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fourpeas -> Words and Their Power (5/17/2005 9:09:50 AM)

I saw AllyC's post on here about the word "fat" and I was wondering if there were any other words/etc. that you feel you have a lot of baggage with and what you might do to change the experience.

My dom is always talking about the power of language and how powerfully it affects us, as well as how you should always be open to having those definitions change over time (I can't use the words "never" and "always" when I am talking about things)

I am just wondering because this whole thing got started over me saying that I wasn't okay with being called a slut or a whore, because I'm not. I can count the men I've been involved with on less than one hand; I was a virgin waaaaaaay up until I was 21 and I had several previous experiences with "dominant" (yeah right) men who felt that calling me a "submissive little slut" or a "submissive little whore" was somehow really endearing...?

For me those two words have so much baggage and I want to try and understand deeper what my dom is saying about unpacking their meaning and being able to be open to a new experience. I totally understand that if he wants to call me that, he will, that's okay with me, but the thought of it still makes me cringe.... I am okay with being called a bitch because sometimes I can be one... but for some reason it's "slut" and "whore" that just make me feel awful. worthless even...

...yet at the same time I see friends and family who have taken amazing power in words like "fag," "queer," "dyke," "bitch," etc. People who have taken words like "fat," etc. and taken the power from those words. I want to be able to work forward and try and understand this more....

Anyone else feel like sharing a story?[:D]




mistoferin -> RE: Words and Their Power (5/17/2005 2:35:04 PM)

The words stupid, dummy, moron, idiot, imbecile or any other words that have that same meaning. Those were words that were banned in my home as I raised my children. If I caught them using any of those words they knew they were in deep dirt. I would have preferred them call each other asshole than dummy.

I guess I have an issue with people using words to attack the personality of another with the intent of tearing that person down. Words like slut or whore can be used in this manner, but they can also be used as terms of endearment.

It's kind of like the phrase "old lady". My ex always used that term when he was referring about me to someone else. My girlfriends would say, "Why do you let him call you that, it's so degrading!". But to me, and to the people in the circles we travelled (bike people), the term "old lady" meant I was the most precious thing in his world. I wasn't just anyone...I was his old lady....and damn proud of it!

On the other hand, words that have no negative connotations can also be used in a negative manner. For instance....say there is a person, we will call her Gina for the purposes of this post. You and your Sir can not stand the way Gina whines incessantly. So one day, you are just going on and on about something and He looks at you and says "OK Gina......." The effect can be just as crushing.




LadyAngelika -> RE: Words and Their Power (5/17/2005 5:49:33 PM)

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So one day, you are just going on and on about something and He looks at you and says "OK Gina......." The effect can be just as crushing.


Like when my little brother said to me the other day *Ok there mom...*. Ok, it wasn't crushing, but it was highlighting that I picked up one of my mother's less desirable traits! EEEP!

I don't like attacking words neither. I used to have a boyfriend who called himself an idiot every time he did something wrong. "I'm such an idiot!" he'd say, to which I responded one day "I will not let you speak that way of someone I love". The message got through.

It's not so much what words you use but rather the way you use them. It's really all about the intent.

- LA




SirKenin -> RE: Words and Their Power (5/17/2005 5:51:01 PM)

Too many people give too many words too much power. That is society's problem. If W/we would all just grow up a little bit and grow some thicker skin the world would be a much better place in which to live. That is My 1.74 cents USD on the issue.




RiotGirl -> RE: Words and Their Power (5/19/2005 8:59:03 AM)

i understand what the OP is saying. Baggage associated with different words of course varies from person to person. Its also natural.

the phrase "you just dont learn" Gets me. Completely. Every time i hear it, it throws me back 5 years in a car and the rest of the sentence goes "i hit you, you dont listen; i'm nice to you dont listen, i yell at you you dont listen; i'm mean to you, you dont listen. How can i get you to listen to me?"

Which being thicked headed and often very stubborn isnt quite helpful in not hearing it again = ) What i do? Well i recognize that i am stubborn and thick headed. Also being white, i'll often call myself a cracker. i pick fun at myself bascially. It gets me used to it, it looses any other meaning then what i attach to it.

i recognize my faults so others cant use them against me, there for "attacking" words dont harm me. One of the best ways to harm another person is to tell them the truths they hide from themselves. Recognize you're own truths. Look at your "key" words, find truth or no truth in them. Admit that maybe you are such and such. Learn to be okay with it. We all have our faults. Or admit they dont fit you and when they are used to "attack" you basically just laugh at them. i play a game called "savage" and in the game one of the biggest insults is "noob". Yeah so i frequently pipe up i'm a noob. Why? Why not. i AM new to the game, and i do suck at playing it. Its not an insult to me, its a fact of the game. When you're a noob (new) you generally dont play well.

Another word that gets me is whore. i HATE that word. In the true contect of the word. Though i am working on getting over it. i also dont like fat. Going back to when i was a child and my mother would point out fat ppl and tell me how disgusting they are. So maybe i'm not fat and i may starve myself to NOT be fat, its still one of my "secret" worries.

Its the connotations you or some one else that place on the word that makes it so bothersome. Like i said look at the word, look at the connotation beind the word, look at the truth of it, and work to change the meaning you associate with it.

Oh and i hate the N word. Which i used to detest, but only because A) my mother instilled it and B) black folks seem to hate it so much. It reminded them of a terrible time in history.
But i changed the meaning of it. it has nothing to do with colour for me. Yes its a nasty word and an insult (in my mind) But my issue with it was the colour attached to it. So i took every ethnic background and attached them. Bascially i associate it with white trash. And there is trash in every ethnic group. Every "colour" group.






i'm sure there are others, but off the top of my head...




RiotGirl -> RE: Words and Their Power (5/19/2005 9:00:07 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirKenin

Too many people give too many words too much power. That is society's problem. If W/we would all just grow up a little bit and grow some thicker skin the world would be a much better place in which to live. That is My 1.74 cents USD on the issue.


Not to be mean, but i doubt that is going to help her get over the OP




EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Words and Their Power (5/19/2005 10:30:26 AM)

LOL Sorry Riot, whore is one of my favorite words and I KNOW I use it a lot.

Words are big symbols of ideas and feelings. Everything from cultural biases to personal experiences will shape how we view them. It's why so many people in Ds modify their language- the sirs the maams, the third persons, heck even changing their screen name.

Despite growing up in a 98% ghetto black environment, where nigger was used constantly and casually, it was never acceptable to be used in the house and I find it a very dirty ugly word in all environments.

Another example for me is the word cunt. I used to really flinch at that word but through common usage and exposure and acceptance through positive usage, it has no effect on me now whatsoever and I can use it for the intensity that other people still have for it.

Lately I've heard the word "gash" used as a slang term for pussy. That actually really irritates me and it's very interesting all the connotations that the term brings up, how it twists its way around people.

How we react to words generally explains more about ourselves than the words themselves.




FelinePersuasion -> RE: Words and Their Power (5/20/2005 12:18:58 AM)

Actually black people often in getto terms will call each other nigger or niggah, It's the connotation and how you say it.


I had a friend who loved calling her girl friends sluts, she'd purr in that sexy voice you're just my lil slut aren't you? that was an endearment, and I will often say I am an attention slut, because I am. I can never get enough of joe's attention time or scritching. Except when we've been together a little to long and his bad habbits are starting to wear thin.


It's all in how you mean it and say it. We sometimes as a joke tell my doggie what a turkey he is, yes you're silly, yes you are, You're momma's lil goofball, and as long as we do it in a loving I am happy tone with you I could be telling him the worst things on the plannet and he'd still be happy, Because I said it lovingly. And If you call his name and you say it like you're mad he'll slink to you but if you say it like you wanna see him and pet him he bounds over wagging.


It's all in the connotation.





Stoneygirl76 -> RE: Words and Their Power (5/23/2005 6:59:33 AM)

Heh.

I, too, get irritated sometimes, over the tendency of society at large to label individuals whose behaviors exceed the expected norm.

You like to be tied up and spanked, you're a pervert.

You like to smoke a joint, you're a druggie.

You like to explore sex and are open with your desires, you're a whore/slut/tramp.

Not that anyone is interested, but here is a rant I wrote (on another message board, to explain the context in which it was written) about people using the fact that a woman's child was born out of wedlock as an attempt to insult and verbally hurt her.

quote:

I've held my tongue about this one, but I've wanted to comment on it many times. I refrained because I knew saying anything would open up the floodgates for the same types of things to be said to me.

Whatever though. Who cares if that happens. On with the rant...


I was just reading comments toward ML about her bastard child. I have never, ever understood how, in today's world, people can honestly, with good conscience, say things like that. I mean, it's meant as an insult to the mother, I suppose, but in essence what it's doing is degrading a child's existance. A child has nothing to do with the manner in which it's brought into this world. What sort of human being could speak in such a hurtful, ugly manner about an innocent person?

So a kid was born to a mother who wasn't married to its father. So what? What, in all seriousness, is the awful, bad, terrible thing about that? How many people these days never get married at all? How many get married and live together in misery for the sake of their children? OR do get divorced and go on to have more children with other people? Or get divorced and the non-custodial parent leaves the ex and children behind to start a new life?

How many single people adopt or open their homes to orphaned children? Gay couples adopt? Grandparents assume custody of grandchildren for whatever reason? Are any of those families less admirable or worthy of respect because the children in question weren't born to two people who are considered married by...by who? by what? by the church? What if you don't worship that god? By the state? Do you live your life by what the government tells you is the appropriate fashion?

And what of the men who help to create these pitiful bastard children, who can only be spoken of in condescending, unflattering terms? Why are they exempt from the barrage of insullts which the mother is forced to endure, who did the right thing and decided to raise her child/ren? Throughout history, when men would have liasions, typically while married, and produce a child out of wedlock with a mistress, the man was never ostrasized socially, yet the women always were (see: The Scarlet Letter) Why is this? Did the woman have more of a hand in it than the man?

I think not. I think those attitudes, and those types of attacks on a person are wrong. They get my panties in a wad, in case that isn't apparent by my rant.

De-personalize it. Step back for a second, and forget you just called someone's child a bastard.

Pretend you're in 1930's middle America. There's a woman who is known around town to have a child born out of wedlock. You're standing around outside the barber shop, chewing the fat with your cronies, talking about how you saw Miz So and So at the drug store the other day, dragging that bastard child along behind her...when you turn and see the child standing there hearing every word you say.

It's not about the fact that you typed a word on an adult forum which ML's child will most likely never see. It's not even about the fact that you simply want to wound ML, and this is (in your mind) the easiest way to do so.

It's about perpetuating a stigma that does, indeed, trickle down to the children, eventually. And those children, hearing the viscious, malicious ways in which bastard children are talked about by people who want to hurt other people however they can, feel about themselves, when they have done absolutely nothing to contribute to the situation having occurred.

You might never say to a child, you're a little bastard whose mom fucked someone when she wasn't married, but by using those ideas to attempt to insult a woman, you may as well be, because you (and I mean that in a generic you = anyone who does what I am writing about) are expressing those sentiments, which will, I promise, one day be heard by the child of the mother, who gave birth to a bastard child.


The point of all that? What good does it do to personally judge others, in an attempt to disparagingly label them? Who among us even has the right to do so?

And why? Why try to hurt others, simply because you would not have chosen the path they have?




sub4hire -> RE: Words and Their Power (5/23/2005 7:44:23 AM)

After reading everyone's responses no words come to mind for me. At least not at the moment. I've been educated and opinionated most of my life. I try to keep an open mind to other people and their kinks.
So, essentially I've been called most everything you can imagine. Pretty much it roll's off of me. I guess it would hurt if the person saying it meant anything to me. Although those people would not call me a name.
So, don't know words are words. Some people use them correctly and most do not.
No reason to stress.




glassdoll -> RE: Words and Their Power (5/26/2005 10:30:34 PM)

words should always be taken more than face value.




Lordandmaster -> RE: Words and Their Power (5/26/2005 11:14:52 PM)

Yeah, "cunt" is so much more elegant.

quote:

ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2

Lately I've heard the word "gash" used as a slang term for pussy. That actually really irritates me and it's very interesting all the connotations that the term brings up, how it twists its way around people.




Mandalin -> RE: Words and Their Power (5/29/2005 10:36:49 PM)

I'm very sensitive about words, I've tried to brush them off, but it's just the way I am and Master knows this so he never says any of them to me....and this is really going to sound stupid in comparing it to all the words listed above! But Master has never called me by my first name, He's always called me Dear or Mommy...so the few times that he has, I'm instantly crushed!
I've had other Dom's call me those other words in the past...and that's why they're in the past!




LadyAngelika -> RE: Words and Their Power (5/30/2005 5:20:30 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Yeah, "cunt" is so much more elegant.

quote:

ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2

Lately I've heard the word "gash" used as a slang term for pussy. That actually really irritates me and it's very interesting all the connotations that the term brings up, how it twists its way around people.



It's not more elegant but it's definitely sexier.

- LA




SirKenin -> RE: Words and Their Power (5/30/2005 3:30:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2

Lately I've heard the word "gash" used as a slang term for pussy. That actually really irritates me and it's very interesting all the connotations that the term brings up, how it twists its way around people.

How we react to words generally explains more about ourselves than the words themselves.


How about clam? [:-]




RiotGirl -> RE: Words and Their Power (5/31/2005 7:17:06 AM)

yeah i'm late, but i just found it again. Erm.. gash makes me think of a knife wound... clam makes me think of the food i'll never eat.

Heh, Emerald, by all means go on an use the whore word, LOL its okay if i cringe. Seriously dont expect (though it'd be nice) if the world would stop using it. Also agree that the N word is ugly and disgusting. but heh i try and change.

another world that makes me cringe?

Vagina

::shudders::

To similiar to the name virginia and the state virginia. Errrr and i'm sure there's other shuddering reasons for it.. but there it is.

::shudder:: Vagina




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