RE: Is D/s Inherently a part of BDSM, Vice Versa, and Can they exist without each other?

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EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Is D/s Inherently a part of BDSM, Vice Versa, and Can they exist without each other? (5/31/2005 9:54:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SenorX It is an interesting thread, whereby some of those very same people who preach tolerance are showing their intolerance by being intolerant to those definitions that have been accepted within the realms of the real world D/s Lifestyle for decades and even scores (according to primary experience) and even centuries (no primary experience there from Me, but from secondary or tertiary experience). I'm not the preachy type, but I don't think tolerance and intolerance of definitions is what is going on- I think it's accepting and rejecting of ideas. I haven't seen anyone on any side on that thread say "You can't be who you say you are because it doesn't fit what what I say you are" Other threads however... To suggest that "definitions have been accepted...for decades" is just incorrect IMO. The lifestyle as we know it hasn't even been around for much more than 2 decades and I can assure you that, even though we have things like the Deviants Dictionary, there is no accepted codex of meanings in "WIITWD." If there were, it certainly would be posted all over the place and we'd no longer be HAVING these sorts of discussions at all. Some people use dictionaries as descriptive- describing what's going on. Some people use dictionaries as prescriptive- describing what SHOULD be doing on. Both sides have their merits. For me, I have clear definitions, but they are not based on actions, they are not based on stereotypes or generalities. They are based on actual dynamics which can be universalized. I completely agree on standards, I completely agree on having clear definitions. But we can still communicate even if we don't agree on definitions. quote: it is automatically accepted by vanilla, D/s and BDSM groups globally as Bondage, Discipline, Sadism, Masochism rather than Bimbos, Dummies, Stupids, Morons. Touché and kudos. X Actually a lot of people include dominance and submission automatically in bdsm. There's no universal there either.

MsSilvie -> RE: Is D/s Inherently a part of BDSM, Vice Versa, and Can they exist without each other? (5/31/2005 10:13:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SenorX I see and hear so many people use the terms D/s and BDSM synonymously as if they are one and the same. Are they? Can one co-exist without the other, or can one really even totally exist without the other? X I would say they are different dynamics, although I think you see a lot of common area between a D/s relationship and say a relationship that leans more toward S&M. Many people seem to equate D/s with a sexual preference, where in my experience, it is more broad than that for the D/s couples I know. So you have to take into consideration both cases where people satisfy a primaraly sexual need with D/s and those who adopt it more as a overall dynamic. I'll also step out on a limb and say that I believe you can have a D/s relationship with no sadomasochistic element. I don't think you can seperate sadomasochism completely from dominance and submission, though obviously you can have a relationship that leans way more to one aspect than the other. When you think about it, there are some masochists that are pretty toppish. And some folks will describe themselves as a dominant masochist, or a submissive sadist. Again, that's an element of D/s, it's just not from the angle you might expect it to come from.

MsSilvie -> RE: Is D/s Inherently a part of BDSM, Vice Versa, and Can they exist without each other? (5/31/2005 10:18:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SenorX If words and labels can mean anything to anyone, then, in re some of the folks that I have noticed herein, BDSM could very well be evidentiarily defined as Bimbos, Dummies, Stupids, Morons rather than Bondage, Disicpline, Sadism, Masochism. [sm=lol.gif] I've encountered people who I'm pretty sure think S&M means "Stand and Model".

SenorX -> RE: Is D/s Inherently a part of BDSM, Vice Versa, and Can they exist without each other? (5/31/2005 12:43:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MsSilvie quote: ORIGINAL: SenorX If words and labels can mean anything to anyone, then, in re some of the folks that I have noticed herein, BDSM could very well be evidentiarily defined as Bimbos, Dummies, Stupids, Morons rather than Bondage, Disicpline, Sadism, Masochism. [sm=lol.gif] I've encountered people who I'm pretty sure think S&M means "Stand and Model". LOL That's really good, I'll have to remember that one! :) X

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