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onegoodgirl -> RE: Training End Game (5/22/2007 11:59:11 AM)
quote: OK, so "true" submission is achieved only when you no longer have a need for trust and you no longer care about self? Ummm...that doesn't sound like "true" submission to me, it sounds more like mental illness. Most D/s or M/s relationships that I am aware of are based on trust. Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are trying to say but it certainly doesn't make sense to me. LOL, agreed.

MagiksSlave -> RE: Training End Game (5/22/2007 3:13:26 PM)
"when the submission becomes such a big part of your identity and your emotional wellbeing, you will be able to surrender to true submission - not relying on trust and not caring whether or not i hurt you, just so long as you are submitting" BULL SHIT and also a read flag here. Beeing a submissive does not mean you lose your instinct of self presurvation, or that you will let anyone do anything to you as long as you are submitting. Sounds as if he wants you to be this way so that when he does start takeing advantage and/or abuseing you you will think that "Wow Im beeing a true submissive now arent I" and allow it to happen WOW trust is ALWAYS an issue there always has to be trust period in fact realtioship rely heavily on trust.. Im sorry but it really sounds as if he is conditioning you to accept upcomeing abuse. Just my take on it, but something doesnt seem right to me.maybe Im over reacting but I dont think so, this statement alone would have me packing my bags. Magik's slave

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