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Empty spaces in BDSM - 5/23/2007 1:51:15 PM   
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This is my central analogy - BDSM = theatre. After years following the latter bas a vocation, the former as a lifestyle and both as a passion has caused me to draw numerous parallels. Both bring me an immense amount of personal satisfaction and allow me to share this love and satisfaction and also find for others their personal fulfilment and satisfaction.

We all know the term painslut. As a submissive I am a smile-slut and an appreciation slut. Why am I in theatre? I will spend weeks in isolation writing plays, countless days researching, months in rehearsal with actors and make no end of sacrifices and all for the last words an actor utters on stage, the final curtain and the round of applause from the audience. But this is not just personal but shared satisfaction. The actors are satisfied, the audience, and it is this ritual of shared and mutual satisfaction which keeps me in theatre.

Away from the stage I find I can only have this very same experience in BDSM, with a Domme or with a group of people. I will do chores,clean a house, cook a dinner, massage feet, allow myself to be tied up,humiliated, whipped, caned, pissed on, whatever - all for the end of a scene or the end of a day and that smile of satisfaction and appreciation which appears on a Domme's face. I crave her pleasure and satisfaction just as much as she does, sometimes maybe even more, I love to fulfil her needs, to know and share her experiences, dreams, desires. It doesn't need to be play. It can be sitting over coffee just listening to her speak about herself, her life, it could be making her her favourite supper. This is me. How I am hardwired. My own satisfaction and fulfilment is relative to her satisfaction and fulfilment - the best times are always those times of mutual, shared fulfilment and satisfaction.

I guess I am no different from most other people in the BDSM community. I too differentiate between 'vanilla' and 'BDSM'. Vanilla is real life, it is work, it is commitments, it is bills, and everything else. And I guess like everyone else here what attracts me to BDSM is the role I can play to express myself to explore ways of expressing myself and what lies inside my soul and not only to find that immense sense of personal satisfaction and fulfilment but to share this experience with someone trusted, close to me, who is experiencing the very same thing.

And just like the actor, each and every one of us are here to share our experiences, to learn, to find new experiences and new relationships, through which we can develop our role, work on ourselves, open up and express what we truly need and desire. We know that how we play our role is crucial to the scene, to the relationship, to the arrangement, and essential to not only our own personal fulfilment and satisfaction but that of the other person we choose to interact with.

But it is not drama or acting school which teaches the actor, but the stage, the director, the theatre and the audience. Each and every role, each and every part in a play, each and every rehearsal and each and every performance brings satisfaction because it brings development, it brings learning and adds experience. And so it is in BDSM, it is a room, any room, a fetish club, a party, the community, the people we meet and interact with, each and every activity, every scene, it all brings satisfaction through the acquisition of new experiences, through development, through interaction and the achievement of common goals, desires, dreams and ambitions.

For those who are new to BDSM, new to the scene and new to the community I recommend them to read a book. It is a paperback book about theatre, it was written by Peter Brook, who is an authority on theatre, and I ask whoever is reading it to draw analogies between what is written in the book about theatre and what they encounter in BDSM. The title of the book is 'The Empty Space'. The basic thesis of the book is that theatre is defined by an empty space, an actor performing an idea, and an audience watching this performance. He classifies all theatre into four main categories - Holy Theatre, Deadly (or Dead) Theatre, Rough Theatre and Immediate Theatre.

I feel a very close analogy can be drawn from this. What is BDSM? Is it not an empty space in which a Dominant and a submissive interacts? After some thought (beware - thinking can be dangerous - especially when it's me) I feel that I can classify BDSM in exactly the same categories.

Now these are not hard and fast categories. They may exist side by side, they may be separate, or they may be intermingled in the same relationship.

HOLY BDSM
I suppose initial thoughts would immediately conjure up images of Gorean BDSM with all the lifestyle,the values, the rituals, etc. But I feel Holy BDSM is much more, it is that experience which transcends the physical, the material, and which becomes spiritual, ethereal, esoteric and intangible. It is way beyond sensual, not sexual, it is those moments of subspace, of domspace. It is the touching and enhancement of our very soul, the additional yet subliminal qualities brought into our lives, our personas, our natures. It is what draws us to a profile, to a person, that inner voice which tells us we need to go through a certain experience or seek a particular feeling or emotion. It is that invisible quality which unites us in the community but also makes us different from everyone else.

DEADLY (or DEAD) BDSM
I guess we have all been there. This is when it doesn't work out, either through some tangible, concrete reason, a mistake, or something we cannot identify or define. It is the same experience as we had before, which brought satisfaction, but which no longer brings quite the same satisfaction or experience. However we return to it, either through habit or some vain hope that this time it might be different. This is the fetish club, the party, the 'scene', where people come together, they get dressed up, they bring out the equipment, and they play. But they play for play's sake, they can no longer explain why they are playing the way they're playing, or what it brings them, but they have no new ideas, no inspiration, and thus the satisfaction is compromised. This is the 'drop', the emptiness, the inertia, the aching, the boredom and the cynicism. I guess almost all of us know Dead BDSM. 'Oh yeah,' we say, 'Been there, done that, got the T-shirt'.

ROUGH BDSM
This is not Dead BDSM, this is very much alive. This is the very early stages of a new experience or new relationship in BDSM. We are learning to walk, but we want to run, we want to sprint, it's something inside us which tells us we want everything, we want it all, and we want it now. It is 'that' moment, the inner tension and 'butterflies' concealed within the Dominant meeting a submissive at play for the first time, it is the inner tension and anticipation of the submissive when starting to play with a new Dominant. It is not knowing what is going to happen next, it is the thrill, the danger, the excitement, that element inside us which tells us to go forward and live the moment. It is the mistakes, the trial and error, the goofs, the gaffs, the times when some invisible influence causes something to happen and we react differently or burst out laughing. It is a space at the very far edge of our BDSM experience which provokes our thinking and makes us curious as to what lies beyond.

IMMEDIATE BDSM
This is when it all works out. This is trust, this is confidence, harmony, mutual acceptance and respect. This is where the Dominant knows eye contact is more efficient than spoken command, and where the submissive knows and is able to second guess the Dominant. This is the scientific aspect of BDSM, where the theory and the knowledge has become habit and instinct, and the experienced Dominant and experienced submissive are together on the same page, reading the same script and achieving the same goal or objective. This is being able to take a whip as a Dominant and deliver a stroke with the right amount of force in the right place to leave the anticipated mark and have the anticipated effect. But this is also style, your style, as a Dominant or submissive, a style you have developed and created and which works for you. Immediate BDSM is what draws you to a scene or an experience every time. It's what causes you to write a profile, it influences what you put in a profile, when you change your profile, how you respond to replies, and how you approach each and every new experience.

This is something I've drawn from my experiences and from my observations. I feel they all fit into the above categories.

Does anyone feel the same? Does anyone have any alternative classifications?

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RE: Empty spaces in BDSM - 5/23/2007 1:59:00 PM   
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Well you combine Ds and BDSM into one thing, I don't do that.  To me they are separate- one is a relationship orientation/dynamic, the other (bdsm) is a hobby/set of hobbies of things I enjoy doing which are considered kinky type stuff.

I agree that bdsm can be a lot like theater- I even developed a presentation called "Mise en Scene" going over how to use elements of theater to enhance and add creativity to scenes.

But I don't separate bdsm from vanilla in terms of work/play.  I have hobbies- some are kinky, some aren't.  I also am motivated in relationships as a slave by things other than the recognition or approval of the master.

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RE: Empty spaces in BDSM - 5/23/2007 2:03:01 PM   
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No, I don't feel the same way.  I feel much less art from BDSM than I do from other things.  Perhaps my heart is cold- but emotions hardly reach me.

I don't divide things up, either.  Such divisions, when rough and lacking clearly defined boarders, invite error.  Art-addicts love these, as cruising through such error is an art.

I know of a former slave, though, who I released as she thought it was purely theater.  Yes, she was a theater major.






I do sense in many that BDSM is a role to play.  I believe more roleplay than they realize.  Doms order subs to do things that they both know are wanted- the Dom saying it is just a kink.

How much of the BDSM community is actually a Dominant acting as he pleases, with a submissive who does as he says for the simple fact he ordered it- not because it was something she already wanted or is otherwise in her foreseeable best interest?  I do not know.

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RE: Empty spaces in BDSM - 5/23/2007 2:03:41 PM   
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So am I, I have different motivations, but I just picked one central main element of my whole submissiveness.

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RE: Empty spaces in BDSM - 5/23/2007 2:23:37 PM   
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      The comparison is a valid one.  There are the rituals in both, the masks within both, the pageantry beholden few other places other than Theatre, D/s (and B&D and S&M … which many differentiate) and oddly Role Playing (the more “geeky kind” of games not sex). On the surface I agree; for many though in all three of these aspects, their line between life and passion blur.  (Note: I am not saying B&D, S&M or D/s is the same as those who loose themselves in the RPGA … just noting many similarities.)
     There are moments when you examine who you are, by what you do and define yourself in terms of one aspect of your life (usually the most important aspect of your life).  I do hope your comparisons help you define your own life, and perhaps others can see the comparisons and learn of themselves.
    

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RE: Empty spaces in BDSM - 5/23/2007 2:25:17 PM   
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Hmm, some interesting ideas, and I can see the merits of them.  However I don't personally understand the split between vanilla and BDSM or D/s.  I tried it, but I soon realised that it wasn't something I was happy with - or could do.

Why?  Simple.  I am who I am, and I make no excuses for anything about Me.  If asked a question I will invariably give a straight answer - not always the best thing to do I know, but that's Me.  I came to realsie that I have to embrace ALL of who I am at the same time, and that means to Me that I live how I want to.  I don't shout about My 'dark' (to the so called vanilla world) side, but at the same time I don't deny it. EVER.

My movtivation in life is very simple - enjoy it as much as you can, death is always close by.  I learned that through two serious accidents when I was young, both of which cost Me dear in terms of permanant physical after effects and were life altering.  As a motorcyclist I am very aware of how close death can be, having lost friends throughout the years and having seen accidents, but this does not stop Me riding.

D/s and BDSM is not art, nor theatre or anything else for that matter to Me.  It's Life.  It neither rules nor does it restrict what I do.  Maybe I am simple or stupid, but that's how it is for Me.

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RE: Empty spaces in BDSM - 5/23/2007 3:10:58 PM   
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There are so many variances in the life style and we take on aspects of a few different areas, but I don’t look on D/s, BDSM or anything else as a play.
 
Its part of who I am and I don’t look on it as acting, I don’t look on the rest of my life, - work, and other things I do outside my home as acting either its all part of me.
 
I don’t actually like the word vanilla, I know it refers to anyone that does not have BDSM or D/s in their life at all, but I believe most do even if its just slightly, I don’t actually believe any person is vanilla, that is like putting everyone else that is not into BDSM or D/s into that category when everyone is different.
 
Then there are people that get into things that some would say are BDSM, but these people don’t know about BDSM or don’t related it to what they have heard which is usually the bad or the extreme, I know my impression of BDSM was pretty bad until I learnt more about it,
 
I am more into D/s and into some aspects of BDSM, and I have a vanilla part of my life which is all me, my unique package.
 
I don’t consider the package that is me an act which is what you do in a play. There for my life is not a play.



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RE: Empty spaces in BDSM - 5/23/2007 3:45:57 PM   
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I suppose I stand here terribly confused.  In my mind this is what I see:  BDSM = Bondage/Discipline, Dominance/Submission, Sadism/Masochism, and Slave/Master.  Does BDSM mean something I've never heard before?  When someone says I'm into aspects of BDSM that could mean all or parts to me. 

Why is D/s not a part of BDSM? What seperates it?  I realize that we can take any piece of that and engage in or not engage in...but that piece is still part of a whole concept. 

For me personally I engage in Bondage (woo hoo), not too much discipline...I'd rather have a well behaved slave.  Dominance and of course to be dominant I must have a sub or slave, and I am a huge fan of sadism for masochists.

Can one of you who feels there is a difference share with me so I can be more in the loop *S*

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RE: Empty spaces in BDSM - 5/23/2007 5:47:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: earthycouple
Why is D/s not a part of BDSM? What seperates it?  I realize that we can take any piece of that and engage in or not engage in...but that piece is still part of a whole concept.

For many it is not.  Many people simply engage in the relationship dynamics of authority exchange but don't do any kinky stuff.  Or, they consider that they do so much other than "bdsm" that it doesn't fit with them.

FOr me it helps to clarify whether I'm discussing "stuff I do" or "relationships I'm in."  Just because I'm whipping someone doesn't mean I'm their dominant.  Just because I'm a slave to someone doesn't mean I'm a masochist. 

As usual, it comes down to preference.  I prefer to keep them separated. 

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RE: Empty spaces in BDSM - 5/23/2007 8:59:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

I don't divide things up, either.  Such divisions, when rough and lacking clearly defined boarders, invite error.  Art-addicts love these, as cruising through such error is an art.



It seems as though you divide things up. For instance dividing off a slice of humanity and labeling them art-addicts. Maybe you can explain how this isn't an instance of dividing things up.

Not that I'm against dividing things up. I mean how can we acknowledge an error without facing the division which stands between the erroneous and everything else?

As for the original post, and poster, I think every truth can be told in many ways. The set of metaphors proposed strike me as one worthwhile set of lenses through which to view the subject matter.

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RE: Empty spaces in BDSM - 5/23/2007 10:09:25 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Noah
quote:

ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

I don't divide things up, either.  Such divisions, when rough and lacking clearly defined boarders, invite error.  Art-addicts love these, as cruising through such error is an art.



It seems as though you divide things up. For instance dividing off a slice of humanity and labeling them art-addicts. Maybe you can explain how this isn't an instance of dividing things up.


Sure.  I said "when rough and lacking clearly defined boarders".  My statement involved a gradient boarder- the more true the condition, the more true the implication.   (i.e., the more of an art-addict one is, the more they'd like this).  A gradient-boarder
contrasts against unclear boarders in the presense of a coorelation as opposed to random error.

Not that being an art addict is such a bad thing!  Some would argue it's most human.


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ORIGINAL: Noah

Not that I'm against dividing things up. I mean how can we acknowledge an error without facing the division which stands between the erroneous and everything else?

As for the original post, and poster, I think every truth can be told in many ways. The set of metaphors proposed strike me as one worthwhile set of lenses through which to view the subject matter.


It works, sort of, as long as you don't layer other things on it.

For me, as I layer many levels of logic to derive massive systems of logic as opposed to individual subjects in my head, little errors in things can cause global errors, just like one bad line of computer coding can cause a crash.

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RE: Empty spaces in BDSM - 5/24/2007 7:03:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

quote:

ORIGINAL: earthycouple
Why is D/s not a part of BDSM? What seperates it?  I realize that we can take any piece of that and engage in or not engage in...but that piece is still part of a whole concept.

For many it is not.  Many people simply engage in the relationship dynamics of authority exchange but don't do any kinky stuff.  Or, they consider that they do so much other than "bdsm" that it doesn't fit with them.

FOr me it helps to clarify whether I'm discussing "stuff I do" or "relationships I'm in."  Just because I'm whipping someone doesn't mean I'm their dominant.  Just because I'm a slave to someone doesn't mean I'm a masochist. 

As usual, it comes down to preference.  I prefer to keep them separated. 


Thanks for your reply.

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RE: Empty spaces in BDSM - 5/24/2007 7:24:12 AM   
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Like Em I do not seperate my vanilla(loathe the word) from my BDSM 'life' - they are simply parts that make up me.  I have kinky activities and hobbies, and not so kinky and some just plain boring to others!
Life just exists - just because that includes 'vanilla' activities and BDSM identified one, doesnt mean they have to be pushed apart.
 
And I also do not combine BDSM and Ds - I see them as seperate.  You can have one without the other and visa versa.
 
I suppose it can be compared to theatre - but then so can vanilla life.  In fact LIFE - period -  is a stage.  Is a show.  It is the theatre.  It isn't restrcted to BDSM.
 
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RE: Empty spaces in BDSM - 5/24/2007 7:26:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

I don't divide things up, either.  Such divisions, when rough and lacking clearly defined boarders, invite error.  Art-addicts love these, as cruising through such error is an art.


I am compelled to point out I am a total art addict - and I LOATHE divisions as above.
 
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RE: Empty spaces in BDSM - 5/24/2007 10:00:07 AM   
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That is very interesting stella40. I would enjoy attending your play (theatre)

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