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"Iraq 'facing grim future'" - BBC, Chatham House - 5/23/2007 1:17:37 AM   
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"Iraq 'facing grim future'"
 
Last updated: Thursday, 17 May, 2007, 07:18 GMT, 08:18 UK
 
By James Robbins
BBC Diplomatic Correspondent
 
" The leading foreign policy think-tank, Chatham House, is warning that Iraq faces the distinct possibility of collapse and fragmentation.

A new report from the London-based Chatham House, also known as the Royal Institute of International Affairs, argues that the Iraqi government is now largely powerless and irrelevant in large parts of the country, as a range of local civil wars and insurgencies are fought.

The report urges a radical change in American and British strategy to try to rescue the situation.

It is not the first time Chatham House - a highly respected foreign policy institution in London - has been highly critical of American and British strategies in Iraq.

This latest paper, written by Dr Gareth Stansfield, a Middle East expert, is unremittingly bleak.

Dr Stansfield, of Exeter University and Chatham House, argues that the break-up of Iraq is becoming increasingly likely.

In large parts of the country, the Iraqi government is powerless, he says, as rival factions struggle for local supremacy.

The briefing paper, entitled Accepting Realities in Iraq, argues that "There is not 'a' civil war in Iraq, but many civil wars and insurgencies involving a number of communities and organizations struggling for power."

Dr Stansfield says that, although al-Qaeda is challenged in some areas by local Iraqi leaders who do not welcome such intervention, there is a clear momentum behind its activity.

Iraq's neighbours too have a greater capacity to affect the situation on the ground than either the UK or the US.

The report accuses each of Iraq's major neighbouring states - Iran, Saudi Arabia and Turkey - of having reasons "for seeing the instability there continue, and each uses different methods to influence developments".

The briefing paper says "these current harsh realities need to be accepted if new strategies are to have any chance of preventing the failure and collapse of Iraq".

Need for change

Dr Stansfield contends that the American security surge is moving violence to different areas, but is not overcoming it.

Certainly there is a growing sense in London and Washington that the American Commander in Iraq, General Petraeus, is likely to ask for more time to continue the surge later this summer in order to deliver results.

That will confront the Bush Administration with a real dilemma.

The president has vetoed a bill that would have set a deadline for the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq.

The bill was approved by both the House of Representatives and the Senate.
Congressional opponents of the war believe the veto signals that now it is the president alone who must take responsibility for continuing America's involvement, and the casualties.

The report urges the governments in London and Washington to change track.
It says the radical cleric Moqtada Sadr, leader of the Mehdi army (one of the major Shia militias), should be included as a political partner - no longer treating him as an enemy.

And it also calls for increasing the involvement of other countries in the region. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6664457.stm

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RE: "Iraq 'facing grim future'" - BBC, Chatha... - 5/23/2007 10:20:16 AM   
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In a nutshell....we are losing.

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RE: "Iraq 'facing grim future'" - BBC, Chatha... - 5/23/2007 10:24:27 AM   
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Yeah.. the present isn't so hot either... you know it's bad when the Hussein Regime was considered the good old days.

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RE: "Iraq 'facing grim future'" - BBC, Chatha... - 5/23/2007 10:31:20 AM   
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That description sounds like America if we keep pumping money into Iraq at the rate we're going.

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RE: "Iraq 'facing grim future'" - BBC, Chatha... - 5/23/2007 11:19:03 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro

In a nutshell....we are losing.


[sarcasm]

Now they tell us.

[/sarcasm]

I suspect they will not apologize to all the people who said this war was a clusterfuck in the making before it even started.

On a positive note, I guess our next president is going to be Al Gore.

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RE: "Iraq 'facing grim future'" - BBC, Chatha... - 5/23/2007 2:31:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro

In a nutshell....we are losing.


i'd wager the people of iraq don't think they're doing too well, either.


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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
[sarcasm]

Now they tell us.

[/sarcasm]

I suspect they will not apologize to all the people who said this war was a clusterfuck in the making before it even started.

On a positive note, I guess our next president is going to be Al Gore.

Sinergy

somehow i don't think we'll ever hear any admission regarding said clusterfuck, but i'd guess the history books won't look too kindly on it in another generation.

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RE: "Iraq 'facing grim future'" - BBC, Chatha... - 5/24/2007 2:37:51 AM   
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General reply - The struggle to survive is hurting the most vunerable members
of Iraq society especially hard -
 
 
"Unicef appeal for Iraqi children"
 
Last updated:  Wednesday, 23 May 2007, 06:26 GMT, 07:26 UK
 
" Iraqi children are getting caught up in a growing humanitarian tragedy as violence continues in the country, the UN Children's Fund (Unicef) has warned.
 
Half of the four million Iraqis who have fled their homes since the conflict began are children.

And the needs of children are outstripping the international aid that has been supplied, the agency said.

More funds were needed, Unicef said, launching an appeal for almost $42m (£21m) over the next six months. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6682489.stm

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