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RE: G/grammar - 5/17/2007 5:14:10 AM   
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I thought I might speed things along with a picture book.

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I'll save you the trouble of searching past threads & give you the shortened/condensed version























LOL, very good  and true!


Oh by the way.... this same book works well on all topics to be discussed just change the title to... slave vs submissve, defining terms, origination of terms, your not a real dom/sub/slave & my personal favorite... you're rude if you don't reply to emails


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RE: G/grammar - 5/17/2007 7:38:03 AM   
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I like it!  I feel it shows respect in writing!!


Doesn't writing a well written sentence with respectful wording work as well?

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RE: G/grammar - 5/17/2007 8:01:56 AM   
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I use proper English grammar when I'm posting on a public forum, such as this one. In a private one-on-one situation or among friends (such as the IRC chatroom I frequent), I'll use "You" and "i", but only if I feel comfortable enough with that person/group of people that it wouldn't be awkward. Starting out with that kind of weird Internet BDSM grammar is a subtle form of submission in my opinion, and it's equally as inappropriate to jump into that as it would be to call somebody "Mistress" or likewise. And some people are just uncomfortable with it in general, and if that's the case I'm fine with it, doesn't make me feel any less subby to type normally.

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RE: G/grammar - 5/17/2007 11:21:17 AM   
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I love how P/people get so hung up on words,slashes etc. 6 pages long on Grammar...

To Me what they are writing about is more important than whether its spelled correctly.



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RE: G/grammar - 5/17/2007 4:05:58 PM   
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True, the message is the important part... but in an online environment, where your sole method of presenting yourself is by the text that you type, the form of the message matters also. I'm sure that there are exceptions to this, but I think that many, if not most, of us will perform a reflexive evaluation of how seriously we react to a post based on the form that post takes. A post that's well thought-out and typed up, to me at least, garners a more serious response than one that is disjointed, ill-constructed, etc.

Words have power... and power is something I really, really hate to waste.

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RE: G/grammar - 5/17/2007 4:26:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressSassy66

I love how P/people get so hung up on words,slashes etc. 6 pages long on Grammar...


Have you heard of the Bikeshed effect?

Basically, imagine a city planning council of some sort. Two plans are subjected to them: a nuclear plant, and a bike shed.

With regard to the nuclear plant, the going heavy, and the implications serious, so everyone just takes a step back and trusts the experts unless it looks like they have made any glaring omission. Most of the councillors won't even read half the plan. None of them will make any major revisions.

When it comes to the bikeshed, however, everyone has an opinion. The construction, the materials, the color, etc., they're all open to debate. Everyone wants to leave their mark. Most still haven't read half of it, but all will make revisions.

The net result is that the nuclear plant turns out well, and is finished in no time, while the bikeshed, however, will take forever to pass, and what is eventually approved will look nothing like the original proposal.

Seem in any way familiar or applicable?

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To Me what they are writing about is more important than whether its spelled correctly.


Hear, hear.

I couldn't care less about the spelling and grammar, as long as I'm able to work my way through it. There's only one poster on this forum whose posts I have great difficulty working through (no names), and it's not even my native language. Whether it's harder for native speakers, or people just have very limited patience, I couldn't comment.

Usually, whether the argument is well done can be established in the first few seconds. If it is something I'd like to address, I work my way through it and reply. If not, I make a call on whether the post has interesting content, and skip it if it doesn't, unless it's a thread I'm specifically trying to keep abreast of.

Some care about presentation, some care about content, some care about both.

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RE: G/grammar - 5/17/2007 4:39:16 PM   
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Sometimes the "slashy" speak can be a bit eye straining to read, although I have begun to mentally wipe out one letter and the slash to ignore it.  I tend to look at the "slashy" speak and the third person or non person talk as someone else's "thing"...not for me, but whatever floats that person's boat. 

Submissive or not, I use proper grammar and spelling when typing posts and emails.  Even as a submissive, I fully expect all potential partners to attempt to do the same for me in emails, and find that I have more respect for those in posts who take the time to do so as well. 

In the internet world, our first impression of someone is typically with the written word.  I believe that making a good first impression is important.  If in an email, the person writing to me can't take the time to think out what they are writing and proof for grammar and spelling, it doesn't make a good impression on me.  It comes across as though they are careless.  I certainly wouldn't want to be involved in this lifestyle with someone who was careless.

In instant messages and chats (although I rarely go to chat, can't follow them), I don't pay attention to spelling or grammar.  It is more conversational and many people don't type very well.  I assume they are trying to keep up the "conversation" and so it isn't important to me.

Screen names I type as the person has typed them.  As for mine, names are proper nouns, and therefore I capitalized it. 

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RE: G/grammar - 5/17/2007 6:50:13 PM   
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So... my next question with regard to the slashy speak and efforts at communication and all that is...

when we are at munches, and we hear someone saying "H-hi S-sir P-paul", G-good e-evening M-mistress M-mary...H-how a-are  y-you t-this e-evening..."

Are they speaking in slashy speak or simply stuttering?

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RE: G/grammar - 5/17/2007 7:18:53 PM   
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I rather lost interest in this thread a while back, but since it's along similar lines, I'll throw this out.....

I would say at least 8 out of 10 emails that I get from submissive people I don't know (but who identify me as 'dominant') who put their name in the email will put it in lowercase.  When I reply, sometimes I put their name in the address line in lower-, but sometimes in upper-.  If they reply back a 2nd time in lower-, then I'll be consistent with them.

But in an opening email, I don't think this is expected or required.  Sure, some might think it's acknowledgement of 'place', but that's like saying you are submissive to 'all' dominants, and we know that's not true, or how it should be.

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RE: G/grammar - 5/17/2007 11:32:33 PM   
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About two days before My Pet joined this forum, she started using basic sub-text.  It didn't really bother me, but I decided to set certain rules for her.
 
I noticed I started ignoring the Dom side of the slash-text.  In my eyes, U/us becomes us.  "Submissive Power!"
 
I liked this post.  I learned a lot.

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RE: G/grammar - 5/26/2007 8:30:06 PM   
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If in an email, the person writing to me can't take the time to think out what they are writing and proof for grammar and spelling, it doesn't make a good impression on me.


One might want to bear in mind that dyslexics and those who have English as a second, or even third, language will have more than just a hard time with the proofing. Combine the two, and there is little chance of getting it right at all, particularly with "complicated" words (and one might not make such a good impression writing Simple English either, right?).

Remember that English and the Romance languages (e.g. French) are the only ones who have even remotely similar vowel transliterations as those found in English.

When a person who speaks other PIE-family languages wants to write something like "pace", it might come across as "pais", for instance, which a spell checker would suggest you change to "pays" instead. Hardly an improvement. I have a fairly decent command of the English language for a non-native speaker, and would dare consider myself fluent in it, but not everyone has spent years reading and corresponding in English. One wonders how well the average English speaker would fare in, say, Norwegian?

Dyslexics tend to spell phonetically, which rarely harmonizes well with the transliteration used in English, but can usually be read with very little difficulty (just read it out loud, and it will make sense), provided one does not use a spell-checker. Attempting to proof it without spending minutes on every word poring over a thesarus can be disasterous sometimes, and that may equate to anything from a few hours to a few days on a decent self-introduction.

Hardly worth it to appeal to someone who doesn't have enough interest in what is being said to have a go at reading it.

To me, the coherency and structure of what is being said is far more important than spelling and grammar, and substitutes for such in terms of making a first impression for the simple reason that these actually reflect the person's thinking and personality, rather than a specific skillset that will have no impact on our relationship.

Odd colours and font sizes (or, worse yet, all-uppercase writing) would be a lot more likely to cause me to have a negative impression.

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It comes across as though they are careless.  I certainly wouldn't want to be involved in this lifestyle with someone who was careless.


This is a non sequitur: if someone is careless in writing, it does not follow that they are careless in dealing with the health, safety and sanity of another human being, nor that they are careless in their relationships.

One could argue that it could be a sign of general carelessness, expressing itself both in their writing and in their BDSM practices, but without anything other than their writing to go on, there is no reasonable way to infer this, and making the mental connection can even give a false sense of security the other way around (otherwise, the connection would be entirely superfluous).

There are some areas of life in which I am careless- some by habit, some intentionally- but there is a distinct line between being careless about something trivial, and being careless about something important; there is also a very distinct line between being careless about something that affects myself, and only myself, and being careless about something that affects others as well.

Many people have been careless, or even intentionally did things that might lower others' opinions of them, and are still meticulous about matters that concern others directly.

And, again, one could paraphrase Hanlon's Razor to the effect that "Do not attribute to carelessness that which may be adequately explained by lack of proficiency with the written word"...

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Screen names I type as the person has typed them.  As for mine, names are proper nouns, and therefore I capitalized it.


This is a convention I also try to follow, including rephrasing if the screen name / username starts out with a lowercase letter and would end up at the start of a phrase. Just a matter of calling people what they call themselves.

As for capitalizing proper nouns, there is a long-standing tradition on computers of spelling screen names ("nicks" / "logins" / "usernames") with all lowercase, although I cannot recall the exact reason for this. It clearly predates the Internet, though, and certainly the Web by years to decades, so it doesn't have anything to do with "cybering" or BDSM-themed chatrooms.

The convention of capitalizing the screen names of Doms, lowercasing the screen names of subs, and capitalizing the last letter of the screen names of switches, makes sense for chat rooms where people don't know each other. For those who follow the convention, it allows a newcomer to the room to identify the orientation of the people in it at the expense of a single letter. Again, nothing to do with "cybering", though.

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RE: G/grammar - 5/26/2007 8:42:59 PM   
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I was trained, as a sign of respect, when I went into forums and chat rooms etc to do that, but I got so many that took offence to having their name capitalised when I thought it was male and it wasn’t or thought that it was female and it was male and I had not capitalised it.  Some user names it's hard to tell.
 
They took so much offence that I decided to just capitalise the start of a sentence and capitalise all names unless it actually said somewhere it was sub/slave and it was clear, I have had less trouble this way.
 
It goes against what i am used to doing but i dont like to  upset people, who get uptight over things like that, i enjoy talking to people and dont want to stir up trouble, but in some places it does not take much to do that.
 
If to much drama i just leave, its pathetic sometimes what you see.
 
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