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MaamJay -> RE: Post-War PTSD and the lifestyle (5/19/2007 1:26:44 AM)

I've often thought that it takes more strength to reveal vulnerability than it does to hide it.

Let your boys LOVE you through this time. I agree that professional therapy is a must for this debilitating condition and that addressing the sleep deprivation is priority 1. I also agree with the idea of doing a bit more commanding (let them find pleasure in serving and caring for you) and less sadistic play as you may not be in a fit state to be in control of yourself. Being out with your therapist is fantastic as they can understand facets of your nature which may impact on your recovery. But remember too, that the therapist has only come to know you in your "damaged" state. Your boys presumably know the "original you" ... the you that hopefully can return as the demons are laid to rest. They can be a powerful force in helping you to heal and re-find yourself. I was once privileged to be the friend who knew the "original man" and worked with his therapist to help him back to health and happiness. It was an honour to be so trusted and it was something I did with great love and the willingness to be there any time of the day or night that he needed me. When he first approached me, he was a former muso friend I'd not seen for ages and I was stunned at his bravery in asking. When he said "the therapist is great but they don't know the who I used to be" ... it spoke straight into my heart.

I wish you all the best as you take on the biggest battle.

Maam Jay




WhiplashSmile -> RE: Post-War PTSD and the lifestyle (5/19/2007 2:04:29 AM)

This is a subject that I don't talk about much or share with many people.  I made a bold post back in Feb this year to the "How did BDSM help you" thread.  http://www.collarchat.com/m_857772/mpage_1/tm.htm#859277

Needless to say I grew up with PTSD complete with Freddy Krueger like nightmares.  I used to dread going to sleep at night and having nightmares.  I would lay in bed at night trying to keep from falling asleep out of fear.  My family did not fully grasp what was going on with me other than I was just a kid that suffered from having Bad dreams or nightmares.  The nightmares started around the time I was 4 and were frequent up until I was around 15 years old.   The older I grew I thought I was being demonically attacked at night literally, this was how bad it was for me.  Around the time I was in 5th-6th grade I actually started making crosses out of all kinds of things, blessing them with prayers and hanging around ever portal/opening into my room.  Just doing shit I had seen from watching TV horror movies or shows where people combated demonic forces.  This somewhat worked and it helped reduce or ease the nightmares for awhile.  But I was one freaked out puppy dog growing up as a child fearful that something demonic was screwing with me at night.  A nice buzz word for these type of dreams is "Waking Dreams",  hell I'd swear I had my eyes open looking at my room, I'd hear the footsteps and then something jumping on me shaking my body, pulling on my legs.  The bitch is how a childs mind processes things with PTSD and deals with it growing up.

About the time I turned 14 my fear of this nightmare attacker slowly started to transform into anger out of frustration.  I was sick and tired of being scared, attacked, harassed and not being able to sleep at nights.  All the prayers, Crosses, and even protection pentagrams were simply not working for me.  Yes, I even resorted to making pentagrams from a few books on witchcraft.  I even tried Egyptian wards/glyphs... Well, I think you get the idea here. Anyways none of these things worked and I was at the end of my wits and rope... Hence, I became frustrated and angry.   So I found myself literally getting pissed off, one of the center themes to my nightmares was a door.  Whenever a door showed up in my dreams I grew fearful, knowing full well that my demonic attacker was going to come after me from the other side of it.   Mine was a big hairy creature, a sort of demonic version of big foot.   Needless to say, if I think about Big Foot it scares me still to this day.   Funny, I mentioned that on a previous thread as well.  Anyways, I actually read somewhere about people being able to take control of their nightmares.. literally be able to consiously interact with their dreams.  Hell, I tried everything else and it did not work.  Long story short after working at it hard, I found myself starting to be bolder and bolder in my dreams... then one night when I was coming out of a nightmare and being still attacked in a "waking dream" level.. I finally managed to speak directly to my attacker.. it was very difficult.. however, stupid as it was I found myself saying "Who are you?"... I felt the hands that were shaking my legs freeze while still having a grip on me.   WOW.. this was uncharted territory...  Next thing I felt this whole enity jump on my whole body.. and the first time ever I heard it's voice in exchange.. a super low beastly tone.. an extremely low forceful heavy breath threaten me with "One of these days I'm gonna get you"... and I swear I literally felt this whole demonic attacker simply fade away.   That was my last experience with it!  WOW...  I still had dreams from time to time about that door, however I found myself charging at the door opening it and trying to attack first. LOL... 

For many years I thought I had actually had a demonic experience growing up!  Hell, I still remember when Nightmare on Elm street 3 :  Dream Warriors came out.. I felt a strong connection that whole damn movie it was not funny!  Hell, I even went out and bought the Dokken Cassettee tape to listen to "Dream Warriors" over and over again.  Learned how to play the song on my guitar. 

I need to move this post along faster...  Needless to say it was not until around 1994 that I became aware I suffered from Post Traumatic Stress.  It actually made me laugh to discover this!  It was a great experience to suddenly realize that I had not been a victim of demonic attacks or any crap like that.   Long story short, I ended up getting counseling, therapy and buying books and going through the process.   The real bitch was when all the suppressed memories started happening, major flashbacks to aweful things that happened.  Growing up I had a set of memories about my childhood abuse, however these were more mild memories compared to the shit I had suppressed. 

The bitch has been working through PTSD triggers and behaviors, and my PTSD is more more manageable.  I've had to learn to embrace all the wonderful things that PTSD did for me.  It drove me to explore religion at an early age, it made me less trusting of the world around me, got me pissed off enough to learn how to confront my own personal fears, Mind you the thoughts of running into Big Foot still scares the hell out of me (no walks alone in the forest for this dude),  I know why big foot scares me and it's connected to a childhood incident with my childhood attacker that happened in the woods outback of our house. 

I'm posting a lot here in the hopes that perhaps somebody growing up with a similar PTSD experience will not feel alone, or be able to indentify with this.   Perhaps there are those that still believe they are the subject to demonic attack and are not aware it's really PTSD. 

PTSD has affected my life in more ways then just nightmares.  The trick is realizing that you have PTSD then seeking proper help, and becoming more self aware and being able to develop coping skills.   PTSD is natural for anybody that has gone through a major stressful event, be it rape, childhood abuse, war, victim of violent crime, even major automobile accidents and other things that can be the cause of PTSD.

Anyways I'm just another person on these message boards and I have a past fucked up childhood, go figure.  I've shared with everybody a little of my bagage (um.. make that Samsonite Luggage set) with the hopes that it's of some value for somebody. To at least let them know that they are not alone, that there are others out there.




sleazybutterfly -> RE: Post-War PTSD and the lifestyle (5/19/2007 2:43:56 AM)

I dated a Dom in the military last year.  He was still over there and with that he had a lot of issues (not that I blame him).  I am not sure I would call them anger issues, but there was some instability there.  If he had admitted that he might need some help I would have been all for staying with him and helping him thru things.  He couldn't admit there was a problem (or wasn't ready to), so I did have to walk away (I felt for my own well-being).

Just be totally upfront with yours and don't be afraid to let them know everything going on with you.  We all have things that bother and get to us.  I feel sometimes that dominants don't like to show that part of themselves for fear it will make them seem weak or less in control.  I prefer one that can let their guard down and allow me to help them in any way I can.  I am as much there to support and care for them, as they are for me.




WhiplashSmile -> RE: Post-War PTSD and the lifestyle (5/19/2007 5:24:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sleazybutterfly

I dated a Dom in the military last year.  He was still over there and with that he had a lot of issues (not that I blame him).  I am not sure I would call them anger issues, but there was some instability there.  If he had admitted that he might need some help I would have been all for staying with him and helping him thru things.  He couldn't admit there was a problem (or wasn't ready to), so I did have to walk away (I felt for my own well-being).

Just be totally upfront with yours and don't be afraid to let them know everything going on with you.  We all have things that bother and get to us.  I feel sometimes that dominants don't like to show that part of themselves for fear it will make them seem weak or less in control.  I prefer one that can let their guard down and allow me to help them in any way I can.  I am as much there to support and care for them, as they are for me.


This is part of the reason why I tend to not share these things with many people.  It can be difficult at times because some people will view one as damage goods or as a broken person. 

One thing that can be a bit problem is being able to switch from introspection to extrospection at times.  I think LA somewhat hit the nail on the head with her comments about submissives not expecting perfection or greatness all the time. When you are aware you have something like PTSD you tend to do a high degree of introspection, and become blind to looking at things from the outside looking in, or seeing things outside oneself.  

Accepting and/or asking for help when you need it the most actually makes you a stronger person, not a weaker one.  Many people have it all backwards.  

I believe Dom/mes should actually think about it.  Why bother having relationships with submissives or others if you don't allow them to do anything for you? These people are there for you when you need them the most. 

Sure it might feel like they are trying to top you, but really they are not.  They are trying to provide you with the best service ever.  Hell many of the most powerful people in our society pay good money to hire personal assistents, trainers and coaches to tell them what they need to do to improve their life.   Many Dom/mes simply need to look at their partner(s) as fullfilling these service roles and be more open minded about it.




Elegant -> RE: Post-War PTSD and the lifestyle (5/19/2007 5:30:53 AM)

Just one thing I have to say:

Thank You For Your Service




moki1984 -> RE: Post-War PTSD and the lifestyle (5/19/2007 3:46:02 PM)

I just got out of the military myself recently and I have seen many with PTSD. The process of dealing with this is different for everyone...my suggestion would be to talk to your boys and be honest firstly...then maybe take a few days just to yourself and see how you do without them ...you may find they are your rock in a way




JSin -> RE: Post-War PTSD and the lifestyle (5/20/2007 12:01:46 PM)

Um yeah Bushy is taking care of getting rid of those pesky Benefits right now.. wouldn't want damaged soldiers cared for.
JSin

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ORIGINAL: NControlofU

Get off the computer & get on the phone with the V.A.  Health Care Benefits: 1-877-222-8387.  Don't wait until the shit gets so bad, you do something really stupid. 


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ORIGINAL: CRSN

Right now it is suicidal actions and thoughts, feelings of EXCESSIVE guilt, anxiety, anger, hatred, betrayal, loud noises especially booms and blasts make me hit the deck, I have VIVID flashbacks, Im upset with men, my government, my life choice to go in. I dont sleep but maybe 1/2 hours a night. Perhaps Im just tired?





JSin -> RE: Post-War PTSD and the lifestyle (5/20/2007 12:10:15 PM)

I have PTSD issues <not from the war but from another kind of war the streets of LA during the gang wars there> I understand what you are talking about and with care it does get better, others have recomended therapy and this can be very helpful. Asking for help and forgiveness is not weak. In fact in my view it takes a much stronger individual to ask for forgiveness and help than someone who is going to do it on thier own.. Face it YOU ARE FUCKED UP. It is not your fault. You did what you could and got broken in the process. No one blames a plate that is broken cause it got cracked..

In terms of the lifestyle... above all other things be honest and listen. Talk about your guidelines and limits. Yes as a Dominant you get to have those too... Sometimes you are not going to be capable of playing safely. Learn to recognise those times and communicate to others when those times are. In many ways and cases play can be a wonderfully healing way to deal with some of the issues you are facing.

But remember it takes time. When I finally escaped from LA and the life I had to deal with there it probably took 5 years and a lot of therapy to learn to deal with my symptoms. The hightened startle response the whole guilt thing all the crap that goes with PTSD. Be patient and kind to yourself and understand that you can and will heal with work... Well maybe not really heal but you can learn to function and enjoy life again.

Best of luck
JSin

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ORIGINAL: CRSN

I was just curious... I just got out of the army back in march. I was discharged with PTSD and because of it I feel like I am letting my boys down. Its a ego blow to say the least. Im a Domme and I was just curious should I perhaps take a break and heal? Admit I might be possibly broken? Or perhaps keep truckin it and realize my boys can help me get through it and admit I need the support? Its a hard thing to deal with, and the fact I feel I have all this pressure to be the big bad provider and the fact I have to admit I have this problem kills me. Any advice?




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