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welshwmn3 -> Assumption of lack of responsibility as a slave (5/19/2007 12:51:58 PM)
In another post, somebody stated, "You say you dislike having responsibility. In the sense of being a slave rather than being a submissive, this would still fall in line. The more you submit, the more the 'owner' takes on as responsibility. At that point, without having to concern themself with 'self', all that is left to 'do' is to serve and obey. Simplistic? Perhaps, but I don't see the difference between the two as being much more complicated than that. A submissive (one that has one or more areas in their life in which they 'can't' or 'won't' submit) has to be protective of their 'areas' and be responsible for themselves in that way. A slave is freed from that." I started to respond to this there, but decided not to hijack the original poster's question. Why is it automatically assumed that because a person is a slave, that means they have no responsibility? I'm sure there are lots of submissives and/or slaves that, due to the relationship they have, are not allowed to do anything without permission. I know of submissives and/or slaves who have to ask their Masters/Mistresses for permission to get new items of clothing, or even to go to the bathroom. I'm NOT knocking the paremeters of their relationships. It's what works for them. However, there are many ways that individual people's relationships work out. Whether D/s or M/s or S/S (how does one signify switch/switch), or other power exchanges I don't know about. What works for one, or ten, or ten thousand relationships doesn't work for them all. The way I see it, the way it works in my relationship, is that the more I submit, the more I take on responsibility. If people know/when people find out that I am anybody's submissive or slave, my actions start to reflect more on my Sir/Master. The more I submit to him, and his will, the more my actions and words reflect on him. Within the confines of our power exchange, whatever I say and do can affect him in the local community. If I'm a brat, and people in the local community know that I am collared to him, they will expect him to make me behave. Even if I behave perfectly in private, if, in public, I am always disdainful of everybody, snapping people's heads off for no reason, and etc, and resist all of his actions at punishment, then he gets a reputation for not being able to control me, and if it goes on long enough, not being able to dominate any sub. Even if I am a collared slave, even if my servitude is so strict that I have to be hand fed whatever I get to eat every day and have to ask to go to the bathroom, I still have responsibility I cannot get out of. I guess I just don't understand the concept that slavery means there is no responsibility.

earthycouple -> RE: Assumption of lack of responsibility as a slave (5/19/2007 1:12:52 PM)
I agree....my slave is my slave and his responsibilites are great. Inside and outside his new home. Simply put I tell him to wash the dishes...that is now his responsibility....where's the gray? Got me.

MsKatHouston -> RE: Assumption of lack of responsibility as a slave (5/19/2007 1:18:48 PM)
I would find it extremely rare to see a slave with no responsibility. I think having no authority should not be confused with no responsibility.

Archer -> RE: Assumption of lack of responsibility as a slave (5/19/2007 1:30:50 PM)
The idea is stated simplisticly, "as you submit to ownership your responsibility is decreased" The reality of it is not that you are responsible for less, but that those responsibilities become more streamlined and the people you are responsible to become less numerous. Life's decisions become simpler when your over riding values are service and obedience. You are responsible to your owner for more things (as your duties increase) but they fit into the values of Service and Obedience. Thus you are required to Serve and to Obey and though that you will automaticly fullfill your responsibilities to your owner.

earthycouple -> RE: Assumption of lack of responsibility as a slave (5/19/2007 1:39:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MsKatHouston I would find it extremely rare to see a slave with no responsibility. I think having no authority should not be confused with no responsibility. Yes...exactly. Wonderfully stated MsKatHouston

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Assumption of lack of responsibility as a slave (5/19/2007 1:58:27 PM)
Well if you read the rest of that thread, you'll see the OP there is pretty much one of a very few who actually agreed with that idea. The rest of "us" clearly stated that it wasn't how things actually work.

ready4srvce4all -> RE: Assumption of lack of responsibility as a slave (5/19/2007 2:40:32 PM)
Welshwmn, I agree with you entirely. I am Mistress slave, but being so doesn't mean I no longer have responsibility. In fact, I think myself and all fellow slaves may even have greater responsibility, because of all we are expected to do, and to anticipate the needs of our Mistress/Master so as not to displease them, rather than waiting around to be told what to do. As you mentioned, each relationship in the particular dynamic is totally individual. Take for example the slaves that must ask even to go to the bathroom. To be a proper slave, one must be responsible to mind even the smallest details. I feel slaves carry a greater burden of ensuring the day to day activities, cleaning, laundry, etc. and therefore carry great responsibility. You are so correct about how we reflect on our Dominants, and I discuss with Mistress even simple things like the humourous posts, to know that I am not crossing any lines that may reflect poorly on Her. That is indeed a huge responsibility we take on. (edited for spelling)

welshwmn3 -> RE: Assumption of lack of responsibility as a slave (5/19/2007 3:00:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross Well if you read the rest of that thread, you'll see the OP there is pretty much one of a very few who actually agreed with that idea. The rest of "us" clearly stated that it wasn't how things actually work. That's why I brought my tangent elsewhere, as I didn't want to railroad her thread :). She just caused me to think and wonder, which isn't a bad thing :).

Viridana -> RE: Assumption of lack of responsibility as a slave (5/19/2007 3:01:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: welshwmn3 Why is it automatically assumed that because a person is a slave, that means they have no responsibility? I agree with you. I do believe everyone, and slaves included , have responsibilities however in different quantities that may be. However I do feel that some slaves are in "this lifestyle" only to cop out on having any responsibilities. I get the feeling that they are living in some sort of fantasy world where they can cast aside all personal baggage and responsibility to another person and thinking by that it will fix their life somehow and easen the burden that is life. And whenever I come across one like that I feel a bit sad for their part. No matter how much you run from taking personal responsibilities, it will always catch up to you.

MadRabbit -> RE: Assumption of lack of responsibility as a slave (5/19/2007 3:01:58 PM)
Unless the Master finds some way to micromanage every single possible detail that releives the slave of making even the slightest decision, then the slave has some responsibility. You can reduce the amount of responsibility a person has, and thus provide a degree of freedom. For example, if I am responsible for managing the money and providing the income, that is somewhat less stressful and less burdenous then the responsibility of cooking dinner. Thats just how I see it and in my opinion, the whole life with no responsibility concept is a romantized ideal.

earthycouple -> RE: Assumption of lack of responsibility as a slave (5/19/2007 3:04:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross Well if you read the rest of that thread, you'll see the OP there is pretty much one of a very few who actually agreed with that idea. The rest of "us" clearly stated that it wasn't how things actually work. If this was directed to me, I'm confused.

welshwmn3 -> RE: Assumption of lack of responsibility as a slave (5/19/2007 3:05:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Archer Life's decisions become simpler when your over riding values are service and obedience. You are responsible to your owner for more things (as your duties increase) but they fit into the values of Service and Obedience. Thus you are required to Serve and to Obey and though that you will automaticly fullfill your responsibilities to your owner. I really like this part, and you put far better what I was trying to say. Thank you.

MadRabbit -> RE: Assumption of lack of responsibility as a slave (5/19/2007 3:05:38 PM)
This a rehash of another thread where several people, including myself, stated opinions about the whole non responsibility thing.

welshwmn3 -> RE: Assumption of lack of responsibility as a slave (5/19/2007 3:08:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ready4srvce4all You are so correct about how we reflect on our Dominants, and I discuss with Mistress even simple things like the humourous posts, to know that I am not crossing any lines that may reflect poorly on Her. That is indeed a huge responsibility we take on. Hmm, now you've given me more food for thought. Sir does not care what I post on message boards or the like, as he says that's "my thing". But what you said does remind me that, even here, people know me IRL and what I say and how I say it reflects on him. Thank you for the reminder!

adoracat -> RE: Assumption of lack of responsibility as a slave (5/19/2007 3:13:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: welshwmn3 quote: ORIGINAL: ready4srvce4all You are so correct about how we reflect on our Dominants, and I discuss with Mistress even simple things like the humourous posts, to know that I am not crossing any lines that may reflect poorly on Her. That is indeed a huge responsibility we take on. Hmm, now you've given me more food for thought. Sir does not care what I post on message boards or the like, as he says that's "my thing". But what you said does remind me that, even here, people know me IRL and what I say and how I say it reflects on him. Thank you for the reminder! coughs gently ;) but yes, i agree....one of the ways it helps me is to remember that i'm always a reflection of who Sir is on how i act in everyday life....even when he isnt around to see my behavior. its oddly helped my self-esteem. kitten, who often ponders.

MagiksSlave -> RE: Assumption of lack of responsibility as a slave (5/19/2007 4:46:27 PM)
what thread are you talking about??

viperess -> RE: Assumption of lack of responsibility as a slave (5/19/2007 5:26:11 PM)
Greetings, Thank you to the OP for this thread. It did make me sit back and look at how i view my responsibilities. To me being a slave frees me from some responsibilities but at the same time gives me many also. To me my responsibilities are all directed in my service to my Master. In this i mean i am responsible for doing the things i know He expect from me, being responsible for my thoughts, words, and actions as to me all i do and say is a reflection on Him. i am responsible for making His life easier, for keeping the home as He desires it, serving meals that He likes, in other words doing everything in a mannor that He will find pleasing. As my service to Him grows then my responsibilities grow, as i get to know Him better then my level of service grows and my surrendering things outside the home are relinquished more and more. Respectfully,

clover -> RE: Assumption of lack of responsibility as a slave (5/19/2007 6:37:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave what thread are you talking about?? I think it's this one. http://www.collarchat.com/m_996121/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm

spanklette -> RE: Assumption of lack of responsibility as a slave (5/20/2007 4:00:48 AM)
Somebody once told me that you can delegate authority, but not responsibility. I've found that statement to be true in my professional, as well as my D/s dynamic. Daddy is my manager for lack of a better term. He can choose which tasks to assign me, but He is always responsible for seeing them completed...even though He has given me the authority to complete the task. He is responsible for my behavior while giving me the authority to be fairly autonomous. I hope that makes sense...it is 4:00 in the morning here, after all.[:D]

salilus -> RE: Assumption of lack of responsibility as a slave (5/20/2007 5:44:19 AM)
Let's see... I'm no longer responsible for the finances or deciding what time I go to bed or, sometimes, what I eat. However, I am responsible for anything my Daddy wants or orders or asks me to do. I'm responsible for different things.

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