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robertolapiedra -> RE: Good sub/slave or brat? (5/16/2007 8:58:45 PM)
Hello cherishedgirl. For long term? No, too much of a bad start. For short term? No, too much of a bad start. For casual? I do not do casual, I do not know. I guess it would depend on the brat's attention span and 'emotional' age... RL. PS: Another word for brat is 'undisciplined'. You are talking about undisciplined 'adults' here.

cherishedgirl -> RE: Good sub/slave or brat? (5/17/2007 12:37:30 AM)
ooooo thank You A/all for the answers[sm=flowers.gif] i think the verdict is be Yourself [sm=dance.gif][sm=flowers.gif]

m0rgan -> RE: Good sub/slave or brat? (5/17/2007 5:22:45 AM)
about right i guess, if you are acting at the start, and someone likes the fake you, they will be a touch fucked off if they then find out you are really different, it would be nice to find an honestly obedient one! maybe i shall purchase one from the philippines!!!

sabba -> RE: Good sub/slave or brat? (5/17/2007 6:06:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Valyraen ..... Having someone being constantly obedient or constantly a pain in my ass gets old and boring, not to mention very irritating. Besides, people are people and need to be able to express themselves in changes of mood and projection... there're plenty of human robots out there already. greetings Master Valyraen; Why does being constantly obedient have to mean boring? A slave can be obedient, yet still maintain her intelligence, wit, charm, charisma, etc. Pleasing her master should be the number one goal, but no one said that one has to be boring or emotionless to do so. When a slave disobeys her master, especially on purpose for "punishment" it's really a plea for attention. Are there realy slaves who set out to disobey? Being obedient just means that the girl is following her master's instructions, and isn't that what all slaves should do? well wishes, sabba{CB}

SimplyMichael -> RE: Good sub/slave or brat? (5/17/2007 8:24:04 AM)
I cannot stand brattiness. However, I want a woman who is not only my intellectual equal but who has the ability to engage me on that level in CIVIL discourse, and by ability I mean not only intellectual horsepower but the verbal skills and confidence to express herself clearly. I want a woman other men lust for not because of her fine ass but because she just knocked their socks off in a conversation about a subject they thought they knew. I want a woman who can spot when I am being inconsistent or otherwise full of shit and call me on it respectfully. I want a woman who can challenge my ideas and make me reexamine them and or look at them from a different perspective. In short, I want a woman who enriches my life not just engorges my cock. Lucky bastard that I am, my woman offers all that to me and more!

juliaoceania -> RE: Good sub/slave or brat? (5/17/2007 8:38:23 AM)
My Daddy does not really like brats per se. He does not mind a bratty side to a submissive, but someone who is a brat to gain attention is not to his taste. It becomes all about them, and I know he wants something that will be all about either us, or him. Now I would say I have a bratty side, but alas, I do not really have one of those. I am an imp at times. It is fun to tease him by being impish, and THAT he likes a lot. It makes him laugh. definition of imp imp ([image]http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ibreve.gif[/image]mp) n. 1. A mischievous child.2. A small demon. I can be very mischievious.... weg

sambamanslilgirl -> RE: Good sub/slave or brat? (5/17/2007 8:52:50 AM)
good as in obedient? then i would have to say that's being rather limited in what a dom looks for in a submissive/slave. Daddy was looking for a woman who was just more than just "good" but also independent, intellectual, motivated, etc but yearning to be more with nurturing guidance. i do have a mean-spirited brat side to me however He doesn't like that in me when it rears its ugly head sometimes.

RavenMuse -> RE: Good sub/slave or brat? (5/17/2007 10:50:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cherishedgirl i was wondering if You would rather have a good sub/slave or brat? The only thing a brat would get, is shown the door. Don't think however that a good girl can't be feisty, can't banter, can't have fun... she simply knows where the 'lines' are drawn and she will not willingly cross them.

imthatacheyouhav -> RE: Good sub/slave or brat? (5/17/2007 11:05:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael I cannot stand brattiness. However, I want a woman who is not only my intellectual equal but who has the ability to engage me on that level in CIVIL discourse, and by ability I mean not only intellectual horsepower but the verbal skills and confidence to express herself clearly. I want a woman other men lust for not because of her fine ass but because she just knocked their socks off in a conversation about a subject they thought they knew. I want a woman who can spot when I am being inconsistent or otherwise full of shit and call me on it respectfully. I want a woman who can challenge my ideas and make me reexamine them and or look at them from a different perspective. In short, I want a woman who enriches my life not just engorges my cock. Lucky bastard that I am, my woman offers all that to me and more! Well said....

charismagirrl -> RE: Good sub/slave or brat? (5/17/2007 1:03:34 PM)
i like julia's word...IMP...it's appropriate and you can still be an imp and a good obediant girl. When i first met my Daddy, as i said before, i was a SAM...by the time we were spending alot of time together in person however, he had somehow gotten rid of the brat. (still not so sure how he did it, except that i want to please him so deeply)...Anyway, when the SAM was gone and i was with my Daddy at first i didn't know how to be exactly....if i wasn't a brat and if i wasn't a vanilla, what was i supposed to be? This lead me to a semi robotic phase, that i just did what i thought was expected but my attitude was dulled down. Not sure quite how to describe it, i was just trying to be obediant....and trying to be a blank canvas to work on. It took me some time to get passed that stage and then slowly, i started to figure out how much i could joke around or when to talk and what inflections and all of that. It's almost like i was created from scratch with what my Daddy slowly and naturally brought out in me. i was so concerened that the way i acted around my Mom and friends would be the only way i could be, and Daddy told me to onot worry about it, that different ppl bring out different parts of us. So although i am obediant (not always but never disobediant on purpose) i still have a side that jokes and is playful and who laughs and giggles. (oh yeah and i occasionally have something inteeligent to say too LOL :))

celticlord2112 -> RE: Good sub/slave or brat? (5/17/2007 2:23:57 PM)
Ultimately....both. quote: ORIGINAL: cherishedgirl Hello Sir's/Ma'am's ... i am new to this site, but not to the lifestyle. i was wondering if You would rather have a good sub/slave or brat? i am not sure which i am sometimes i am really good and other times, i am a PITA... all answers would be very welcome [sm=flowers.gif]

AquaticSub -> RE: Good sub/slave or brat? (5/17/2007 6:40:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sabba quote: ORIGINAL: Valyraen ..... Having someone being constantly obedient or constantly a pain in my ass gets old and boring, not to mention very irritating. Besides, people are people and need to be able to express themselves in changes of mood and projection... there're plenty of human robots out there already. greetings Master Valyraen; Why does being constantly obedient have to mean boring? A slave can be obedient, yet still maintain her intelligence, wit, charm, charisma, etc. Pleasing her master should be the number one goal, but no one said that one has to be boring or emotionless to do so. When a slave disobeys her master, especially on purpose for "punishment" it's really a plea for attention. Are there realy slaves who set out to disobey? Being obedient just means that the girl is following her master's instructions, and isn't that what all slaves should do? well wishes, sabba{CB} Disobeying to get a "punishment" isn't always a plea for attention. Sometimes, and always in our relationship, it's an invite to play and a way of alerting him that I'm "in the mood". If he doesn't want to play, I get ignored, told to do something else, or, if I persist, sent to the corner. If he does, then we both have great fun as he "punishes" me for how "bad" I was. And no, masters don't get the crotch-reading power of always knowing when their pet is in the mood for playtime. [:D]

sabba -> RE: Good sub/slave or brat? (5/17/2007 6:51:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub Disobeying to get a "punishment" isn't always a plea for attention. Sometimes, and always in our relationship, it's an invite to play and a way of alerting him that I'm "in the mood". If he doesn't want to play, I get ignored, told to do something else, or, if I persist, sent to the corner. If he does, then we both have great fun as he "punishes" me for how "bad" I was. And no, masters don't get the crotch-reading power of always knowing when their pet is in the mood for playtime. [:D] greetings aquaticsub; Yes, sabba forgot what side she was on. In sabba's realm, punishment is punishment.....never for sabba's pleasure, and certainly not something sabba asks for. However, it sounds like it is working for you, so have fun being bad! well wishes, sabba{CB}

Valyraen -> RE: Good sub/slave or brat? (5/17/2007 6:58:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sabba greetings Master Valyraen; Why does being constantly obedient have to mean boring? A slave can be obedient, yet still maintain her intelligence, wit, charm, charisma, etc. Pleasing her master should be the number one goal, but no one said that one has to be boring or emotionless to do so. When a slave disobeys her master, especially on purpose for "punishment" it's really a plea for attention. Are there realy slaves who set out to disobey? Being obedient just means that the girl is following her master's instructions, and isn't that what all slaves should do? well wishes, sabba{CB} Sabba, It doesn't, and by no means was I saying that such is the case for everyone. It is for me, though... like I said in my previous post on this thread, I'm a happy guy when Aqua flashes me some sass, or manages to pop off a zinger and shrink my head back down small enough to fit into my hats. I don't have any interest in maintaining a relationship with someone who doesn't challenge me, and I don't see any fun in a relationship with someone who won't do anything but what I tell her to. To be honest, I don't always want Aqua to obey... Hell, if I wanted that, I'd train a puppy, not a submissive! I thrive on the dynamic that our relationship provides, as does she, and part of that dynamic is the fact that I encourage her to question - especially to question me.

sweetnurseBBW -> RE: Good sub/slave or brat? (5/17/2007 7:17:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Valyraen quote: ORIGINAL: sabba greetings Master Valyraen; Why does being constantly obedient have to mean boring? A slave can be obedient, yet still maintain her intelligence, wit, charm, charisma, etc. Pleasing her master should be the number one goal, but no one said that one has to be boring or emotionless to do so. When a slave disobeys her master, especially on purpose for "punishment" it's really a plea for attention. Are there realy slaves who set out to disobey? Being obedient just means that the girl is following her master's instructions, and isn't that what all slaves should do? well wishes, sabba{CB} Sabba, It doesn't, and by no means was I saying that such is the case for everyone. It is for me, though... like I said in my previous post on this thread, I'm a happy guy when Aqua flashes me some sass, or manages to pop off a zinger and shrink my head back down small enough to fit into my hats. I don't have any interest in maintaining a relationship with someone who doesn't challenge me, and I don't see any fun in a relationship with someone who won't do anything but what I tell her to. To be honest, I don't always want Aqua to obey... Hell, if I wanted that, I'd train a puppy, not a submissive! I thrive on the dynamic that our relationship provides, as does she, and part of that dynamic is the fact that I encourage her to question - especially to question me. But is being a brat the way to do it? Being a feisty and spirited is totally different

AquaticSub -> RE: Good sub/slave or brat? (5/17/2007 7:38:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sweetnurseBBW But is being a brat the way to do it? Being a feisty and spirited is totally different As has already been said, the difference between a brat and a good sub/slave is all in the viewer. There are some people who would consider me a brat. Valyraen considers me to be his good Kitten. What I am depends entirely on the point of view of the viewer.

sweetnurseBBW -> RE: Good sub/slave or brat? (5/17/2007 7:40:40 PM)
That didn't answer the question. I dont care of others definitions. Being feisty is different than being defiant and disobedient. I'm sure you know.

AquaticSub -> RE: Good sub/slave or brat? (5/17/2007 7:51:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sweetnurseBBW That didn't answer the question. I dont care of others definitions. Being feisty is different than being defiant and disobedient. I'm sure you know. That's the best answer I think you will ever get. Someone will view my playful sassing of Valyraen and ask "Why do you tolerate such bratty behavior?". The answer is that he doesn't view it as as bratty. I know what my definations of fiesty and bratty are. Yours may be considerably different.

sweetnurseBBW -> RE: Good sub/slave or brat? (5/17/2007 8:02:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: sweetnurseBBW That didn't answer the question. I don't care of others definitions. Being feisty is different than being defiant and disobedient. I'm sure you know. That's the best answer I think you will ever get. Someone will view my playful sassing of Valyraen and ask "Why do you tolerate such bratty behavior?". The answer is that he doesn't view it as as bratty. I know what my definitions of feisty and bratty are. Yours may be considerably different. No . To each their own. I honor a intelligent discussion not a rude one. Thank you! I like to see others points of view. I'm not putting down your dynamics. Some like to see a different point of view for arguments sake.

Dvoratrelunda -> RE: Good sub/slave or brat? (5/17/2007 8:05:02 PM)
I would very much like to hear how others define brat. I am absolutely a fan of the "lively, intelligent, sparkly, feisty, smart, strong, fiery, bright personality" brat. I have never had a brat sub that was not perfectly capable of being very well behaved when the time called for it. Sure, some needed a bit more guidance when to determine those times and that's fine by me. I do like a challenge. At least I can say no brat has ever been "quiet, passive, weak, boring, stupid, dull, background" for me. I do dread that. I could care less how well behaved, intelligent, witty or sapient they may be, if they are 'too well behaved' I'm not interested in them beyond social interaction. They may be great with a cup of coffee but not in my service.

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