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thornhappy -> RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. (5/20/2007 3:45:14 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
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ORIGINAL: Tuomas
I'm an arson investigator, and no, I did not look at the WTC. However, from my experience, there are all kinds of "thories" in these kinds of catastrophes for the simple reason that most people don't know what they are talking about. And their ignornace -supported by a bunch of people vigorously agreeing out of their own ignorance- leads them to believe things. Any things. It just has to appear plausible, and people will buy it.
Even in my own low-profile, unremarkable cases there have been conspiracy theories. Do you know how many times I, personally, have been accused of "covering up the truth" by these theorists? How many people who have argued with me that my expert conclusions were fallacious? Of course in an event as large as the WTC, there will be quite a few more people coming out of the woodwork yelling conspiracy.
And here's the thing: the official version rarely, if ever, is what we might call "the truth". Any official investigation collects as much facts possible, and reaches the best technical, rational and scientific conclusion. However, the official version excludes large portions of evidence that are not central to the investigation. This evidence then goes unexplained, fueling all the nut-jobs and their "conspiracy" theories.
Quite frankly, I expect the WTC conspiracy theories will never really go away. There will always be "plausable" alternate theories, plus theories that take into consideration only certain portions of the evidence, or theories that explore other angles. Since none of you are demolitons experts, or civil construction engineers, or avionics technicians... there is no way you can "prove" or "disprove" what anyone says in a conspiracy theory video.
You know there are many cases that i would agree with you. Often people claim conspiracy for what they do not know or put it all on god.
This is not the case with wtc. There are mounds of data that wreak in conspiracy, you should take a moment to "seriously" look at all the evidence and only then will you understand why people are risking their jobs and reputations over getting the word out against the "official" story. That and if you do not examine all the evidence in a case because you feel it is not pertinant then you cannot really blame those who know the implications of the data you chose to ignore.
The real problem is the other side of the scale that woudl let the murder of 2800 people pass without justice! Dont forget, FEMA the federal emergency management team flew into new york on the 10th "so they would be ready to go inot action the next day". that was a quote btw and although what you say is true, and i can agree that there are conspiracy kooks out there but equally bad, err wait no worse is the "non-conspiracy kooks".
trimmed due to long legth of reply: the FEMA theory is false (from Snopes.com)
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Origins: Mighty
conspiracy theories from little slips of the tongue grow. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) is an agency of the federal government tasked with responding to, planning for, recovering from, and mitigating against disasters. As part of that effort, FEMA sometimes calls upon local urban search and rescue task forces, highly specialized groups of firefighters, paramedics, and civilian specialists who have trained to handle many difficult specialized rescue situations; when dealing with larger disasters, FEMA may mobilizes these local task forces and send them parts of the country where their assistance is most needed. After the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center on 11 September 2001, the first such task force to be mobilized and dispatched to New York City was the Massachusetts Urban Search and Rescue Task Force, an all-volunteer group that arrived at Ground Zero on the evening of September 11. The 62 members of this Massachusetts group spent a week working 12-hour shifts, digging through rubble in an effort to locate and rescue trapped survivors. The conspiracy-promoting slip occurred when Tom Kenney, an officer with the Massachusetts task force, was interviewed by Dan Rather (who initially misidentified him as "Tom Kennedy") on the CBS Evening News. As a recording of the interview demonstrates, Mr. Kenney told Dan Rather: We're currently uh, one of the first teams that was deployed to support the city of New York for this disaster. We arrived on, uh, late Monday night and went into action on Tuesday morning. And not until today did we get a full opportunity to work, uh, the entire site . . . Since 11 September 2001 was a Tuesday, if the Massachusetts task force had really arrived on a Monday night, as Mr. Kenney said, they would have been deployed in New York City the evening before the attacks, a rather curious coincidence seized upon by many conspiracy buffs as "proof" that the federal government had foreknowledge of the terrorists' plans. The real explanation is, as usual, much simpler and more mundane: Tom Kenney simply mixed up his days of the week, saying "Monday" when he meant "Tuesday" and "Tuesday" when he meant "Wednesday." As someone who muddled through quite a few television interviews in the aftermath of September 11, I know how easy it is to become disoriented and confused during live interviews, attempting to hear questions coming to you through an earpiece and respond to the disembodied voice of an interviewer whom you can't see while bright lights are shined in your eyes. A person unused to the experience does well if he manages to get through a three-minute interview without making a whole host of mistakes. That someone who had been working around-the-clock in a crisis situation for two days straight might lose track of the day of the week is quite an understandable human error. Moreover, a reporter from the Boston Herald tracked down Tom Kenney to verify that he was not in New York City on September 10: To confirm, the Herald called the Kenney home on Cape Cod and spoke to Kenney's wife, who said that her husband did go to New York on Sept. 11, not Sept. 10. She explained that he was under extreme stress when Rather interviewed him, and added wryly that it was typical of her husband to confuse dates. There is nothing unusual in Mr. Kenney's mention of three different days (i.e., the evening the task force arrived, "yesterday," and "today") during the interview. Contrary to the supposition offered in the second example quoted above, Dan Rather interviewed Mr. Kenney on the evening of Thursday, September 13, not Wednesday, September 12. Mr. Kenney thus informed Dan Rather that the task force arrived late in the evening of September 11 (a day he mistakenly identified as Monday rather than Tuesday), that they went into action on the morning of September 12 (a day he mistakenly identified as Tuesday rather than Wednesday), and that they did not have an opportunity to first work the entire WTC site until September 13 (i.e., "today," the day of the interview). Sinister conspiracy rumors involving FEMA also sprang up after the 1994 Northridge earthquake. Last updated: 1 October 2002 The URL for this page is http://www.snopes.com/rumors/fema.htm
thornhappy
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