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wetsub000 -> psychology of submission (5/11/2005 3:42:15 AM)

I’ve been told by various Doms that I think too much, but my exploration of BDSM seems to be as much about self discovery as pleasure and desire. I was thinking about Mystoferin’s thread on the feeling you often get when you’re with your Dom. Not subspace, not sexual pleasure, but what was variously termed submissive fuzzies or centring.

I’ve been thinking a lot about that feeling and it’s certainly a big part of why I like being submissive. It’s the perfect calm of feeling safe and warm and cared for, of having someone else in control, shouldering the responsibility. It’s mixed with a tenderness (to varying degrees) for the one I’m with.

I think for me it may be linked to my childhood which was pretty awful and where I didn’t feel very secure or cared for (long story I don’t want to bore anyone with). I was just wondering if anyone else can relate to that. That being submissive and giving up control is in a way a step back into my ideal childhood and I don’t mean in an age play sense, but as an ideal that as a child you have your parents to love you, care for you and guide you.




siamsa24 -> RE: psychology of submission (5/11/2005 5:43:18 AM)

I came from a very large family and am the oldest. That ment that I got about two years of childhood before I had to start caring for others. I love age play because it helps me get that affection and tenderness that I may have missed out on because I was "too grown up" when I was young.
This may not be the case for everyone, but I know that's one of the reasons for me.




EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: psychology of submission (5/11/2005 6:11:02 AM)

If this is who you ARE, it will make you feel safe and secure.

As far as age play, as far as giving up control to a secure authority figure, as far as being able to let go and not worry for awhile- let's just say a huge majority of subs feel that way.

And it's certainly not something Ds has a monopoly on. Everyone wants to be intimate with someone they feel comfortable and secure with, someone they feel they can simply be who they are with, someone who can care for them and make it all better.




BobcatsLilMinx -> RE: psychology of submission (5/11/2005 6:32:12 AM)

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I think for me it may be linked to my childhood which was pretty awful and where I didn’t feel very secure or cared for (long story I don’t want to bore anyone with). I was just wondering if anyone else can relate to that. That being submissive and giving up control is in a way a step back into my ideal childhood and I don’t mean in an age play sense, but as an ideal that as a child you have your parents to love you, care for you and guide you.


I've often wondered how much of my desire to submit and serve a Master stems from my childhood experiences. I was the eldest child to my frighteningly unstable parents, and despite my best efforts, I was never able to "win" their approval or their love, as the goalposts kept changing (still do!). So yeha, I've often wondered if my need to please a man and to know that he loves me and approves of my behaviour comes from that same need I had as a child, whether or not it's healthy, etc, etc...

Then one day I decided I didn't care [:D] I'm a slave, and I'm happier being a slave than I ever was trying to be "normal". Honestly, once I gave up the idea of being "normal" and started working with my mentality, with my personality, and accepting who I am, as Emerald said, I began to feel much safer, much securer. And now I do get the affection and guidance from my Master that I never got as a child, (ok, I know a lot of you out there think 19 is still a "child"!), and it's within the strict, chain-of-command structure that I understand.

On the other hand, as someone said before, it could be genetic!! But I think, if you ask around, a lot of subs have had a turbulent childhood... mind you, a few Dom/mes I know do too, and when you think that 1 in every 4 kids is abused, well... if D/s gives even 30% of those people a lifestyle they can be happy and secure and safe in, then that's a really good thing.




EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: psychology of submission (5/11/2005 6:34:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BobcatsLilMinx
if D/s gives even 30% of those people a lifestyle they can be happy and secure and safe in, then that's a really good thing.


Well...as long as they don't get into Ds because they think it will take away their pains and problems. Lots of people do that and they are always disappointed.




BobcatsLilMinx -> RE: psychology of submission (5/11/2005 6:42:57 AM)

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Well...as long as they don't get into Ds because they think it will take away their pains and problems. Lots of people do that and they are always disappointed.


That's true... but I think of happiness and security as being very different to the quickfix buzz, so I wasn't talking about that, sorry if I caused any confusion to anybody [:)] for that 30%, as much as 80% may well have tried to use D/s as a "cure" and given up in fits of anger and frustration when they realised it isn't.




yumyum -> RE: psychology of submission (5/11/2005 9:40:08 AM)

i agree completely.....being submissive, my Master's slave is like being wrapped in the coziest blanket on the coldest of days. Even when He is not physically with me, i feel as though i am wrapped in my Master's arms.

For me this is also connected to my childhood, or lack thereof.

Its not as though i am without important responsibilities within our home (we have 4 kids!!) it is just that beautiful, protected mindset i feel engulfed in that allows me to grow.

Thks for listening,
yumyum




BeautifulDoll -> RE: psychology of submission (5/11/2005 11:17:18 AM)

I completely agree with this and can relate to it because my childhood and teen years were not good at all. Very bad. I feel that I actually belong and like someone actually loves me for once in my life. I feel like I can just give in to my Master and let him take complete control and know that he will love and care for me always. I know he will never hurt me in anyway and for once in my life it is finally safe.


quote:

ORIGINAL: wetsub000

I’ve been told by various Doms that I think too much, but my exploration of BDSM seems to be as much about self discovery as pleasure and desire. I was thinking about Mystoferin’s thread on the feeling you often get when you’re with your Dom. Not subspace, not sexual pleasure, but what was variously termed submissive fuzzies or centring.

I’ve been thinking a lot about that feeling and it’s certainly a big part of why I like being submissive. It’s the perfect calm of feeling safe and warm and cared for, of having someone else in control, shouldering the responsibility. It’s mixed with a tenderness (to varying degrees) for the one I’m with.

I think for me it may be linked to my childhood which was pretty awful and where I didn’t feel very secure or cared for (long story I don’t want to bore anyone with). I was just wondering if anyone else can relate to that. That being submissive and giving up control is in a way a step back into my ideal childhood and I don’t mean in an age play sense, but as an ideal that as a child you have your parents to love you, care for you and guide you.






EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: psychology of submission (5/11/2005 11:24:59 AM)

Life is not safe. People who love eachother will hurt eachother.

But life can be more secure, more stable, and you can have someone who you know will help you and you can help them and together form a better team than you can alone.





fourpeas -> RE: psychology of submission (5/11/2005 1:10:13 PM)

I resonate so fully with what a lot of people are saying.

For me it's a bit different -- I was also raised in an abusive household and forced to be functioning as a mother and provider at the age of 13... but my real pleasure in submission comes from having someone to care for, love and please...

I raised my brother, went straight to college and became the "den mother" for all my friends. I'm the first one anyone goes to when they need a shoulder to cry on, etc. I got so used to having people to serve and care for that without it, I am lost.

I feel really fulfilled and happy serving, and specifically serving in the sense of knowing that I am bringing happiness to another.




ruffnecksbabygir -> RE: psychology of submission (5/11/2005 1:21:38 PM)

Great thread!
i am certain that much of my childhood and adolescence and even adulthood has influenced me being a slave. My father was extremely dominating, yet i never felt safe with him, i feared him very much...my mother was the typical abused wife victim type, very submissive to my dad. i was molested as a child, which i speak openly about now because i spent too many years keeping it a "secret" and decided some years ago that i shouldn't burden myself with that secret since i wasn't at fault...anyhow...i later spent my young adult life searching for that man that could see me for who i truly was...that could take control of my chaos, that could guide me...etc... i married a man that was the opposite, realized even more so what it was i needed...then i discovered the lifestyle, the rest of course is history : )

i agree that this journey leads to self discovery in many aspects. i love disecting what it is that makes us who we are...it's fascinating.




subversiveone -> RE: psychology of submission (5/11/2005 6:45:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: wetsub000

I’ve been told by various Doms that I think too much, but my exploration of BDSM seems to be as much about self discovery as pleasure and desire.


i would like the chance to say that whenever i get accused of over analysis i simply remind them that im not collared. i have the responsibility to myself to work out my life, love, desires and wants. and any Dom that accepts me for who i am accepts my need for introspection, meditation, research and education. if i get a little too deep, it's only because i want to understand as much as is humanly possible, which imo makes you a better person/sub/slave/top/bottom whatever.

the common psychological debate deals with how the bottom's view their role, if they think themselves inferior/weak incapable/undeserving of love. if any of these questions plague you then it's time to do some self help books and/or maybe an educated counselor/friend/therapist. but once you *get* yourself and are only musing about the influences please realise how complex we all are. love is often about feeling protected, sheltered. even for a top. we remember childhood events that made us feel scared and vulnerable because that was a)our first experiences with those emotions b)they were often very traumatic because we hadn't develped the skills we have now and c)we are told to look towards childhood for answers. depending on your personal bent, you may place a lot of importance on your childhood experience. that's the easy part! when you start asking yourself questions from the person you are now, the person you want to be, not your ego or your fantasy but your happiest/healthiest/safest person you will find answers that suit you better.

and please, please be careful of a person who tries to tell you the answers to these questions! i don't care if they are your owner or mailman... they may be able to lead you in this process, get to know you and make suggestions, give you opinions and judgements but not so much answers, right?




Lepidoptera -> RE: psychology of submission (5/12/2005 12:48:07 PM)

There are so many different aspects to being a submissive that I enjoy... it almost makes me wonder...

I love the sex: I find it arousing to be used for someone else's pleasure...

I'm a people pleaser: I want to do my very best to please my Dom/me...

I like the pain: I find it therapeutic, even though I don't like it objectively...

I love being the one hurt: I hate hurting other people, so it's safe for me to be a sub because I can't hurt anyone...

I need the humiliation: The way it makes me feel in the pit of my stomach is so satisfying...





Mia1978 -> RE: psychology of submission (5/12/2005 5:17:04 PM)

You bring up an interesting question - one I've been asking myself for a while too. I had a dreadful childhood. It's hard because I want to forget it, not link it to who I am now. I hate thinking that perhaps they made me who I am. For me, that would be like giving my sexuality to them and it sickens me to think about that.

I don't know if the past has that much effect on being a sub. I don't know if I want to know. It's hard not to think about it, I too am very analytical by my nature.

Regardless of what my mind does, I like when he takes away all the questions, controls all the fears... all I have to do is please him and I am loved for it. What a very warm, secure place. Rules, guidlines, direct cause and effect, always knowing where you stand, and knowing he not only loves you, but he has to have YOU. Very warm place. Safe. Wish I had it.






funNtrainable -> RE: psychology of submission (5/13/2005 7:10:02 AM)

Interesting conversation, but I have to say my motives are a bit different. First, I am not a 24/7 type - so that might explain some of the difference. Rather, I had a sub relationship that I loved. Well, I loved her and boy was she fun. I think my motive is just the opposite. I tend to be dominant and responsible, so it is great to feel out of control. I find it to be a tremendous release from the pressures of life. suddenly, I am not making decisions.




asissyforher -> RE: psychology of submission (6/14/2005 4:11:19 PM)

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I’ve been told by various Doms that I think too much,


yeah..know the feeling..it's why my Dommes say too.
i tend to be anal and over diagnose everything..and......i tend to think in vanilla terms because i am more alone vanilla than i ever have been with any dominant.....and until i AM with a dominant......i will still think vanilla...i damned sure can't be subbie-slave alone....

a sissy




perfection20005 -> RE: psychology of submission (6/14/2005 6:45:33 PM)

My Master just sent me this poem that helped explain everything that I feel when I'm with him and without him:

Thoughts by Stavros_laurie: In Your slaves deepest dreams she never thought she could feel so close to anyone or anything. The love that she has for You makes the world seem more beautiful and new. Touching, Holding, Kissing and Loving You all seem untrue. BUT... The lessons You have taught, are of thee best kind Serving from the heart, brings peace to the mind. Only to You, Master, will this slave give her soul and complete surrender. To which the days ahead be filled with total splendor.

perfection





pandoravampire -> RE: psychology of submission (6/15/2005 6:05:04 PM)

I am analytical. Always have been a people watcher. I make my living in psychiatry, more people watching.
The psychological aspects of my relationship, much like any other aspect i guess, fascinate me. I dont just want to feel humiliation, i need to know why, i feel that, what button it pushes, and ill think for days after a play session. If i can understand why this happens when he does -, then i can tell him, and he can use that info for later, to push the right button again.
This is my first time as a submissive, always playing a top prior and vanilla before that. But a loving D/s 24/7 relationship, is my beautiful life now.
24/7 was something that i did not seek, was above what i was seeking, which was bedroom only D/s. But it leaked more and more out of the bedroom.
I now cannot do without it.
I know that life is not always safe! My past is testiment to that. But i feel safe, secure, cherished, i simply belong where i am. It is a wonderful feeling.
Did my past shape my submission? i dont give a shit if it does or not. Its like asking a drug addict, why do you take drugs, its no longer relevant. The high has long gone, its about feeling normal now.

Mia's point: You bring up an interesting question - one I've been asking myself for a while too. I had a dreadful childhood. It's hard because I want to forget it, not link it to who I am now. I hate thinking that perhaps they made me who I am. For me, that would be like giving my sexuality to them and it sickens me to think about that.

For me, my past held on to me, it wasnt until i had a breast reconstruction after surgery, so in effect, a boob job, that i felt that the new body, was untainted by my past, it no longer belonged to those that abused it. I was for the first time, just for me. Hard to explain this, i know the pre-counselling op never covered THAT lol. BDSM and in particular D/s with my Sir, has allowed ME to flower.
I may have unspeakable things done to my body as a part of play, but its ME that says if thats ok, no body else takes from me anymore.
In the past, uspeakable things, were done to me, without choice, with only psychological force, and some physical, but it was non consensual to the extreeme.
So my 24/7 reflects to me, that this is my choice, my doing, which i can stop at any point. It only occurs because i have the power to say it does.
Giving that amount of power to another to play with, takes a lot of trust. Something that grows gradually. How the hell people do this with play partners is what i cant fathom? To exchange power with someone who doesnt love you? NOW THAT seems like madness and recklessness to me. But each to their own.






asissyforher -> RE: psychology of submission (6/15/2005 6:48:29 PM)

To exchange power with someone who doesnt love you? NOW THAT seems like madness and recklessness to me. But each to their own.

pandoravampire
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some of us,..me here,....there is no.......involvement..emotionally or sexually.. i serve to serve....and i have not been a player yet....

a sissy------service servant




LASub4Real -> RE: psychology of submission (6/15/2005 7:32:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2
And it's certainly not something Ds has a monopoly on. Everyone wants to be intimate with someone they feel comfortable and secure with, someone they feel they can simply be who they are with, someone who can care for them and make it all better.


Truer words were never spoken.




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