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hook-pull suspension - 5/24/2007 4:25:46 PM   
Copulo


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Status: offline 		Im interested to know if anyone here has done flesh hook suspension.

I did one a couple of years ago and it was probably one of the most awesome things I have ever done in my life. It was done within a club and because of that I earned a reputation as being a formidable sadist.
Actually that was not what it was about. The entire thing was very spiritual ( and I wouldn’t say that Im normally a spiritual person). It had nothing to do with wanting to inflict pain on the suspended and it was absolutely not a dominant act.

Has anyone else here suspended someone and if so how did they feel?
Has anyone here been hook pull suspended and if so what was your experience like?
Would any of you like to try it, suspended/being suspended or would you consider it beyond the realms of sanity?

On Saturday I am going to have hooks put in my chest by Fakir Musafar. Its not a submissive thing and its not a masochistic thing either but its something I feel the need to experience.

I would love any feed back from anyone who has been through this.
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RE: hook-pull suspension - 5/24/2007 4:38:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have not.  My husband is a follower of Native American Spirituality and has been involved with Sundance for several years.  This (in my most bare bones ability to discuss with any intelligence) is a ritual over many days where people dance in the sun giving thanks and praying.  On a certain day some who choose are pierced with wooden spikes and then "tied" to a tree...they dance back and forth and eventually pull free.  This is very spiritual for all of these people, even the spectators.  It is done in the best and most well intentioned ways...and it sounds as if this is akin (by no means the same, but akin) to what you were a part of.  I encourage anyone to google this to learn more.  I support my husband in his lifestyle as he does me in mine....but I am as "daft" to the intricacies of his as he is to mine...and I'm sure I screwed this up somehow...but I at least have the idea intact.

I would love to learn and engage on the "Top" side of hook suspension *S*

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RE: hook-pull suspension - 5/24/2007 4:39:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Copulo, this is the first I have ever heard of such a thing, as I am a novice.  Mistress and I were admiring about how exciting this would be to learn, with Mistress being guided by a skilled hand with me being suspended.  I just told Her this thread aroused me in the same fashion when She first mentioned about cutting.  And did I ever love that.  I sincerely hope She and I get the opportunity to learn this play, it sounds fascinating!!!!

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RE: hook-pull suspension - 5/24/2007 4:45:12 PM   
Copulo


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ORIGINAL: earthycouple

I have not.  My husband is a follower of Native American Spirituality and has been involved with Sundance for several years.  This (in my most bare bones ability to discuss with any intelligence) is a ritual over many days where people dance in the sun giving thanks and praying.  On a certain day some who choose are pierced with wooden spikes and then "tied" to a tree...they dance back and forth and eventually pull free.  This is very spiritual for all of these people, even the spectators.  It is done in the best and most well intentioned ways...and it sounds as if this is akin (by no means the same, but akin) to what you were a part of.  I encourage anyone to google this to learn more.  I support my husband in his lifestyle as he does me in mine....but I am as "daft" to the intricacies of his as he is to mine...and I'm sure I screwed this up somehow...but I at least have the idea intact.

I would love to learn and engage on the "Top" side of hook suspension *S*


No actually your spot on!
This is exactly what it is. It’s a primitive journey onto the other side and yes it is an old American Indian tradition. 

Edited to say
ready4srvce4allIt is something that needs precision engineering and something that has to be very much taught by an expert but if your Mistress and you ever get the opportunity to do this then I can tell you now that the bond between you both will become greater than you could ever imagine possible

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RE: hook-pull suspension - 5/24/2007 5:34:42 PM   
theMadWelder


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Status: offline 		Hello,
I am very accustomed to setting up these types of scenes.

Here is a page that you might find interesting.

http://www.suspension.org/

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RE: hook-pull suspension - 5/24/2007 5:38:15 PM   
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RE: hook-pull suspension - 5/24/2007 5:42:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've never had it done to me but Ive been at a demo of it being done, it was awesome. I don't think its within the realms of possibility for me to experience anymore...and even if it was, I'm not sure I'd volunteer.. 

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RE: hook-pull suspension - 5/24/2007 5:48:25 PM   
szobras


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This is exactly what it is. It’s a primitive journey onto the other side and yes it is an old American Indian tradition. 

With all respect, This Sacred Ceremony, has nothing to do this.

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RE: hook-pull suspension - 5/24/2007 6:03:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: szobras

You have mail.


No, dear Sir, you have mail *S*

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RE: hook-pull suspension - 5/24/2007 6:44:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hello,

I did my first hook pull last year at Spirit of the Islands in Hawaii (a recurring BDSM event that will be happening this year also - www.leathersmarts.com).  Actually for the first one, it was before the event itself.  I did a spiritual retreat into the Hawaiian wilderness on the Big Island.  I went by myself to a banyan tree that someone had built a platform in.  I put in my own 12g. hooks in my chest and did my own pull.  It was not a full suspension, even though I suspended a significant portion of my body weight from the two hooks.  I then spent the night on the platform in the banyan tree. There was a group hook pull a couple of days later where I did two 8g hooks, but I didn't place those myself. 

For me, each hook pull was very different in nature.  The one I did by myself was a journey that I needed to do very much for myself, by myself.  It was very important that I place my own hooks.  It was a way for me to look into myself.  The group pull was more being there as a catalyst for others.  I ended up being the person who actively worked on pulling other people and bringing them out of their shells, as it were.

I am looking forward very much to being able to do another hook pull.  I can't describe exactly where I go when I have done the hook pulls.  I am looking forward to going back to Hawaii this year and doing another solitary spiritual quest.  Each of the two journeys has been very different in feel - but both were very rewarding for me.

Be well,

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RE: hook-pull suspension - 5/24/2007 10:14:27 PM   
Archer


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Status: offline 		I did an energy pull but never got suspended (also a Sadist with no masochistic tendancies) did it cause I needed the purge.
12g hooks in chest pulled against a Frame during the "Dance of Souls" at Southwest Leather Conference two years back.

Had my slave Elegant do the pull this past year same event.

Still trying to set up someone to teach me the hooks (already do needles need a bit more education for the hooks)

It's super high on my list of advanced skills to learn.

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RE: hook-pull suspension - 5/24/2007 10:51:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not one into this kind of play, but I would like to add that you couldn't be with a better person to be participating in such an action. Fakir has quite the positive reputation in this realm, so I think you're pretty much in good hands.

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RE: hook-pull suspension - 5/25/2007 1:33:25 AM   
Copulo


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Status: offline 		The Madwelder, thanks for that link. It’s a good site!

Szobras perhaps you could elaborate on what you said?

Peggy, I am hugely envious of you.  Tell me, when you put the hooks in your chest did you feel for a moment as though you were drowning or suffocating?
I would love to come to Hawaii and do this. The opportunity to do it in the great outdoors must be awesome.

Archer, that’s pretty amazing stuff and the fact that you tried it out first and then wanting your slave to do the same a year later must mean you got something very special out of the experience?
I learnt to do hook pulls from someone who used to self suspend. I have though, since doing workshops with Fakir, discovered that some of what we did was very dodgy. We had not for example considered the lay of the skin or the body weight per hook!
If you do get the opportunity to do a workshop then go for it. There is so much to learn.

Thanks littlesarbonn and I agree. There is something very special about this guy. He never hurries or tries to impress his onlookers and the first thing he teaches is the art of patience! I love him to bits.

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RE: hook-pull suspension - 5/25/2007 7:48:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Copulo

Peggy, I am hugely envious of you.  Tell me, when you put the hooks in your chest did you feel for a moment as though you were drowning or suffocating?
I would love to come to Hawaii and do this. The opportunity to do it in the great outdoors must be awesome.



Hello,

No, I never had the sensation that I was drowing or suffocating.  When I put my own hooks in, I was simply concentrating on getting the piercing needle in the right spot and appropriate depth and then threading the hook through.  It was a little more challenging because I have a fairly large tattoo on my chest and wanted to avoid it when placing the hooks.

The opportunity to do it for the first time by myself out in a beautiful spot in nature was amazing.  The area I spent the night in is magical.  Close by there are the remants of an ancient heiau (stone temple) to one of the local Goddesses.  I was truly blessed to have had that opportunity.  I look forward to going back to Hawaii again this year.

Be well,

Peggy

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RE: hook-pull suspension - 5/25/2007 8:51:06 AM   
Copulo


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ORIGINAL: PeggyO

quote:

ORIGINAL: Copulo

Peggy, I am hugely envious of you.  Tell me, when you put the hooks in your chest did you feel for a moment as though you were drowning or suffocating?
I would love to come to Hawaii and do this. The opportunity to do it in the great outdoors must be awesome.



Hello,

No, I never had the sensation that I was drowing or suffocating.  When I put my own hooks in, I was simply concentrating on getting the piercing needle in the right spot and appropriate depth and then threading the hook through.  It was a little more challenging because I have a fairly large tattoo on my chest and wanted to avoid it when placing the hooks.

The opportunity to do it for the first time by myself out in a beautiful spot in nature was amazing.  The area I spent the night in is magical.  Close by there are the remants of an ancient heiau (stone temple) to one of the local Goddesses.  I was truly blessed to have had that opportunity.  I look forward to going back to Hawaii again this year.

Be well,

Peggy


They say that this kind of experience is life changing and I can well believe that.
Thanks for sharing

Maria

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RE: hook-pull suspension - 5/25/2007 10:19:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		The suspension was featured in a film called " A man called Horse " starring Richard Harris. As far as i recall it was a comming of age ritual from boy to warrior, thats if the film portrayal was accurate.

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RE: hook-pull suspension - 5/28/2007 8:17:12 AM   
Copulo


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Status: offline 		Well I did it! 2 hooks through my chest and a cheek shield to help me focus.
The problem for me started when for some reason they expected me to start worshipping this Indian Goddess. For me this was about pure meditation and not a feeling obliged to join in some ritualistic practice.
Through deep meditation I was able to take the hooks and spear without feeling any pain at all. This to me was an accomplishment in itself because I strongly believe that to feel pain in an act such as this, you need to fear it. Having absolute control over your body and mind is something that only deep meditation can bring (mind over matter)
I hung for 6 hours but it felt like about 30 minutes so I must of drifted a fair bit and when I did eventually come down and have the spear and hooks removed I became very spacey and just wanted to sleep.
I know without a doubt that I now want to go out into that big wilderness and do this for longer and with perhaps my own agenda as to why I am doing it and not someone else who is trying to take me on their journey.


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RE: hook-pull suspension - 5/28/2007 8:28:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've done this. It was an experience of fear for me. I wasn't afraid of the hooks or whatever, but once I was hooked, it was all I could do to not hide under the table. Pretty intense emoitions come through during these things. I do or witness 2-3 hook pulls a year.

Southwest Leather Conference does a hook pull and ball dance at the end of the weekend in a ritual called "The Dance of Souls". I highly recommend the event. Keep an eye on the website for info about the 2008 event. http://www.southwestleather.org/

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RE: hook-pull suspension - 5/28/2007 10:26:15 AM   
Copulo


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Status: offline 		Thanks for the link MasterFireMaam I’ve added that to my favourites so I can keep a check on what’s going on.

Interesting what you said about fear after the hooks are in. I was the opposite. I was very fearful before and actually fairly emotional. Like you, it was not a fear of the pain but a fear of what journey I was going to take.
Once the hooks were in I felt extremely calm and all my emotions just seemed to vanish.
When the hooks were removed I felt emotional again!!

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RE: hook-pull suspension - 5/28/2007 11:08:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Copula,

I have not done, seen or even contemplated this as it is abit over the top. It is indeed a ritual from those who were here before the white eyes. It can be seen in the movie, A an Called Horse and its sequel where Richard harris is impaled.

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