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support group - 5/25/2007 11:00:34 AM   
dejablew


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I need help and fast.   To sum up my story:   I am (so called) owned by my Master.   I used to feel owned but then he used to be into me too.   We've been together for ten plus years.  Bottom line?   I believe he's tired of me.    He might even be bored or burned out.   He's become cruel showing me logs or telling me about his search for other subs.    And then at times he will be the Master he used to be.   loving, patient, intelligent and into me.    Now when I would be honest with my feelings (usually insecurities and fear) he would either blow up and say hateful things to me.  or, he would ignore me.    Believe me, I only asked or shared a few times.    There are other complaints I could share but I believe you get the picture.    I miss so badly being slave and it's to the point I can't even remember what subspace or being wet is like.    I do feel used up and very hurt and angry.   I've let my health go, depressed and overweight.    Not too long ago I was even suicidal.    I'm at the point I don't think I could submit to him.  My trust and respect for him is so damaged.    I feel he left a long time ago and it's just a matter of formality.    Is there a support group or somewhere I can go online to help me through this breakup?    There is nothing local here.   I will love and adore him until I die.    It's just that right now I feel dead.   
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RE: support group - 5/25/2007 11:13:14 AM   
KatyLied


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You will love and adore someone who treats you like this?

He's become cruel showing me logs or telling me about his search for other subs.
he would either blow up and say hateful things to me.  or, he would ignore me.
I believe he's tired of me.

I don't know about support groups, but I think you should talk to a counselor regarding how you value yourself.


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RE: support group - 5/25/2007 12:01:02 PM   
slavegirljoy


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quote:

ORIGINAL: dejablew
 Is there a support group or somewhere I can go online to help me through this breakup?    There is nothing local here.   I will love and adore him until I die.    It's just that right now I feel dead.   


Here are a couple of Yahoo groups that i know of and belong to that might be of interest to you.

SUBSAFEHAVEN  -- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SUBSAFEHAVEN/
A locale for subs/slaves to gather and gain help and guidance for those troubling times when you have no place else to go. Or just a place to discuss that mean, nasty dominant and what they did to you last time.  SubsPlace -- http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/SubsPlace/
~NOTE~ This group is for WOMEN ONLY!!!<<--- (submissive or not) this means no males (sorry guys), no Dominant's, Master's, Top's, Sir's, Daddy's, Husband's and it also means no Domme's (sorry ladies) or whatever honorific that you use to identify yourself.. your girl/sub/slave/wife/girlfriend, etc is most welcome.

This is a safe place for women to come (submissive or otherwise as long as those not in the lifestyle realize and freely accept that lifestyle issue's, title's, subject's/topic's and other items will be allowed, embraced and discussed).

It is our hope that we can create a gentle place for all to come so that they may share, ask questions, pose ideas, and more without fear of adverse reactions.  Not sure why you chose to post this in the "Ask a Master" forum but, nevertheless, i saw it and thought i could offer these two groups to you as an option.  i understand the deep feeling of undying love for a man who you have invested so many years to, even when he is not treating you the way that makes you feel good about yourself.  i still love my exhusband, who was my first Dom and i always will.  Things do get better, as long as you don't let the bad stuff keep you down.  Best wishes to you.   slave joyOwned property of Master David

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RE: support group - 5/25/2007 12:35:39 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied
You will love and adore someone who treats you like this?

He's become cruel showing me logs or telling me about his search for other subs.
he would either blow up and say hateful things to me.  or, he would ignore me.
I believe he's tired of me.

I don't know about support groups, but I think you should talk to a counselor regarding how you value yourself.

Ditto.  You have to choose for yourself what is fulfilling in the long term.

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RE: support group - 5/25/2007 12:43:35 PM   
SadisticMan


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yes, seek help and wouldn't it be great if he would go too ?

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RE: support group - 5/25/2007 12:46:46 PM   
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Is there really such a thing as undying love, at the cost of someone else's pain?  Or have you the strength to be your own person and no-one else's, after years with that person. When two do not change together, then the whole will collapse, you still love and he does not. You listed one of your interests is travel, then do so. Like anybody with a heart I've been down as can be over another too, then discovered I am still desireable by another with better qualities than the last, so hang in there, don't suffer abuse for a love that's only in your heart and not his. Bdsm aside, don't let being a sub/slave destroy you. I'm going to hope that you don't end up in a battered women's shelter or worse, saying "But I know he loves me", after he's beat the shit out of you, that's wrong and stupid. 

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RE: support group - 5/25/2007 2:41:19 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dejablew
......   I used to feel owned but then he used to be into me too.....   I believe he's tired of me. .....   He might even be bored or burned out......     Now when I would be honest with my feelings (usually insecurities and fear) he would either blow up and say hateful things to me.  or, he would ignore me. ..... [I've]  let my health go, depressed and overweight.......    Not too long ago I was even suicidal.   


Which came first the chicken or the egg?
It seems this has been long time deveolping, from BOTH sides.. . 
Is he changing due to your changing? Is he burned out with your insecurities and fears, is he tired and burned out on your letting yourself go and depression? Is he tired of dealing with suicidal threats?

I have seen (not one but two different) good friends who worked for several years with a sub/girlfend who had depression and suicidal bouts,, it just wore them out.. and when they got to point of not being able to go on dealing with the depression and threats they both found a way out. One just left and was seen as the bad guy, but she refuesed to get help, take meds or stay in any kind of couseling. The other tried to ease his way out, tried to let her see the realtionship ending so she would be the one to call it off. Neither one ended in any of them being happy.

So,, not knowing the whole story and not knowing what is really going on,,, but knowing you have said you are depressed and have been suicidal...
You need to take responsibilty for yourself, and get help. See a professional, not an online support group. A real face to face professional.. see if you need medication to work with you and counseling to get you over the suicidal thoughts. GET REAL HELP.  Then worry about the relationship secondary. Your mental health has to be worked on first.




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RE: support group - 5/25/2007 6:36:23 PM   
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There is a MaST chapter in Jacksonville.

http://www.mast.net/

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RE: support group - 5/27/2007 2:31:27 PM   
velvetears


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quote:

ORIGINAL: dejablew

I need help and fast.   To sum up my story:   I am (so called) owned by my Master.   I used to feel owned but then he used to be into me too.   We've been together for ten plus years.  Bottom line?   I believe he's tired of me.    He might even be bored or burned out.   He's become cruel showing me logs or telling me about his search for other subs.    And then at times he will be the Master he used to be.   loving, patient, intelligent and into me.    Now when I would be honest with my feelings (usually insecurities and fear) he would either blow up and say hateful things to me.  or, he would ignore me.    Believe me, I only asked or shared a few times.    There are other complaints I could share but I believe you get the picture.    I miss so badly being slave and it's to the point I can't even remember what subspace or being wet is like.    I do feel used up and very hurt and angry.   I've let my health go, depressed and overweight.    Not too long ago I was even suicidal.    I'm at the point I don't think I could submit to him.  My trust and respect for him is so damaged.    I feel he left a long time ago and it's just a matter of formality.    Is there a support group or somewhere I can go online to help me through this breakup?    There is nothing local here.   I will love and adore him until I die.    It's just that right now I feel dead.   


You say you are depressed, let your health go, are overweight, suicidal. These are serious issues and maybe your master is overwhelmed with what has become of your life.  Maybe he has no clue how to help you out of all this.  

i think he needs to be honest with you and step up to the plate and be a man about things - either tell you he doesn't love you and wants to move on, OR tell you he's unhappy with the way you have let things go for yourself in your life and find a way for the both of you to work on things to improve the situation.  As hard as this may be to hear - not many people like or stay attracted to needy, clingy people - create someone YOU most of all can be proud of - and this can't happen overnight - it will be a long process, but take those steps and in the process you may see him gaining more respect for you and eventually he will come back to you. Heck you may even get to the point you that he's hurt you so much you don't want HIM anymore! Forget the M/s right now - work on you - start getting involved in things you enjoy, take care of who you are, eat better to loose weight, and maybe consider going on depression meds - they really can booste up your energy to get things done if you are in a real slump.  Most of all be kind to yourself.  Here is a link for kink aware professionals: http://www.ncsfreedom.org/kap/psycho.htm
Good luck to you

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RE: support group - 5/28/2007 4:30:29 AM   
Elorin


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quote:

ORIGINAL: dejablew
I need help and fast.   To sum up my story:   I am (so called) owned by my Master.   I used to feel owned but then he used to be into me too.   We've been together for ten plus years.  Bottom line?   I believe he's tired of me.    He might even be bored or burned out.   He's become cruel showing me logs or telling me about his search for other subs.    And then at times he will be the Master he used to be.   loving, patient, intelligent and into me.    Now when I would be honest with my feelings (usually insecurities and fear) he would either blow up and say hateful things to me.  or, he would ignore me.    Believe me, I only asked or shared a few times.    There are other complaints I could share but I believe you get the picture.    I miss so badly being slave and it's to the point I can't even remember what subspace or being wet is like.    I do feel used up and very hurt and angry.   I've let my health go, depressed and overweight.    Not too long ago I was even suicidal.    I'm at the point I don't think I could submit to him.  My trust and respect for him is so damaged.    I feel he left a long time ago and it's just a matter of formality.    Is there a support group or somewhere I can go online to help me through this breakup?    There is nothing local here.   I will love and adore him until I die.    It's just that right now I feel dead.   


I can think of two books that would be of help, if BOTH of you are willing to read them and make the effort. However, I wholeheartedly agree with everyone who recommends that your first step is see a mental health professional. Be honest about yourself, your suicidal urges, etc. A good counselor can be a tremendous help, and anti-depressants might bring you back to feeling "like yourself again" which makes further steps so much easier.

Best of luck.

~E

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RE: support group - 5/28/2007 8:55:54 AM   
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It sounds like you arebasing your sense of self worth on his approval of you. This will always lead to disaster because, at some point (as you have seen), he WILL dissaprove.You have to decide how much you are willing to barter of yourself to maintain the relationship. Perhaps the barter has become selling and you are now selling yourself for love and approval. This isn't healthy. Therapy can help a great deal.

My mom's advice: Ask yourself two questions. Would you miss him if he were gone? Is being in the relationship healthy for you? If the answer is no to either question, you might look at the relationship coming to an end.

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RE: support group - 5/28/2007 12:04:32 PM   
slaveluci


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quote:

ORIGINAL: dejablew
I am (so called) owned by my Master
I used to feel owned but then he used to be into me too
I miss so badly being slave and it's to the point I can't even remember what subspace or being wet is like
I'm at the point I don't think I could submit to him.  My trust and respect for him is so damaged
I feel he left a long time ago and it's just a matter of formality

Just an observation:  i find some of the statements you made very telling as to the "ownership" of you by your master.  You say you are "so called owned" and that you don't "feel owned."  You either are owned or you are not.  "Feeling" owned, to me, simply has nothing to do with it.  i know i am Master's property whether i feel like i am at any given point or not. 
 
Same with "being a slave."  Being in "subspace" or "being wet" don't necessarily have one thing to do with being a "slave."  (If you're lucky, they do).  But seriously.....again, you either are or are not a slave.  For me, it doesn't change just because of my feelings or emotions at any given time.  i know that, regardless of those, i am always His slave.
 
You also say you "don't think" you "could submit to him."  A slave - owned property - doesn't think about submitting, they simply do (hopefully).
 
The point i'm trying to make with all this is not that you should simply tolerate any treatment you are receiving (or not receiving, as the case may be).  IF you are owned and IF you are his slave, surely before entering into the M/s dynamic, some things were discussed and agreed upon.  Is there not a provision in place where you can speak freely and receive honest answers about why things are not working as they should?  Surely he didn't become "cruel," "bored," and "burnt out" overnight?  This must have been progressively growing worse over time, no? 
 
Also, your growing problems of weight gain, depression, suicidal feelings - again, these didn't just happen overnight.  All these issues have been snowballing over time - over years perhaps.  Did you not "feel owned" or feel "like a slave" during that time either?  i guess my point is were you ever really an owned slave or were those just terms the both of you liked to use to describe a situation that wasn't exactly that?
 
i'm not trying to tell you that you're not what you think/say you are, it literally jumped out at me, though, how you said you are "so called" owned and that you don't "feel" like a slave.  Maybe you aren't owned and aren't a slave and, if that's indeed the case, does that make your decision any easier as to what to do?  You say you don't think you can submit to him.  It doesn't seem as if he really even wants you to based on what you wrote.  So, is this really even an M/s relationship at all?  Was it ever?  Just thinking that if it isn't, and if you didn't have that label attached to it, would it be easier for you to do what you feel you need to do to improve your situation or remove yourself from it? 

Hope this made some sense....not sure it has.  Best wishes to you...slave luci 
 
 
 
 
 


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RE: support group - 5/29/2007 6:52:23 PM   
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Best suggestion is a in person support group, Here in Portland we have "Sub-rosa" a group for submissives and slaves only

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RE: support group - 5/30/2007 3:56:26 PM   
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Support of some type is essential NOW.... I fear for you and not just because of what I consider and " idiot thinks he is Dom"

Best wishes and think of yourself first !

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