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MistressRouge -> RE: Dominants entitlement..or submissives desire to please (5/22/2007 11:54:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stella40

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ORIGINAL: MistressRouge

For a rewarding and successful dynamic, 50/50 exchange, a mixture of both.

[:)]


I agree with this 100%. I don't think you can be too simplistic and divide people into Dominant and submissive, because when it comes down to it we're just talking about people - individuals - who prefer either the dominant or submissive role in their close personal relationships.

What it all boils down to I guess is such a relationship can only be successful when there's honesty, openness, trust and communication where the needs, wants and desires of each is met by the other and everything becomes mutual.

Someone identifying themselves as submissive and wanting to serve and someone identifying themselves as dominant and wanting to be served to me is a bit of a no brainer - it goes without saying. But just because you identify yourself as a submissive doesn't necessarily mean you are able to serve any Dominant, and vice versa. Good intentions are fine, you may want to serve, or you may wish to be served, but these intentions usually come to nothing unless you're with the right Dominant or the right submissive.

In my opinion in BDSM nobody is entitled to anything, it doesn't matter if you're a Dominant or a submissive, you don't just get yourself into a relationship by being entitled to something. Nice nicks and nice words are fine, but you only get yourself into a successful D/s relationship by backing up your words with actions, inspiring trust and confidence in the other person, and being open and honest about what you really want from the relationship. That is, unless you want a one-sided relationship.  


My thoughts exactly stella [:)]. Compatibility, love, trust, enhancing and gelling together as a unit, whatever D/s indentification. To have the right balance like ying&yang, yang&yang or ying&ying [:D].




jaunty1 -> RE: Dominants entitlement..or submissives desire to please (5/22/2007 2:49:41 PM)

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I've noted that Dominant types,  on several occasions post that a submissives job is to "make the Dominants life easier".  Is this based on the Dominant being entitled just because they identify as Dominants?  Or is it a direct result of the submissives desire to please?   Is it a combination of both?

Interesting question. Quite honestly, the only reason why I have a slave is so that my life is easier. Without her, there are quite a few things that I would have to concern myself with that she willingly takes care of.
Does she do this because I feel that I am entitled to it simply because I call myself a Dominant? No. She does it because that is the nature of OUR relationship and what she agreed to at the beginning.
Does she do it because of a desire to please? I hope so , but you would have to really ask her what her exact reasons are for agreeing to become my property.
 
Live well
 
Alex




swtnsparkling -> RE: Dominants entitlement..or submissives desire to please (5/22/2007 3:01:15 PM)

 
The art of dominance is not making your submissive do what you want; its making her want what you want.
marctheknife




CreativeDominant -> RE: Dominants entitlement..or submissives desire to please (5/22/2007 5:22:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: spankmepink11

I've noted that Dominant types,  on several occasions post that a submissives job is to "make the Dominants life easier".  Is this based on the Dominant being entitled just because they identify as Dominants?  Or is it a direct result of the submissives desire to please?   Is it a combination of both?

I'm not sure why, but when a "D" type states that the main purpose of a submissive is to make the Dominants life easier,  it kind of rubs me the wrong way.  I don't necessarily think that submission is a "gift" but i also wouldn't like said submission to  be something  thats taken for granted.

I want to be much more to my partner than a tool to make their lives easier, even if my desire to please accomplishes that by default.


Like Ms. Kat, I too think that there are certain things to which I am entitled.  And like her, I also believe that "entitlement" is not mutually exclusive to me.  There are things that my submissive is entitled to also.  It should all come about due to the successful beginning...and ongoing... process of negotiation and communication about wants and needs and desires and responsibilities and views of the D/s dynamic.  Does ongoing mean negotiation every day?  Not in my opinion.  I want a submissive who has, as a part of her submissive character, a desire to please me.  But for me to be "entitled" to that pleasing of me, I know that I have to be aware of, acknowledge and satisfy her other wants and needs and desires, even if it is at my discretion as to how that is done.




LadyPaige -> RE: Dominants entitlement..or submissives desire to please (5/23/2007 12:17:10 AM)

I think the root of submission is an inate desire to please.  I woud not say that Dominants are entitled to service simply because they have someone who wants to please them.  Dominants have a responsibility toward their submissive, and it is through meeting this responsibility that they earn their submissive's service.




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