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NakedGirlScout -> RE: sad today... (5/24/2007 3:39:22 PM)

Thank you everyone for all the thoughtful responses.

The one which caught my breath was Simply Michael's post. Everything he said in that was exactly what I've been told by my Master. It was spot-on word for word on the things I've been hearing. It was so eerie to hear it. I'd appreciate it if I could speak to you personally further about this topic maybe in email? I believe you may be the person to have exactly the kind of experience and insight I need to work through things. I need good advice and insight very badly, and it gives me a lot of hope that if you got past those issues then we may be able to get past them as well.

For anyone who suggested leaving the relationship, that is not an option I will entertain unless he became physically violent. We are husband and wife and I do take my vows with absolute sincerity. Furthermore I love him with all my heart, I am having problems yes but I need to solve them not ditch them. I am not knocking anyone for saying they would leave, but it's not for me.

LA, I need to respectfully request that you please not reply to any more of my questions. Although I know you mean very well and are helpful to many people, nearly everything I receive from you is way off base and personally extremely upsetting to me, especially if I'm having real serious difficulties. I do not want to block or hide everything you write since I enjoy reading your posts in response to other people, with whom you're probably on a better understanding. I sincerely hope you do not take offense, some people just don't see eye to eye due to different personalities.




kyraofMists -> RE: sad today... (5/24/2007 4:19:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NakedGirlScout
LA, I need to respectfully request that you please not reply to any more of my questions. Although I know you mean very well and are helpful to many people, nearly everything I receive from you is way off base and personally extremely upsetting to me, especially if I'm having real serious difficulties. I do not want to block or hide everything you write since I enjoy reading your posts in response to other people, with whom you're probably on a better understanding. I sincerely hope you do not take offense, some people just don't see eye to eye due to different personalities.


Lucky's advice was that you and him need to work together to get through the struggles that the relationship is having and to discuss your expectations of each other and the relationship.... what could possibly be extremely upsetting about that?

Knight's kyra




BlindDescent -> RE: sad today... (5/24/2007 4:30:52 PM)

There are many potential ingrediants in a situation like this regardless of Ds or vanilla.
In no particular order: Bored / suffocated/ peaked and done/ wasn't as Master/Dom in rt as you thought he was/ wasn't up for the ultimate unilateral energy flow you percieved he could give, you need/ you expcet more than he can take/ the energy flow has changed the dynamic once the M/s relationship manifested/ he can't manifest the M/s 24/7  / pushing limits isn't a sustainable interest in him.... There are so many issues that could be influencing this situation from both sides. The biggest one being that men often run out of gas when there is no longer the pursuit factor tweaking thier primitive soul. Too many times I have heard: "He caught me, now what?" or the ever popular wedding vow paradox..."He said I do; then he didn't."
As most responders have spoken; dialog is crucial. If you cant talk about what the issues are; it sounds pretty doomed.




SirKitty -> RE: sad today... (5/24/2007 4:49:40 PM)

Sounds like he's being a man. Not meaning to offend anyone, most men have become very feminized. Once upon a time men carried their own problems inside until they figured them out. Nowadays most men love to do the entire female excessive emotional exchange that I call the "Organ sniffing"  ritual. (i.e. sharing all sorts of intimately personal information that's realy no one's business except the people it actually effects).

Leave him alone. Stop being such an emotional parasite. Do your own time. Maybe, he's discovered that he doesn't need this master/slave crutch anymore. Maybe he's got a toothache. who knows. Don't you have a book you've been meaning to read? Must he constantly entertain you? Maybe you should get a 2nd job.






Faramir -> RE: sad today... (5/24/2007 5:26:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SirKitty

Sounds like he's being a man. Not meaning to offend anyone, most men have become very feminized. Once upon a time men carried their own problems inside until they figured them out. Nowadays most men love to do the entire female excessive emotional exchange that I call the "Organ sniffing"  ritual. (i.e. sharing all sorts of intimately personal information that's realy no one's business except the people it actually effects).


Men who feel threatened by contemporary social and political structures, who talk about how men now are emasculated, are speaking from their own insecurities and fears.

The world hasn't made men pussies.  Rather, pussies in every age feel threatened, and try and blame an exterior source for their malaise.  Maybe she needs to read a book or get a 2d job.  Maybe you need to freshen up.




NakedGirlScout -> RE: sad today... (5/24/2007 5:37:21 PM)

again, SimplyMichael's post was absolutely the most helpful thing anyone could have written, and I don't intend to defend my feelings about who upsets me or why--most especially to someone other than the person I had addressed. If that person is sufficiently curious they will ask me privately, but it's not a big deal anyhow.

These forums can be a real goldmine of knowledge and at this moment I have found exactly what I was needing from someone, and hope to continue the discussion with him if he would oblige me. I am extremely grateful to this man right now.




earthycouple -> RE: sad today... (5/24/2007 5:40:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NakedGirlScout

Thank you everyone for all the thoughtful responses.

The one which caught my breath was Simply Michael's post. Everything he said in that was exactly what I've been told by my Master. It was spot-on word for word on the things I've been hearing. It was so eerie to hear it. I'd appreciate it if I could speak to you personally further about this topic maybe in email? I believe you may be the person to have exactly the kind of experience and insight I need to work through things. I need good advice and insight very badly, and it gives me a lot of hope that if you got past those issues then we may be able to get past them as well.

For anyone who suggested leaving the relationship, that is not an option I will entertain unless he became physically violent. We are husband and wife and I do take my vows with absolute sincerity. Furthermore I love him with all my heart, I am having problems yes but I need to solve them not ditch them. I am not knocking anyone for saying they would leave, but it's not for me.

LA, I need to respectfully request that you please not reply to any more of my questions. Although I know you mean very well and are helpful to many people, nearly everything I receive from you is way off base and personally extremely upsetting to me, especially if I'm having real serious difficulties. I do not want to block or hide everything you write since I enjoy reading your posts in response to other people, with whom you're probably on a better understanding. I sincerely hope you do not take offense, some people just don't see eye to eye due to different personalities.


You must be kidding, right?  What gives you the right to enter a public forum, toss out your personal life for any and all to read...and not just once, but often....and then have the gall to suggest that someone not respond to you????  Simply because you don't feel her posts are helpful to you doesn't mean you have a right to tell her not to express her opinions.  These forums are here for ALL of us...and if someone else is going through something similar to you then LA (Or anyone) could be helpful to them.  You have a block button and a scroll bar.  I suggest you use them instead of giving backhanded compliments to a frequent poster who often has good thoughts on varying topics. 

I held very little regard for you before because you always seem to be moaning about your suggested awful life...now I just pity your ignorance.




imthatacheyouhav -> RE: sad today... (5/24/2007 5:44:00 PM)

Respectfully...one can ask for just about anything...weather one gets what was asked for is an entirely different thing.




michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: sad today... (5/24/2007 5:47:00 PM)

maybe it's time to find a new Master to me... someone that cares more about you than his friends or hobbies.




eyesopened -> RE: sad today... (5/25/2007 3:10:47 AM)

Physical pain (other than induced on purpose) is nature's way of telling us something needs to be fixed or amputated.  Phychological pain is the same thing.  Like a wound, it hurts, and to do absolutely nothing is to risk infection, but once it starts to heal, to constantly pick at it will keep the wound open, risk infection, and will never heal.  If the analogy applies.....




SirKitty -> RE: sad today... (5/25/2007 3:23:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Faramir

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirKitty

Sounds like he's being a man. Not meaning to offend anyone, most men have become very feminized. Once upon a time men carried their own problems inside until they figured them out. Nowadays most men love to do the entire female excessive emotional exchange that I call the "Organ sniffing"  ritual. (i.e. sharing all sorts of intimately personal information that's realy no one's business except the people it actually effects).


Men who feel threatened by contemporary social and political structures, who talk about how men now are emasculated, are speaking from their own insecurities and fears.

The world hasn't made men pussies.  Rather, pussies in every age feel threatened, and try and blame an exterior source for their malaise.  Maybe she needs to read a book or get a 2d job.  Maybe you need to freshen up.


Perhaps you misunderstood. Doesn't sound like the guy she's with is feminized, seems like an average guy to me who isn't interested in doing the whole "let's talk" routine.

Maybe you should freshen up your mind, reading a book won't hurt - I promise :)




slavejali -> RE: sad today... (5/25/2007 3:29:31 AM)

Any improvement in the situation NGS?




ennaozzie -> RE: sad today... (5/25/2007 3:35:04 AM)

I am not one to give up on relationships easy, but  i learnt a long time ago with a relationship i had, i wanted to leave things where getting so bad.

My attertude then and now is the same, i thought to myself ok you are a adult you dont run at the first sign of problems, you stick about and work on things.

Which i think is a good attude to have, only thing is it took me two years to realise that i was the only one working at it. (smack in the head moment) but hey we all learn and i am sure we all have had moments where we could have come to that realisation sooner.

To me anyway his attudes is not that of someone that is old enough to have a adult relationship.

But then i dont know him or you or your situation.  How ever i wish you all the best and hope things improve for you and yours.

beanie




lewdy -> RE: sad today... (5/25/2007 4:22:03 AM)

Id be more wondering about the relationship and how master has ended relationships in the past and if this is in masters plan.
Get shitty dont communicate sounds dodgy to me.




MistressDarling -> RE: sad today... (5/25/2007 4:43:00 AM)

Woooooah, people. Calm it down a notch. My referee shirt is in the wash. *wink*

Hon, you either need to talk to him about it or leave. I don't think its fair that you have to sit around wondering just because it might be considered "out of line" to ask.  Chances are, he's just being moody. Men are just as bad as we are once a month, LOL. If he refuses to talk, continue to be supportive. Snuggle up to him at night and tell him that you still love him, even if he is being a grouchy-butt.

Part of your role as a submissive is to be there for your Owner during tough times. Bailing now wouldn't be fair to him, especially if he's having troubles. Showing him unconditional love and support will help to fix things quicker than "being a brat" and waiting for him to come around. Think about it. Its easier to open up to people who are there for you, who show patience and understanding, even when you're being unreasonable. Make sense?

Men aren't like women. We talk about our problems at great length to our friends and loved ones. They take the "tough man" approach and keep it inside.

Whatever path you choose to take, I wish you the best of luck. *smooches*




HisSongstress -> RE: sad today... (5/25/2007 4:48:24 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia

maybe it's time to find a new Master to me... someone that cares more about you than his friends or hobbies.

I find knee jerk responses like this curious. Yes, this is an option...moving on is always an option. I get this kind of response from people if I share about my relationship with my D.

He and I have struggle with things that are similar to those NGS's has been experiencing. He and I have not been together long, nor do we live together. However, I know that he is going through a great deal of transition. When I ask him about what troubles him, sometimes he shares....sometimes he doesn't. (That is his right as my Dominant and as an independant human being.) But what I have learned is that he is taking care of himself. And I applaud that, and tell him so. When I feel especially insecure about something and I feel that I am prepared to hear the answer, I will ask about something that has happened. Sometimes it is unpleasant to hear what he has to do to take care of himself....mostly---meaning not see me. But if he does not have his head on straight, does not have his life in order, does not feel good about his place in the world....how can he successfully mainatin relationships with others? To deny him the time and resources he needs to take care of himself...is selfish and self defeating on my part. Do I like it? NO. Are my needs being met? NO. Am I willing to be patient and forgo instant gratification in order to reap long term benefits? YES. The side benefit of this process for me is that I am learning better to have my needs met through other people (with his encouragement, as he knows that he is not meeting my needs) and have learned what it is that I really want from my D. It is making me a more whole person, more balanced, and therefore a better submissive.

When I talk to others about my struggles, I usually get the...MOVE ON statement because ... he is not meeting your needs, .....or he doesn't care about you....or he is not committed to you. None of those things are true. (My D and I talk specifically about those things.) When I share about my struggles with others, I am asking for help to cope with my insecurities....I already know how to walk away. I am looking to vent, looking for tools to help me patiently stand beside him....and seeking encouragement to take responsibility to have my needs met.

I know that this may not relate to your circumstances, NGS, but I bothers me when someone, so cavalierly, says......look for another.

best!

...song...





DukeofStuff -> RE: sad today... (5/25/2007 5:40:45 AM)

A comparison of styles.

Abuse
One of the hallmark differences between abusers and Masters(capital M) is security.  Usually, an abuser wants to create a situation where the victim is left utterly unsure of everything, most especially of their own desires (cause if they were, who would WANT an abuser?)  Abusers often deny personal responsibility for their own actions and the consequences of them.  This is especially toxic to submissives who tend to look outside themselves for permission and approval.  Chronic bad use (what does ab-use mean but being used poorly) where the victim, not the abuser, is at fault for stuff that the abuser chooses to make occur. (The classic "the stupid little crap girl was making me hit her, I mean, how much can a mother take, she was always asking me for food")

Not Abuse
Decent dominants generally strive to create the sort of situation where any given submissive has some idea that they can be content, and can predict they will be in future, and know what the dominant thinks of them.  Masters especially hold out that they got some kind of clue, and that they have ironed out their own issues and can calmly say "oh, I did that, CAUSE there is no way you could MAKE me do that, if I did not choose to."

The case up for discussion this morning:
This sounds like abuser talk (or, perhaps, like the effect lots of abuser talk can have on a person over time)(What I must do however is put in a caveat that a relayed conversation is "hersay" and can be very bent from what it began as)
her 'master' is paraphrased ...
told to do whatever I want he doesn't give a shit anymore and won't be held responsible.

Denial of personal responsibility for the situation in his own House is a clear warning flags (if red is clear).  Pity that he and she are not both switches, as a good test for abuse is to switch roles.  "dear, I am going to treat you, as you have treated me, psychologically" (I am not saying dominants have to desire that, but usually a good dominant would not be afraid to be treated as they treat.  "oh, hell, that;s not my kink, but at least I will be treated consistantly) An abusive snot would be aghast at the thought of suffereing the same abnegation of consent, destruction of self esteem, diminishment as a human being that he, she, or it so casually inflicts .. and voila, its likely that he-she-it runs in terror.  Pity this frustrated poster appears to be a loyal, if badly distressed, submissive for someone who is not that interested in owning one for the long haul.

"not responsible".     If a Master is not responsible, he just is not a Master.  That is basic SM, BDSM, or D/s 101.


A




MrDiscipline44 -> RE: sad today... (5/25/2007 5:51:09 AM)

You make very good points, song. Very good points indeed. The one difference I see between you and NGS, though, is that you have security in your relationship. You know where you stand and you know that regardless of how much time he takes to take care of himself, he'll still want you there. NGS does not seem to have that. Now, I'm not saying that it isn't plausable. But all we have to work with is what she presents.




HisSongstress -> RE: sad today... (5/25/2007 7:07:55 AM)

MrDiscipline,

Curious that you sense that I have security in my relationship. I am pleased that I have portrayed that. HOWEVER..... I don't feel it for more than a few moments at a time. It is something that I am working toward. (NGS states that she doesn't plan to leave the marriage. I would consider that some indication of security. )

best!

song




lateralist1 -> RE: sad today... (5/25/2007 7:40:02 AM)

If he's sadistic he might just be enjoying your pain.




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