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A new idea? - 5/10/2005 2:37:43 PM   
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I have had the good fortune of getting good advise from some brilliant CM women. I am not sure where I am heading in the d/s world but, I realized today how addictive this self-confirming website is.
You can freely argue your point or find confirmation of your thoughts.

When I realized I was taking time out of my professional day to read about the opinions of pissing in public, well....I have to say it made me think twice.

I am a novice in d/s but recognize how circular these discussions seem to be. There simply is no right/wrong. By NO means am I putting anything / person down. All I am suggesting is, the Greek's Golden Rule applies, "NOTHING IN EXCESS, EVERYTHING IN MODERATION."

You have to trust yourself. I feel more confident after perusing the discussion boards but wanna make sure I grow in MY D/S thoughts, not those of others.

Make sense?
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RE: A new idea? - 5/10/2005 2:42:39 PM   
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I think that one thing that needs to be remembered is the fact that non-censenting individuals should not be subjected to your particular kink. It's one thing to wear a piece of clothing or jewelry or the like that proclaims your life choice, but it's quite another to perform acts in a public place in the presence of other individuals. It's not that it's the "wrong way" to do it, it's just not right to do.

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RE: A new idea? - 5/10/2005 3:09:42 PM   
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I couldn't agree more. And (sorry) I can't resist saying, "No, shit."

:)

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RE: A new idea? - 5/10/2005 3:21:30 PM   
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Well, perhaps I was reading it wrong, but it sounded like you were saying that you can do whatever you like and that there is no wrong way to do anything. I was disagreeing with that idea, but perhaps that is not what you were saying......

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RE: A new idea? - 5/10/2005 3:35:06 PM   
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For me its a lot less black and white than that.

What about hugging? Kneeling? Kissing? Handcuffs? Saying Sir? Saying Master? Saying Lord? Saying slave? Sheer clothes?

I think there's some things that are fine in public, I think some are not.

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RE: A new idea? - 5/10/2005 3:42:00 PM   
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I always think kissing/hugging in public is a hazy shade of grey... some people can be really offended by it... others, not. It's impossible to draw a definite line... I daresay some people wouldn't find it offensive to see someone piss in public.

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RE: A new idea? - 5/10/2005 3:49:25 PM   
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If anyone looked at my pictures from Niagara Falls you know about how much PDA we do, this is as close as we get to each other in public:
And I even resisted this, I hate PDA and avoid it at all costs.

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RE: A new idea? - 5/10/2005 3:55:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: siamsa24

If anyone looked at my pictures from Niagara Falls you know about how much PDA we do


Sheesh! Get a room, you two. Get a room!


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RE: A new idea? - 5/10/2005 4:02:57 PM   
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Oh no! that's actually what I was thinking.....I can hardly hold hands in public...........

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RE: A new idea? - 5/10/2005 4:06:45 PM   
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Holding hands briefly is cool with me.... short, sweet kisses that don't involve open mouths and/or tongues... and hugs, though iffy about prolonged cuddling....
I just like keeping the loving intimacy between us... I know I'm a bit of an spotlight-seeker usually, but when it's something so persoanl and intimate... no way do I want to share that with the whole world.

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RE: A new idea? - 5/10/2005 4:10:10 PM   
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The only time that I hold hands is in crowded places, he makes me because I get lost all the time.......

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RE: A new idea? - 5/10/2005 4:14:37 PM   
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aww, thats sweet

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RE: A new idea? - 5/10/2005 4:24:32 PM   
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yeah, he doesn't like it when I get lost, and I wander away so it happens quite a bit......I can't help it, everything is just so interesting

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RE: A new idea? - 5/11/2005 2:59:59 AM   
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quote:

What about hugging? Kneeling? Kissing? Handcuffs? Saying Sir? Saying Master? Saying Lord? Saying slave? Sheer clothes?


WHOO-HOO! I love all of the above!.... (well, apart from the Lord thang)

hmmm.... maybe I am just an exhibitionist....

Just do what is natural for ya!

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RE: A new idea? - 5/11/2005 11:58:43 PM   
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Sorry for not being more clear. I do not believe anyone should pee in public or ask their mate to do such an adolescent act. It is an unsanitary and unnecessary practice.

Counseling may help.

I ineptly tried to make the point that this site promotes a group mentality when the ultimate sexual / life acts should be private. Get a couple of ideas here, share some laughs but make the act your own. There is no 'ultimate wisdom' in this non-face-2-face forum. This is a pseudo life / community and we all need to accept responsibility for our actions and make other people question what in the hell they are doing.

Placating eachother doesn't do any good.

The CM community operates under the guise of personal freedom but, we do have responsibilites to the vanilla world our kids live in. And...quite honestly our quest for personal freedoms may limit the capabilities of our nation. Without some adherence to 'norms' the USA becomes weaker. Our Middle East buddies will gladly dominate the masses of USA citizens who fight for individual freedoms more than they fight for 'the good of the Nation.'

If everybody is right, who's wrong?

A start may be DON'T PISS IN PUBLIC.
Don't spend anymore than 20 minutes daily on CM.
Do yourself and your mate a favor....be reasonable.

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RE: A new idea? - 5/12/2005 2:29:48 AM   
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While I agree 'pissing in public' is not accepted behaviour, the recommendation that 'Counselling may help' is only describable as snide.

15/20 years ago a gay person holding hands with 'his/her' partner was outside the acceptable 'norms' of my country (Ireland). Similarly it was not possible for adults to buy a condom.

Equating the 'norms' of any given country with some weird paranoia about your so called 'middle East buddies taking over the States' is just bizarre. Societal 'norms' should not be accepted as morally right, just because they are the 'norm'. You only have to go back 50 years (or whatever - I am no historian) in your own country and examine the racial 'norms' to figure that norms are not always for 'the good of the Nation' or its citizens.

Your own involvement in BDSM is, I assume outside the 'norms' of your country, does this mean you think you are weakening the country? Think about all your middle east buddies rubbing their hands in glee next time you want to practise BDSM...

Finally your recommendation not to spend more than 20 minutes a day on CM - what is that about? How did you come to the decide 20 minutes a day on CM is a 'start'? Really, I am curious...

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RE: A new idea? - 5/12/2005 3:20:24 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SmilinFSub

Sorry for not being more clear. I do not believe anyone should pee in public or ask their mate to do such an adolescent act. It is an unsanitary and unnecessary practice.


Peeing in a public place - happens alot more often than just in a BDSM context, but that said, I disagree that peeing in a public place is wrong - but would agree that peeing in public would be an unconsensual act and therefore, not something I would personally do. There is a huge difference between the two.

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Counseling may help.


That is quite harsh (IMO) and an unconsensual act. So again, I don't agree.

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I ineptly tried to make the point that this site promotes a group mentality when the ultimate sexual / life acts should be private. Get a couple of ideas here, share some laughs but make the act your own. There is no 'ultimate wisdom' in this non-face-2-face forum. This is a pseudo life / community and we all need to accept responsibility for our actions and make other people question what in the hell they are doing.


CM is a website, period. It is words on a screen - its a discussion and a place to write down views and experiences, in fact - like a book, it informs. There is ultimate wisdom here - but only if its something you agree with- because it is something you may never of heard before. But it doesn't mean its a pseudo community, its just a different kind of one. Some people here meet - some have even married, or become couples. I don't see anything pretend or fake about that. Its a tool, just like anything else. We can use it to placate, we can use it to contest a view - but at the end of the day, its still an individuals choice.


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Placating eachother doesn't do any good.


It isn't placating, its supporting - and if you don't support, you can challenge it. Doesn't make anyone right or wrong - its up to a persons individual morals as to whether they agree.


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The CM community operates under the guise of personal freedom but, we do have responsibilites to the vanilla world our kids live in. And...quite honestly our quest for personal freedoms may limit the capabilities of our nation. Without some adherence to 'norms' the USA becomes weaker. Our Middle East buddies will gladly dominate the masses of USA citizens who fight for individual freedoms more than they fight for 'the good of the Nation.'


Never seen it that way. I see CM as a site that is openminded and works 'under the guise' of personal responsibility. And you are right, we do have a responsibility to the children - we have the responsibility not to shun them and others who don't 'conform' as though they are ignorant and unworthy - children know a hell of a lot more than people give them credit for, and surely an informed individual is an individual who is a person aware of their responsibilites? Think on that.

What are the 'norms of society'? What have they been? What do you want to do - thrust your ideals and morals onto others? Because THAT is unconsensual. Are you saying that everyone has to follow like sheep just because its the norms and a handful of people claim it is, so it must be right? Is it right to murder? Is it right to enslave because of colour, creed? Attack because of religions not melding? Not use contraception because its 'sinful'? I don't know about you, but I don't live in the USA -why does it always have to boil down to one, single country? And to counter your 'statement' I will use your own words. Is the USA operating under the guise of fighting for freedom? I live on a PLANET - I live in a world that is beautiful with endless possiblities. This isn't a discussion about 'your buddies' and what they have the ability of doing - theres another thread you can preach on in the off topic discussions for that, and I will gladly discuss that issue with you there.


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If everybody is right, who's wrong?

Not everyone is right - not everyone is wrong - but everyone is undeniably unique.


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A start may be DON'T PISS IN PUBLIC.


see above

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Don't spend anymore than 20 minutes daily on CM.


Is that a suggestion, or an order?

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Do yourself and your mate a favor....

Well... for a start, that is assuming that everyone is monogamous - which we know isn't the case. Maybe that could be 'Do yourself and your mate(s) a favour'


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be reasonable.


I try - do you?

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RE: A new idea? - 5/12/2005 4:45:56 AM   
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I really do enjoy this forum, don't get me wrong. Very intelligent people / discussions. I was hoping to stir the pot a bit.

I agree and apologize for the snide remark. So pls allow me 'redeem' myself.

The peeing being discussed was NOT concentual bc of patrons / other uninvolved folks. That is why I believe societal norms should be considered and adhered to.

I am not anti-gay and do not believe monogamy is the only viable sexual option. When your personal freedoms infringe on mine, however, is where societal norms do have relevance.

When society's norms are purposefully shunned you should question your motives. How can 'alternative lifestyles' be taken seriously when public health is disregarded?

If PUBLIC, unsanitary practices are the only way to get excited I suggest you question your Master/self. Piss all you want, just not where my family will be exposed to it.

RE: 20 min rule

My personal philiosophy is to allocate time effectively. Ten percent of my time is allowed for understanding / complaining about a particular problem. The other 90 % is used to figure out what to do about the situation.

Our sexual preferences don't need to rule our world and seem like they could if we spend too much time here . Where is the spontaneous excitement of sex when you are repeat what you learned from a website? Get some ideas here and 'get a life.'

Also, rote acceptance of societally 'deviant' behavior expressed here is as ignorant as accepting oppressive dictators. Even us liberals need to cognitively dissect info.

I believe if you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything. I am sick of watching the USA loose credibility in International arenas. (I work in Europe 4 months a year). One of the most common beliefs there is that Americans are self-satisfying, non- partriotic cowards who have had tooooo much freedom and not enough accountability.

Pissing in public places is a very non-accountable act.

You don't see the Middle East agenda as 'dominants gone awry?' I do... they would love to conquer a socially divided nation. My goodness, if we can't agree on where it is appropriate to relieve ourselves what can we agree on?

(would continue but my daily time limit has been reached.)

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RE: A new idea? - 5/12/2005 7:18:14 AM   
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quote:

The peeing being discussed was NOT concentual bc of patrons / other uninvolved folks. That is why I believe societal norms should be considered and adhered to.


I have to agree here. One of the biggest problems with wiitwd is the misconception of the general 'nilla public. I honestly believe that if we (generic we) were to present ourselves in a public forum as being sensitive and respectful of their (meaning 'nilla) feelings then we would be doing our chosen lifestyle a service by demonstrating that it is truly based on respect, not just for ourselves, but for others.

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RE: A new idea? - 5/12/2005 7:43:27 AM   
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And I think there are ways to express ourselves without being confrontational and being reasonable. For example, I wear scene tshirts out in public a lot, some of them have pretty obvious bdsm overtones to them. I also go out in public with my partners all together and will show affection for all of them, hugs, kisses, touching gently, ruffling their hair, etc. I will also order them to do things in a casual but stern manner, nothing to interrupt the flow of whats going on around us, but definitely not a normal way. I would also be ok with someone quietly kneeling in a restaurant or out in public as long as they were not in an aisle or blocking anyones path.

I think things like that are more than ok.

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