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HeavansKeeper -> Financial Domination (5/14/2007 9:18:31 PM)

I've heard of everything, and although I don't personally find this interesting, I can see where some would.
 
I wanted to know how many Mistresses make this a part of regular ownership of your subs and slaves.  I don't mean tokens of homage or occasional tithes, I mean full ownership of your sub's income.



Red82 -> RE: Financial Domination (5/14/2007 9:33:26 PM)

i honestly dont see how realistic the prospect is. Perhaps in a 24/7 to a degree. But honestly, its not like i have all the money in the world in the first place. All the money that i get goes to very specific needs, and when thats done, there may be $80 remaining.

Anyway, my point is, ideally might sound great,  in reality, i dont see it working that well, at least not for me.

Im a greedy little duck.



AAkasha -> RE: Financial Domination (5/14/2007 9:49:24 PM)


I have final say in all matters related to money.
I also get to have all of my partners money, if he had any. I work and he doesn't, by my choice.  I find that controlling the income as well as the money makes me feel most at ease.
Akasha



Domin8tingUrDrmz -> RE: Financial Domination (5/14/2007 9:55:52 PM)

Since I like to be in control of things, being in control of the finances only makes sense to me.  I get to know that the bills are paid, on time, and are kept current.  I get to decide what happens to money left after paying bills, whether it is invested, or used for entertainment, or for new toys.  Why wouldn't I want to control that area as well as any other aspect of my relationships?

Controlling the purse strings does not equate to neglecting a slave's needs.



MistressDolly -> RE: Financial Domination (5/14/2007 11:16:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper

I've heard of everything, and although I don't personally find this interesting, I can see where some would.
 
I wanted to know how many Mistresses make this a part of regular ownership of your subs and slaves.  I don't mean tokens of homage or occasional tithes, I mean full ownership of your sub's income.


It depends how much your slave loves you.  The more he loves you, the deeper is his submission.



Lashra -> RE: Financial Domination (5/15/2007 1:38:59 AM)

I think there is a difference between financial domination and helping a sub/slave with their finances. My sub is awful with money plain and simple. He can't save money to save his soul and he is forgetful about due dates on bills. So I help him by taking a small amount ($30/week) from his paycheck and placing it into a savings account. Other then that he handles his money as he see's fit and sometimes he says he wishes that I did handle all of his financial affairs. Some people are good with finances some are not, some like my sub need assistance.

~Lashra



Elorin -> RE: Financial Domination (5/15/2007 5:48:08 AM)

I might require it for a sub that lives with me, otherwise it is not a requirement.



Nikko1962 -> RE: Financial Domination (5/15/2007 6:10:09 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lashra

I think there is a difference between financial domination and helping a sub/slave with their finances. My sub is awful with money plain and simple. He can't save money to save his soul and he is forgetful about due dates on bills. So I help him by taking a small amount ($30/week) from his paycheck and placing it into a savings account. Other then that he handles his money as he see's fit and sometimes he says he wishes that I did handle all of his financial affairs. Some people are good with finances some are not, some like my sub need assistance.

~Lashra


In a previous relationship, I prepared the monthly finances, cash flows, bills, etc.  Then I had to present them to her with "recommendations".  We both had white collar professional jobs, so the amounts weren't an issue.  The undercurrent came from her deciding, in particular, where the excess went.  It was a nice exercise.  Something about being threatened to be put on a budget would make me think of her with every purchase, regardless of how trivial.  Nice little burn.  I've made my share of mistakes in my professional office.  Never made a mistake in preparing the monthly spreadsheets at home.



chiaThePet -> RE: Financial Domination (5/15/2007 7:20:25 AM)

During conversation with Domme whom i had only recently met,
within less than a week, She began discussing complete ownership
of my property, including power of attorney surrendered to Her.
Though honesty and intent are important to a relationship, and
the fact that She might even be commended for Her up front
advancement of monetary requirements, the immediate trumping
of all other subject matter lead me to believe She was seeking a
bank account, not so much a boy. A relationship will evolve as
it will, understanding of expectation important to such, but if She
needs to know the depth of my pockets before She knows the
depth of my heart, it will give me pause for concern.

With Love and Respect, chia* (the pet) 



YesMistressIrish -> RE: Financial Domination (5/15/2007 7:43:06 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Domin8tingUrDrmz

Since I like to be in control of things, being in control of the finances only makes sense to me.  I get to know that the bills are paid, on time, and are kept current.  I get to decide what happens to money left after paying bills, whether it is invested, or used for entertainment, or for new toys.  Why wouldn't I want to control that area as well as any other aspect of my relationships?

Controlling the purse strings does not equate to neglecting a slave's needs.


Yes, what she says!



YesMistressIrish -> RE: Financial Domination (5/15/2007 7:47:07 AM)

And: Asking slave/sub for suggestions, opinions, and advice. Then the Domme deciding what to do with the $$$.



HeavansKeeper -> RE: Financial Domination (5/15/2007 7:59:00 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

During conversation with Domme whom i had only recently met,
within less than a week, She began discussing complete ownership
of my property, including power of attorney surrendered to Her.
Though honesty and intent are important to a relationship, and
the fact that She might even be commended for Her up front
advancement of monetary requirements, the immediate trumping
of all other subject matter lead me to believe She was seeking a
bank account, not so much a boy. A relationship will evolve as
it will, understanding of expectation important to such, but if She
needs to know the depth of my pockets before She knows the
depth of my heart, it will give me pause for concern.

With Love and Respect, chia* (the pet) 


And endlessly wise choice on your behalf.  Transfering power of attorney literally makes you a slave in the eyes of the system.  Any person would be remiss in signing those documents to someone they wouldn't kill or die for.



Calandra -> RE: Financial Domination (5/15/2007 9:17:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper

I've heard of everything, and although I don't personally find this interesting, I can see where some would.
 
I wanted to know how many Mistresses make this a part of regular ownership of your subs and slaves.  I don't mean tokens of homage or occasional tithes, I mean full ownership of your sub's income.


I think it's interesting that everytime someone mentions financial Domination people leap to the conclusion that the Domme is RECEIVING the money...
 
My toad moved in in January. He admitted that he sucks with budgeting. I took over his finances willingly so he could devote his time and attention to Me. Now in a month, two of his paychecks go to pre-existing bills and obligations. The other two go towards the household in ways such as his car insurance, gas money (he commutes), medications, automobile maintenance, cell phone (yes he added a second phone so we could keep in closer touch for free through wireless networking, but I didn't require that from him).
 
All in all, he probably costs more to the family budget than he "pays in", but by managing his money I am in control, and I cut down on the amount he costs to the family.
 
I have done long distance budgeting of another submissive in the past. He was always in trouble, yet made enough to live comfortably. I took over his finances, put him on an allowance and then paid his bills (with his money) until they were caught up. Afterwards, I taught him how to prioritize and he is still using those skills today. Having an authority in his life helped him to stop "impulse" spending and retake control of his life.
 
I get sooo tired of generalizations...... 



HeavansKeeper -> RE: Financial Domination (5/15/2007 9:24:23 AM)

I was particularly interested in seeing if any Dominant ...."abused" the finances of the sub, but in a good way.
 
I have a friend who's a PSO, and she's currently doing a financial domination thing.  People pay her to be a spoiled bitch.  They buy her things from wishlists, send cash, check, give her their credit cards, etc.  I know it's hard to be in a long term relationship with a Master who is almost violent with spending the sub's money, but I wanted to know if anyone used it as control.  To remind the sub that any money they make is simply property of the Master, to be used how they deem.
 
I didn't mean to make a generalization that suggested Masters who do the finances are abusive.



MsKatHouston -> RE: Financial Domination (5/15/2007 9:31:24 AM)

I enjoy financial domination.  This is especially true with someone who makes a lot of money but does not have a lot of money.  I can put him on certain restrictions such as bringing lunch to work, only giving him so much money for entertainment, etc.  Once he has established some good habits of living a bit less extravagantly, then we can move on to adding the wants in life here and there.  You'd be surprised how a few sacrifices here and there can mean more money saved and more bills paid off pretty quickly.  The added incentive that he is doing it to sacrifice for me can make it easier.  Then when good habits are established, he has a useful skill.

Do I abuse it?  No.  But I think for all that time I spent and money I have saved him, a nice dinner on him might be in order for one of the "wants" after awhile.



Calandra -> RE: Financial Domination (5/15/2007 9:32:13 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper
I didn't mean to make a generalization that suggested Masters who do the finances are abusive.


I'm sorry I didn't mean to imply that YOU were generalizing... just replying to your OP and considering how people normally generalize.
 
I have actually done what you are asking... even had a slave once who sent very incriminating pictures and wanted Me to blackmail him for money... the fantasy for him was the loss of control. 



FelinePersuasion -> RE: Financial Domination (5/15/2007 9:42:21 AM)

If the partner I had did something like you did, well then I would not of gotten nearly 2 thoughsand dollars in debt from credit card abuse. I do not spend rampently any more,* ok most days* But it's the biggest bitch ever trying to dig out of that hole on a small income where bills take most everything.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Calandra

I have done long distance budgeting of another submissive in the past. He was always in trouble, yet made enough to live comfortably. I took over his finances, put him on an allowance and then paid his bills (with his money) until they were caught up. Afterwards, I taught him how to prioritize and he is still using those skills today. Having an authority in his life helped him to stop "impulse" spending and retake control of his life.
 



MiladyElaine -> RE: Financial Domination (5/15/2007 10:32:41 AM)

Since the only relationship I will even consider will be 24/7 and a slave, his money will naturally go to Me to pay bills and do as I see fit.  he will consider himself lucky to get an allowance to eat on at work, purchase gifts, and keep fresh flowers on the dining table!



Mysia -> RE: Financial Domination (5/15/2007 11:03:17 AM)

I find it rather natural to have control over the money, no matter who brings it in. However, I do insist on my sub having his own bank account and savings. Savings is untouchable by him or me unless we split, then it's his to start over with. Checking is his but I control what it gets spent on. This seems to be the most legally acceptable way to do things, least that I've found. I do like the idea posted earlier about the sub doing the books and making recommendations. Will have to delve more into that here.



DiannaVesta -> RE: Financial Domination (5/15/2007 12:18:24 PM)

First of all the FETISH of financial domination is completely different then a woman controlling EVERY aspect of a slaves life INCLUDING money. Financial slavery, human ATM's, money pigs and the like have sexual/mind fucking fantasies about being raped financially, left with nothing, used and abused. Like degrees of submission financial servitude/domination has many degrees.


1) Blackmail- Extortion - this really doesn't fall into the realm of financial slavery, per se but often they are intertwined. This is a fantasy of course although it could involve the real exchange of money.


2) Human ATM, Money Pig - Not good for nothing but his money. In this fantasy he is simply not worthy of your time and attention so he pays for it. There are many buzz words in this fantasy but the essence is humiliation, control and draining him of his money/power.


3) Financial Slavery - He works his ass to provide for you often doing without in order to make your life easier/better. You are his Queen/Goddess and he truly does exist to please you. Buying you things and doing things for you is part of this.



NOW in the very real realm of female domination a woman may decide to control every single facet of his/her life all the way down to how they make and spend their money. In the list above number 1 & 2 are pretty much ONLY fantasy scenarios and people play with words. I get A LOT of these calls on my fantasy line & its meant to be just that.. FANTASY. The core of 1 & 2 is that a woman has the power to manipulate him into turning over a precious asset, his money.


Number 3 is more common and actual in femdom relationships. Us Goddess/Bitch/ Queen types always have a few men around that work especially hard to make us smile, do thing for us and buy us presents. These guys also come in many degrees/levels of commitment.


A woman that sets a budget, controls earning and spend, IS simply taking control of HER property. THIS is female domination.


I'm into number 3 but will play with 1 & 2 and have a lot of fun with it. If I have a live-in slave I control all the money in the household. If they don't live with me they still contribute in some way so a certain amount is set aside for this reason.
I really don't always want the responsibly of taking care of someone else's debits and bills.



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