is the best all-round in current JKD (and he doesn't compete).

With anti-joint/bone & critical strike martial arts like most hard (style) forms of Kung (Gong) -Fu, and Aikido you *can't* spar in a ring or fight amateur.

My (Praying Mantis) GongFu instructor Stateside tried it once (according to a senior student). He and the students were heavily padded up. He stopped after he broke 2 of their arms. He didn't mean to, he wasn't trying to be aggressive, it was just his skillset. When you do it correctly, that is what happens.

He didn't want to spar, his students begged him to. His students were embarrassed that their arms broke. No lawsuits or anything silly. Everyone had too much respect for him.

Benny Urquidez (sp?) - the Jet - used to 'practice' in downtown Tokyo by going to bars in the bad areas, flashing big bills, acting drunk, then stumbling into an alley when he left. The guys who followed him out and jumped him regretted it very, very quickly. It allowed him to practice techniques he couldn't work on in the ring.

Chuck had (has?) good ring-skills. I'm personally not a big fan of Tae Kwon do. Too much emphasis on kicking. You can't be defensive with kicking. And the whole Walker thing? <chuckles> Perhaps I'm too Yankee but I don't know anyone who can fight with cowboy boots on. Maybe in soft grass... NOT on asphalt or concrete.

Seagal has skills that he couldn't use in a ring (see earlier anti-joint comment). That said, he looks slow and soft. He could probably do alright in a bar but not against someone who knew what they were doing.

Jet Li & Jackie Chan are both gifted athletes and very skilled acrobatically. But it's not about looking flashy - it's about stopping someone.

Van Damme? Heh-heh. Hell, he got knocked out by one punch in a NY Scores strip club by Chuck Zito. Eastern martial arts are great but so is Hells Angels bar-fighting 101.

WFC - which I love - is great but again, you can't use a lot of good skills there. You can't head-butt, you can't eye-gouge or go for the throat or groin. I think they recently did away with elbow strikes. It's more realistic, but still not 'real'.

<shrug>

Just my 2¢.

I've taken my share of martial arts (15+ years) but any of the above could probably kick my ass (deceased Bruce aside).

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RE: Rate the toughest martial arts stars - 5/12/2007 2:13:35 AM   
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RE: Rate the toughest martial arts stars - 5/12/2007 6:52:11 AM   
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http://www.xmag.com/archives/13-08-feb06/feature3.html



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RE: Rate the toughest martial arts stars - 5/12/2007 7:33:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Has to be Bruce Lee for me, in both Film and as a fighter. I can't watch fight scenes these days with the amount of carefully choreographed fights where it takes like 250 moves to get in one punch and besides it's fucking boring unless ofcourse you take Jackie Chan for instance with his abstract fighting which makes for good viewing (Jackie Chan was a stunt man in Bruce Lee's Fist of Fury). Steven Segal just stands and slaps with people then flings them around with his one hand, it's good but gets tedious after the first 20 times he does it. Jean Claude VD did too many dud films that took away from his skills. Chuck Norris had a very ridgid style but very effective, i would say he was a legend as a western Fighter. Watch Bruce Lee's films and you can feel the power he had, there was one part in Enter the Dragon where he is being chased by the guards and he's cornered, he spins round with a punch that the camera can't even catch, his style was sharp, direct but he could adapt quickly if he found his opponent difficult. He was said to have been the first non Thai to ever defeat an Ex Thai boxing champion, he defeated Judo experts, Karate Experts and uncovered secrets of the Shaolin which he used in his art. 

We often use the word too easily these days but when you speak of a true Legend and i sincerely mean that, Bruce Lee really IS one. Jun Fan (born in the year of the dragon) i doubt could ever be bettered, he changed the style of Kung Fu from flowery artistic fighting to effective and deadly fighting before which he could never use this in street fights.

When i was growing up and getting into Martial Arts Mr Lee was the benchmark and to be honest from what i see today he still is. 

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RE: Rate the toughest martial arts stars - 5/12/2007 11:26:29 AM   
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"Bruce would destroy me, he beat the crap out of 20 (insert awesome martial arts style here, again i'm a doddering old man with a failing memory) masters in an unscripted fight.  He trained me, and I wouldn't stand a chance."

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RE: Rate the toughest martial arts stars - 5/12/2007 11:38:53 AM   
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That guy takes such brutal punishment and keeps a smile on his face.  Wonder how he does that?  lol
Bruce Lee was the best in my book and I liked his son, Brandon Lee.
Chuck Norris is good and fun to watch in his films and TV show.
Seagal is a very poor actor, Van Damme has a great body.

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RE: Rate the toughest martial arts stars - 5/26/2007 8:55:16 PM   
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Bruce Lee *trained* Chuck Norris.
 
Bruce Lee majored in philosophy and at the same time, broke new ground in ancient arts of training the human body, expanding its limits.  His writing and interviews are substantive and fascinating.
 
He broke with convention to make his own path, in various significant ways.  He crossed racial barriers in accepting students of all races - and he trained women alongside men.  He married interracially, when it was not commonly acceptible to do so.  He changed the rules for martial arts competition and training.  He was (I believe) the first international cinematic hero of Asian descent, who crossed over to the west.
 
He developed his own martial arts technique.  Then, as his schools for this new technique were prospering, he decided that people were becoming dogmatic about his new style; they were missing his point, which was to react spontaneously and adapt, and to put that ahead of limiting oneself to a series of moves from any one school.  So, he shut the schools down.
 
 
Not to say that those others aren't tough.  As others have pointed out, Brandon Lee should have been included in this list.  Tough and elegant in form, he proved one can be both.  Jet Li and Jackie Chan each had their own very tough times, in their youth, on top of the considerable inner resources it takes to become the martial artists - and actors, too - that they are (Jackie Chan's a great comedian, and has anyone else noticed - Jet Li can really act.). 
 
 
Bruce Lee, though - what a spirit!  What an inspiration.
 
 

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RE: Rate the toughest martial arts stars - 5/26/2007 8:58:16 PM   
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RE: Rate the toughest martial arts stars - 5/26/2007 9:00:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jackie Chan is not on the list...and there's alot more out there...was this jusr a preliminary poll?

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RE: Rate the toughest martial arts stars - 5/26/2007 9:21:45 PM   
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RE: Rate the toughest martial arts stars - 5/26/2007 9:23:21 PM   
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RE: Rate the toughest martial arts stars - 5/26/2007 10:36:26 PM   
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