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brightspot -> RE: what to do?? (5/27/2007 12:57:45 AM)

Be respectful and patient.
 
Missy.




velvetears -> RE: what to do?? (5/27/2007 6:22:05 AM)

If you felt he was over reacting and the argument or fight was really over nothing then maybe he caught on to this attitude despite your apology and resents the insincerity.  Maybe write him a letter and leave it where he will find it - don't hand it to him and just go about your business.  i don't know if your live with him, or se him occassionally etc but if you do live together ask him if you can be of service when appropriate and don't bring up the subject again until he does.  Otherwise you'd be beating a dead horse.




Celeste43 -> RE: what to do?? (5/27/2007 8:40:30 AM)

I'm not going to tell you that your opinion doesn't matter because it does. If he has diminished himself in your eyes by refusing to either accept your apology, discuss the matter, or finish it by telling you that this is a deal breaker then he has made you lose respect for him. Right now you're hurt but if he keeps up this petulant behavior you will become angry.

If it's only been a few hours then give him a couple of days. Some people need more time than others to process. God knows I'm one of them.

However if it has been a day or two don't grovel, because that just feeds his passive aggressive behavior. Tell him that when he's ready to talk openly you will be glad to hear from him, and then go out and do something fun with a friend.

We have had one argument like this over something that was trivial. He overreacted. However he didn't give me the cold shoulder. He didn't refuse a sincere if confused apology, confused because I didn't understand why he was so hurt by something that minor. And the next day when he was more settled he admitted that he had overreacted and he shared why. Subs aren't the only ones who have emotional trigger points or buttons that can be pushed. By admitting to me that he had this weak point, he increased my respect for him enormously. Had he kept insisting that it was entirely my fault he would have lost respect.

Whether or not he has lost an irreparable amount of respect in your eyes is something only you can decide. I will say though, that if this is a relatively new relationship I would think carefully about your future with someone who does not show himself as capable of acting like an adult in difficult situations.




HaveRopeWillBind -> RE: what to do?? (5/27/2007 3:26:23 PM)

Okay, there was a major fight that was resolved and then a minor disagreement that wasn't, even though you made afforts to resolve things. Maybe you should consider that he is looking for a reason to end your relationship. I can't be sure without having heard his side, but this is standard behavior for males looking for a way out. I suggest that you find a respectful calm way to ask if that is what he would prefer. If so it will be out in the open, if not it may wake him up to the fact that he needs to come around and mend some fences. But whatever you do, don't go in with ultimatums or with guns blazing. Be calm and respectful and just talk it over openly.




EvilGeoff -> RE: what to do?? (5/27/2007 3:34:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stateira

My Master and I had an argument...something small and really nothing to be very upset about in my opinion.  However, my opinion doesn't matter....   What else can I do to help him forgive me?

First off, acknowledge the issue IS important.  You're playing it off like "it's really nothing to be very upset about" belittles your Master and his feelings.  Second, stop trying to buy forgiveness.  Genuinely acknowledge what happened and your Masters feelings regarding the situation.  Sincerely apologize.  He can tell when you're just paying a lip service apology.  If I'm not seeing genuine contriteness on your part, you can bet he isn't either.

Then it's up to him.  Forgiveness is the provenance of the injured party, it can't be demanded by the person who caused the injury.

YIK,
- Geoff




LeatherBentOne -> RE: what to do?? (5/28/2007 5:05:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: EvilGeoff

quote:

ORIGINAL: stateira

My Master and I had an argument...something small and really nothing to be very upset about in my opinion.  However, my opinion doesn't matter....   What else can I do to help him forgive me?

First off, acknowledge the issue IS important.  You're playing it off like "it's really nothing to be very upset about" belittles your Master and his feelings.  Second, stop trying to buy forgiveness.  Genuinely acknowledge what happened and your Masters feelings regarding the situation.  Sincerely apologize.  He can tell when you're just paying a lip service apology.  If I'm not seeing genuine contriteness on your part, you can bet he isn't either.

Then it's up to him.  Forgiveness is the provenance of the injured party, it can't be demanded by the person who caused the injury.

YIK,
- Geoff


Exactly. 

One thing I absolutely refuse to do is coddle the one who has offended me, since all it does is make me further withdraw.  And moreso, if my feelings have already been minimized.  That scenario gets very old, very fast for me.

I find nothing more uncomely than a selfish submissive ~ one whose thought is of nothing other than herself; one who has no empathy for another, least of all her own Dominant; one who sits in judgement of other's feelings; one who has offended and pushes a resolution to make herself feel better.

LBO




goodpet -> RE: what to do?? (5/28/2007 10:06:33 AM)

Sometimes after we have had a disagreement it would end up with Sir being more upset then i thought the topic merited.  It confused me that such a little thing seemed so big to him.

I would do the same as you wrote; apologize, ask forgiveness, try to make amends.  But I felt like I was missing the boat….. ‘Cause I was.  

Sir was more upset with what happened and how it happened then the topic itself.

Only after some time passed and I was able to look at myself and how I dealt with the disagreement from a different point of view did I see my behavior in the conversation was more the issue. Then when I was able to ask to talk with him I could really apologize for my actions and attitude, more then disagreeing with the topic.

Then I had to let it go and give space and time.




stateira -> RE: what to do?? (5/28/2007 6:00:39 PM)

I had written a response but decided it really wasn't worth pursuing because I didn't have anything nice to say.   Justifying myself isn't going to do any good since I would be trying to justify my asking for help to those who have already formed such a negative opinion of me.  I don't know how to totally delete a response though and I couldn't leave it blank.




LeatherBentOne -> RE: what to do?? (5/29/2007 6:09:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stateira

I had written a response but decided it really wasn't worth pursuing because I didn't have anything nice to say.   Justifying myself isn't going to do any good since I would be trying to justify my asking for help to those who have already formed such a negative opinion of me.  I don't know how to totally delete a response though and I couldn't leave it blank.


Sorry if I offened you and you took my post personally.  I was just expressing my opinion and feelings on the general subject, not attaching you.

Best Wishes
LBO




YourhandMyAss -> RE: what to do?? (10/4/2007 10:37:34 AM)

You make your master sound very immature and very selfish, then when people call a spade a spade, from what they're reading you say "they've already made up their minds to be of a negative opinion of you."

Think about your actions, think about what you posts says. Actions speak louder than words, and so far you have 4 threads complaining about him. Or if not complaining down right doubting himfor his actions, One thread you say he calls you names demeans you and says you lie about medical conditions.

What kind of impression is that supposed to give? You do not say a lot of positive things about your master or your relationship on here.
quote:

ORIGINAL: stateira

I had written a response but decided it really wasn't worth pursuing because I didn't have anything nice to say.   Justifying myself isn't going to do any good since I would be trying to justify my asking for help to those who have already formed such a negative opinion of me.  I don't know how to totally delete a response though and I couldn't leave it blank.




Arastella -> RE: what to do?? (10/4/2007 11:48:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

It was a tiff that you both contributed to.  Stop trying to be the peace maker and erase it all- it's good that you apologized, but as Julia said, are you working on what caused the initial argument to start with? 

Secondly, HE has to work it out with him and make amends as well.  He contributed to the fight and needs to see his part and how to work on better behavior in the future also.

And the buying the CD thing- what's up with that?  It reeks of desparate measures and that's not going to help anyone in the long term and I shudder to think what you'll do when a REAL serious fight comes along and you try and think of what to "give him" then?
*nod nod*  Couldn't have said it better.  A good quote for that is "It takes two to tango."  If you two had an arguement, always know you're not the only one at fault.

On a side note, LA, I'm in complete awe at the lack of a link. lol.  You always have a link to back up your posts, I'm amused.  Nothing against you hun, just an observation and it put a smile on my face.




Arastella -> RE: what to do?? (10/4/2007 11:53:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: velvetears

If you felt he was over reacting and the argument or fight was really over nothing then maybe he caught on to this attitude despite your apology and resents the insincerity.  Maybe write him a letter and leave it where he will find it - don't hand it to him and just go about your business.  i don't know if your live with him, or se him occassionally etc but if you do live together ask him if you can be of service when appropriate and don't bring up the subject again until he does.  Otherwise you'd be beating a dead horse.
Thats exactly what I was thinking.  He may be thinking insincerity because he may have caught onto the fact that you don't thinik it a was a big deal.  Therefore, the apology is basically null and void.




Arastella -> RE: what to do?? (10/4/2007 11:59:07 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: stateira

I had written a response but decided it really wasn't worth pursuing because I didn't have anything nice to say.   Justifying myself isn't going to do any good since I would be trying to justify my asking for help to those who have already formed such a negative opinion of me.  I don't know how to totally delete a response though and I couldn't leave it blank.
You're expressing your problems on a public forum.  If you come here expecting a pat on a the back and a "poor you" ya ain't gonna get it.  These people here are real and they know what they're talking about and if you want help and no real opinions, go elsewhere.  You wrote on a public forum, either expect good AND bad answers, or go to your girlfriends for advice.  I had to learn this REALLY quick.  I dunno how much you've posted in the message boards, but just for future reference, when you write in the message boards, expect negative responses or just shut up.  Not to be rude, but you're kinda being rude to the people here who've taken time to give you their advice and opinions.




CreativeDominant -> RE: what to do?? (10/4/2007 2:01:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: stateira

My Master and I had an argument...something small and really nothing to be very upset about in my opinion.  However, my opinion doesn't matter.  He got upset and has been upset with me since this afternoon. The argument was both of our faults but I have taken responsibility and apologized several times.  I even went out and bought him a CD he's been wanting for a really long time.  He won't accept my apologies though, and I don't know what else to do.  I asked him what else he wanted me to do and he wouldn't answer me.   What else can I do to help him forgive me?


How about not pushing him to do so?

You have a right to your opinion about how important the topic that the two of you disagreed upon is.  But since there are two of you involved in the argument, he also has the right to have his opinion of how important the topic is and that opinion may not coincide with yours.  Depending on your dynamic, it is most likely going to be his opinion that counts for most and I think you already knew that when you sought to apologize.   But knowing that, as the dominant/Master, his opinion is what counts for the most in the relationship...and believing that and acting upon that belief...are different things. 

You point up that the argument was both your fault.  In most cases, I agree with the viewpoint that it takes two to tango.  That being said, let's face it...if a submissive does something that the dominant finds displeasing (and has expressed his displeasure over said behavior before) and he expresses his displeasure and the submissive chooses to argue the point, then who really is at fault?  The submissive...because she argued a point that she knew the dominant was right about?  The dominant for "daring" to speak up about behavior that he found displeasing rather than just letting it go?  Or both, for their own reasons of fault?
Too many variables.

You also state that though the argument was both your fault (though that has yet to be proven, given we don't know what the argument was about), YOU took responsibility and apologized.  Depending on your dynamic, that could well be what is expected of you and you are doing no more than fulfilling your obligation.  As stated by others, he may feel that your apology is insincere and given your expressed belief that the argument was one in which you both were equally at fault, he may be right.  YOU went out and bought him a CD.  YOU apologized several times.  It almost sounds as if you are trying to convince us that you have been such a total good girl in your response to the argument.  But, given that you are the slave (and the title of slave or submissive here really does not matter in this instance except to point out your station), it smacks of an attempt at manipulating your dominant/Master to do things in YOUR way, on YOUR schedule, because you want to feel better and "get past it".  I can't help but wonder if the push to do things on YOUR schedule is because there is a part of you inside that is just dying to hear his apology AND if bringing this to the board and presenting it in the fashion you did is an attempt to elucidate comments from others that agree with your...granted, unstated...belief that he should do just that AND apologize.  Yet, as I said...we don't know yet what his feelings are or whether or not he DOES owe you an apology.

Sorry if this offends you but you came here looking for answers...some of them are not going to agree with your viewpoint.





TheChastiser -> RE: what to do?? (10/4/2007 2:38:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: stateira

My Master and I had an argument...something small and really nothing to be very upset about in my opinion.  However, my opinion doesn't matter.  He got upset and has been upset with me since this afternoon. The argument was both of our faults but I have taken responsibility and apologized several times.  I even went out and bought him a CD he's been wanting for a really long time.  He won't accept my apologies though, and I don't know what else to do.  I asked him what else he wanted me to do and he wouldn't answer me.   What else can I do to help him forgive me?


are you slave or sub? if sub, there should be good enough communications in the relationship to resolve this, if not, questions should be asked. if slave, there are no arguements. this may be why attention has been withdrawn.

Mike




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