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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/25/2007 7:09:07 PM   
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isn't there a line somewhere that god created man in his own image? hmmm.

oh you can have lots of fun with that one!


galdurnit! quit stealing my greenness, ya fuzz ball!

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/25/2007 7:19:11 PM   
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isn't there a line somewhere that god created man in his own image? hmmm.

oh you can have lots of fun with that one!


galdurnit! quit stealing my greenness, ya fuzz ball!


dunno why it does that maybe its missing the {/uncolor} thingie but if you quote yourself you can see that is will automatically make it green, i am just to lazy to change it back to black LOL


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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/25/2007 7:25:10 PM   
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Consider that, as time goes on forever, all possibilities will be fulfilled.


Can't quite face the freelance work I should be doing, so I'm revisiting the proof. I still think this sentence is the crux. Which raises a big question: How do we know that this is true? None of us has lived forever, so how can we possibly claim to know what will happen?

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/25/2007 7:27:00 PM   
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My theory doesn't call for a God needing to be made of molecules, either.. he could be made up of pure energy, and it still holds.  Energy, too, is divisible.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/25/2007 7:58:14 PM   
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Beautifully honest.

I hope you enjoy this life. Only so much sand.. though I doubt you're one to dwell on the rate at which they pass.


Yep, I enjoy life....and I have been paralyzed by dwelling on such things.  But, I've learned the difference between wisdom and knowledge and cherish it.  I hope you find that peace as well, CuriousLord.  I'm not saying that with anything but purely kind intentions because I am seeing you write that you are having some difficulties right now.  You have my empathy.  Please don't mistake it as disrespect or analyze it as manipulation of any kind.  I don't know you well enough to even try to manipulate you, and I wouldn't humiliate you unless I was playing along with your full consent and knowledge.  (my sense of humor there in that last statement)

I see things have gone way off topic to some folks' personal emails and such.  I'm really wanting to bring the topic up some more again here, though, and really focus on some subtleties I feel were maybe passed over hastily or alluded to briefly.  (As my profile says, I really DO enjoy intelligent, civil, and philosophical conversations.)

By the way, I consider that there are many 'types' of geniuses.  From what I have seen, many geniuses are very good at many things, but really don't specialize in one thing.  I think the 'type' of genius we're talking about is the kind that has gained notariety in one particular area of acheivement (because that's really the only type we all can collectively observe) and 'that' type of genius has been joined with the notion of  them being 'insane'- for whatever reason of their actions (keeping with the context of this thread.)  But I don't really see a lot of posts that distinguish 'mentally ill' from insane.  This bothers me a bit.  "All Geniuses Are Insane" is not a fair assumption at all if we look at definitions of 'insanity' vs 'mental illness.'  Are the majority of folks posting here impressed that 'mental illness' is the same as 'insanity'?

If I look closely enough at anyone at any IQ, and I'm sure I'll find some attribute that would cause a professional to label them 'mentally ill' at one time or another in their lives.  But, insane is not (legally) the same as mentally ill, especially when a 'genius' -or anyone- is labeled criminally insane.  All geniuses are not insane.  If a person cannot distinguish between right and wrong, that's insanity and perhaps even criminal insanity by law.  If a person has a depression or angst or social anxiety disorder due to the way their brain and chemistry works in the frontal lobe, well, that's mentally  ill, but that's far from insane or criminally insane, agreed?

Or, is the fact that I can stop, refuse to tangent and re-focus here a proof that I'm really not at genius IQ?  *smiles*   No.... actually, I declined joining MENSA because I have some perceptions formed from meeting MENSA folks that, well, I'm sure people can understand.   I have nothing against anyone, I just don't see a need for it.

Which brings me around to another thought:  the notion that all geniuses look down their noses at everyone else is simply not true.  I really don't think a collective group of proclaimed geniuses does a thing to break that stereotype. *sigh*  People fear what they do not know.  I don't really feel a need to reinforce that fear.  While it's observed that most labeled geniuses are quite susceptible and have experienced  bullying,  I really don't understand why I would 'need' to join a group of folks labeled as genius by other folks except for survival against other groups?  If I do, then I would be living in fear and being a bully as well.  My herd are those in my every day life who I choose to be around and who I know on every level as harmless and loyal. 

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/25/2007 8:25:13 PM   
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I have a question, if a subbie has a genius IQ(160 or so). What affect might that have on finding a compatible partner/Dom/Domme? As one of the above posters stated geniuses tend to overthink or constantly dwell on things, which would affect finding a partner.  Guess my main question is have any subbies with genius IQ have problems in relationships? Especially in a Dom/sub relationship.


It made me incredibly picky.  LOL  I've dated 3 people in my life.  I rule out people remarkably fast.  If all you can talk about is celebrities and fashion, goodbye.  If your main entertainment is gossiping about the neighbors, goodbye.  If you can't stand being in the same room for an hour without talking while I'm reading a book, goodbye.  If I have to constantly stop and explain simple things to you, goodbye.  I have no patience.  I can talk all day with someone whose mind is hungry but is lacking the education, but put me in a room with someone who has a capable mind and no desire to use it and one of us is going to die.

As far as what caught my interest, my Sir is a mechanical genius.  He can tear into anything, find the problem, and repair it even if he's never seen that piece of equipment before.  It blows my mind.  He reads very slowly (I think he has a problem with dyslexia), but 5 years later he can argue a point in a novel and turn to the exact page that proves his point.  His mind amazes me because mine will *never* function in that way.  I love to be with him when he's working on these things because I love to watch his mind work.  I'm incredibly attracted to his mind.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/25/2007 8:26:46 PM   
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OK, but like Pamela Anderson looked great in those Baywatch stretch-suits.

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If all you can talk about is celebrities and fashion, goodbye.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/25/2007 8:33:10 PM   
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If all you can talk about is...fashion, goodbye. 


whoa nellie! are you trying to say manolo blahnik and christian louboutin aren't geniuses? are you hinting that coco chanel wasn't amazingly beyond her times? gracious me!

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/25/2007 8:53:29 PM   
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Curious Lord, I am confused, you stated that god has micromers.
You also stated that "A "micromer" is a repeated subcomponent, typically in context of repeating chains hydrocarbens in organic molecules."
Explain where you find this fact about God?  And that he must submit to the consequences of having micromers.   Or admit to the charge of using a strawman argument.  It was not on the webpage you claimed agreed with your conception of Christian Theology 100%. (and you have to pretend that eternal is the same as immortal for that page to back up your other point)

Quite simply you are confusing your faith with fact.

Also explain where you can proove that time is infinite, you can't.  It's one theory with no evidence to back it up competeing with other theories that also can't be proven or tested (yet?)  Same with yout thoery that there is no such thing as probability ( scientific predestination).   Both are interesting untested concepts, that you choose to accept them as fact has no bearing on the metaphysical nature of the unviverse and beyond.  and an argument based on your assumptions (assumptions from someone who admits to being mentally ill), is not fact but opinion.


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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/25/2007 9:07:31 PM   
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Consider that, as time goes on forever, all possibilities will be fulfilled.


Can't quite face the freelance work I should be doing, so I'm revisiting the proof. I still think this sentence is the crux. Which raises a big question: How do we know that this is true? None of us has lived forever, so how can we possibly claim to know what will happen?


The easy answer is that, assuming a possibility is something that can happen, statistically, it's mandated it must happen after infinite chances of it.

This can be drawn out.. and explained better.. but I'm at a loss for how to do so.. so it may take me a while to think of it.  I have a feeling it's going to be a longer explanation since it'll require a lot of assumptions and analogies.

Sorry to put this off- you have a good approach to this, and I'm just not sure how to answer it outside of the statistical answer yet.  It'll be a good chance for me to think about it.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/25/2007 9:12:07 PM   
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The easy answer is that, assuming a possibility is something that can happen, statistically, it's mandated it must happen after infinite chances of it.


I'm not much of a mathematician, so I'm afraid a statistical mandate won't cut any ice with me. So far as I can tell, the mandate is an assumption or conjecture based on no empirical evidence. Believing it is an act of faith--just like believing in God, no?

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/25/2007 9:29:20 PM   
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Curious Lord, I am confused, you stated that god has micromers.
You also stated that "A "micromer" is a repeated subcomponent, typically in context of repeating chains hydrocarbens in organic molecules."
Explain where you find this fact about God?  And that he must submit to the consequences of having micromers.   Or admit to the charge of using a strawman argument.  It was not on the webpage you claimed agreed with your conception of Christian Theology 100%. (and you have to pretend that eternal is the same as immortal for that page to back up your other point)


It's a repeated subcomponent.  I explained context to help you know where to look for the definition- not that this is such a context*.  Since "God" is supposedly some being made up of something we don't yet know, the micromers can be anything- just something that God consists of, whatever it happens to be.

*Outside of an analogy, which is why I chose this word.  "Micromer" typically refers to subcomponents of life as we know it.  It's a subcomponent of life.  So, while I didn't mean it as a carbon with two hydrogens bonded to it as part of a chain, it fills the analogy.


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Quite simply you are confusing your faith with fact.


I'm saying "faith isn't fact".  That God isn't real.  I readily accept Christianity's fables as a good collective myth.

Wouldn't you say you're confusing faith with fact..?

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Also explain where you can proove that time is infinite, you can't.  It's one theory with no evidence to back it up competeing with other theories that also can't be proven or tested (yet?)  Same with yout thoery that there is no such thing as probability ( scientific predestination).   Both are interesting untested concepts, that you choose to accept them as fact has no bearing on the metaphysical nature of the unviverse and beyond.  and an argument based on your assumptions (assumptions from someone who admits to being mentally ill), is not fact but opinion.


I can't prove that time is infinite..?  Alright then..

Time is a construct.  It doesn't actually exist.  Therefore, it can't stop.

However-
Humoring, for a moment, that time did stop.  That everything- including God- ceased to be.  Then he's dead.  And not immortal.  And doesn't meet the attribute defined by Christianity (as cited).

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/25/2007 9:32:57 PM   
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The easy answer is that, assuming a possibility is something that can happen, statistically, it's mandated it must happen after infinite chances of it.


I'm not much of a mathematician, so I'm afraid a statistical mandate won't cut any ice with me. So far as I can tell, the mandate is an assumption or conjecture based on no empirical evidence. Believing it is an act of faith--just like believing in God, no?



Oh, no, this concept's demonstratable.. I just want to think of how to explain it as being such.

If you want a really bland experimental demonstration, you can get one of those twenty-sided dies from a hobby shop.  If you keep tossing and getting numbers, you'll eventually get 20 three times in a row.  The odds of doing such are [20^-3), or about 0.0125%, on any particular set of three, but, it'll eventually happen.  If you never stop, it'll eventually happen.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/25/2007 9:35:28 PM   
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Time's an attributed aspect, not something that actually exists.  We use it as a device to understand why real things change.


How can we use it if it doesn't exist?



We use it all that time.  It prevents everything from happening at once.

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Time is nothing more than a freakin ruler LOL

It is intervals with an arbitrary value in cronological arrangement.

It is a more abstract tool that we use to measure with, that is why i call it nothing more than a ruler.

That is why travelling back in time is such an amusing fantasy.



I always thought of time as the particular arrangement and energy state of whatever you are observing. So, let's say you confined your test universe to a box. and removed everything in the box, energy, matter, everything. Since the arrangement in that confined universe is indistinguishable from any other instance of the universe contained in the box. Time doesn't exist. Absolute  zero in theory stops time  if you could keep all outside influences from adding energy to it. Since nothing changes, no time. So, if time is just based on arrangements and the differences between arrangements of energy and matter. And one can calculate previous states of the energy and matter. Then one could change the conditions to a previous arrangement, and effectively for all practical purposes control time forward and backward.

Time from what I gather is just observation of change and extrapolation of the states in between based on prior observations. Similiar to what you said, but it is possible to change things back to a previous state. Admittedly it wouldn't seem to be possible on the level of the Universe. But a Room, a Planet, a solar system. Maybe.

Why not? If you restrict yourself to a narrow enough test  then it's possible to create to instances that are completely identical to one another. Possible but not  easy in the least.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/25/2007 9:38:09 PM   
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The easy answer is that, assuming a possibility is something that can happen, statistically, it's mandated it must happen after infinite chances of it.


I'm not much of a mathematician, so I'm afraid a statistical mandate won't cut any ice with me. So far as I can tell, the mandate is an assumption or conjecture based on no empirical evidence. Believing it is an act of faith--just like believing in God, no?



Oh, no, this concept's demonstratable.. I just want to think of how to explain it as being such.

If you want a really bland experimental demonstration, you can get one of those twenty-sided dies from a hobby shop.  If you keep tossing and getting numbers, you'll eventually get 20 three times in a row.  The odds of doing such are [20^-3), or about 0.0125%, on any particular set of three, but, it'll eventually happen.  If you never stop, it'll eventually happen.


Getting 20 three times in a row on a die seems a far cry from saying that every possible thing will happen. Even with the die example, though, we're still in the realm of conjecture. No one ever actually has rolled a die forever.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/25/2007 9:46:52 PM   
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Humoring, for a moment, that time did stop.  That everything- including God- ceased to be.  Then he's dead.  And not immortal.  And doesn't meet the attribute defined by Christianity (as cited).


very good; i like this one! wait, does that mean there are no more shoes?

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/25/2007 10:00:11 PM   
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Getting 20 three times in a row on a die seems a far cry from saying that every possible thing will happen. Even with the die example, though, we're still in the realm of conjecture. No one ever actually has rolled a die forever.


Nor has anyone ever actually interated (counted up) by one a trillion times, from zero, to get to a trillion.  We just rely off the observation fitting the model of the world, making sense, and having basis in experimentation.

Statistical laws hold as a matter of scientific observation.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/25/2007 10:02:39 PM   
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CL i put up a thread just for you and girl

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/25/2007 10:03:43 PM   
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Statistical laws hold as a matter of scientific observation.


Have to disagree with you there. They may hold as a matter of mathematics or logic.

But no law related to infinity can be based on observation. Who's observed infinity?

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/25/2007 10:13:41 PM   
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CL i put up a thread just for you and girl



Hah, sorry, guess we did sort of hijack the thread.

Answered so many posts today that they're all sort of running together.  It's good experience in communicating ideas, though.

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