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RE: A**Question for the Computer Gurus Re: Vista and Ne... - 5/27/2007 9:09:37 AM   
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Why would you claim Public Relations and Marketing materials supercede the terms of the LICENSE?

http://download.microsoft.com/documents/useterms/Windows%20Vista_Home%20Basic_English_2cd69850-7680-4987-8b1e-59a3d405c074.pdf

Top of Page 3.

"(b) During a validation check the software will send information about the software and the device to Microsoft."

Bottom of Page 8.

"The software is licensed, not sold. This agreement only gives you some rights to use the software. Microsoft reserves all other rights.




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RE: A**Question for the Computer Gurus Re: Vista and Ne... - 5/27/2007 9:14:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BucksMaster

A very interesting series of replies to this question, but in fact how many of them have actually worked with the product.

Vista in its current form is still very buggy with most manufactures lagging behind when it comes to drivers.  New equipment will not suffer from the driver issue to such a large degree but there will be some issues.

Remember, upgrading to Vista at this stage has pitfalls as it is still largely a Beta product that is still undergoing final refinement.  If you want real stability you had best wait for the replease of SP1 (best guess August this year).

It is a good product and you will be surprised by the refinements but right now, unless you are in a rush, then hold back.

As with all MS products bigger is better, depending on the version you are looking to purchase you will want at least 2GB of RAM with a Dual Core 2 processor.  Buy bigger if you can.

One last point here, I am an MCSE and I am also certified in Vista so I do speak with some knowledge.



No offence, but being an MCSE means nothing.  All it means is that you read a book and wrote a test..   Any dummy can do that, and indeed every local college is pumping drones out by the day that choke when you set an actual computer in front of them and tell them to fix it. 

Case in point.  I just had a call a couple of days ago.  An office was using a database on a network, and every time they logged on with more than one computer simultaneously, the database choked.  The "MCSE" tech spent days on it and never fixed it.  A VERY frustrated office manager called me..  And I had it fixed in an hour.  Another one.   A restaurant I service uses a database on a point of sale network.  The network went down so none of the servers could log into the database from any of the terminals, only the main server at the bar.  The POS people came to fix it.  Spent days on it and nothing.  Local techs came to fix it.  Spent days on it, and nothing.  The restaurant manager spent hours on the phone with the programmers, and nothing.  It took me over an hour to trace the spaghetti in that place, and another two hours to fix it.  Done.  She wrote a testimonial for my website.

Another client.. Runs a very large, multi-million dollar plant..  He hired an "MCSE" tech as an office manager.  Of course this "MCSE" had to get his fingers in the pie and fucked up Window 2000 Advanced Server.  Their main server no less.  I had to go in after him and clean up his mess.  I was fucking pissed.  The dummy did not even know how to perform the Windows 2003 Server upgrade.

Certs do not mean SHIT.

I have no regard for any certs over experience.  Field experience is what matters.  It is not "what you know".. It is how you are able to apply it.  Now, you tell me that you have a decade of hands-on experience in such and such an IT department..  Then I will be impressed.

Anyways, buggy eh?  Would you care to prove that to me?  I have been using Vista for over a year now, as I was also a beta tester for it (as I also am for Longhorn)..  Of course as a tech and VAR I also sell, service and support it.  I would like to know where these bugs are that would prevent every day use of the OS?  Sure, there might be a couple here and there...  But not the way you are painting the picture.  In fact, Vista in it's current form is ultra stable.  Where you find "bugs" is when people start trying to introduce legacy apps into the equation.  Most often, they are taking their XP apps into Vista and not running them in the proper mode.  And I have run into a few buggy applications, but that is not the fault of Microsoft.  That is the fault of the programmers of that particular app.

As for drivers..  The only problem with drivers is with legacy hardware, and that will not be an issue if she is buying  a brand new laptop.  And..  That will NEVER be fixed, because the onus is on the manufacturer to support Vista...  And most manufacturers are posting right on their websites that they will not be supporting legacy hardware because it is EOSL.

As always..  Stick with the mainstream hardware..  If you buy junk..  Expect problems.  This has been an issue with Windows for as far back as I can recall.  I remember people bitching and screaming about Me too..  Same thing.  They did not know what they were doing, so rather than admit it they pointed the finger in Redmond's direction.  Windows 98 and blue screens..  Usually shit hardware, especially OEM RAM.

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RE: A**Question for the Computer Gurus Re: Vista and Ne... - 5/27/2007 9:33:02 AM   
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RE: A**Question for the Computer Gurus Re: Vista and Ne... - 5/27/2007 10:40:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

Wow.  That is all I can say.  Wow..  Now I understand how bullshit 9/11 and alien theories can stand the test of time..  Ignorance.

I am sitting here dumbfounded..  Absolutely dumbfounded..  How someone can misinterpret basic information..  and then make a huge conspiracy out of it?  Astounding.


i agree with WOW and dumb founded.  people come up with conspiracies because of the quotes of REALLY HONEST PEOPLE LIKE THIS:

The business of the New York journalist is to destroy truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon; to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. We are the tools and vessels for rich men behind the scenes. We are intellectual prostitutes."
John Swinton, editor of the New York Tribune, called by his peers, "the dean of his profession," was asked on February 26th, 1936, to give a toast before the New York Press Association.

"Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have."
Richard Salant, former president of CBS News.


"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated."

Bertrand Russell, philosopher, educator and mathematician, published a large number of books on logic, the theory of knowledge

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." --From The National Educator, K.M. Heaton

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of "liberalism" they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." Norman Thomas

G is Grace, the Flaming Star is the Torch of Reason. Those who possess this knowledge are indeed Illuminati.
Adam Weishaupt

Hidden schools of wisdom are the means which will one day free men from their bonds.
Adam Weishaupt

In another situation, and in an active station in life, I should have been keenly occupied, and the founding of an order would have never come into my head.
Adam Weishaupt

It was the full conviction of this, and of what could be done, if every man were placed in the office for which he was fitted by nature and a proper education, which first suggested to me the plan of Illumination.
Adam Weishaupt

Oh mortal man, is there anything you cannot be made to believe?
Adam Weishaupt


The first task of the association must therefore be to form the young members.
Adam Weishaupt

The human race will then become one family, and the world will be the dwelling of Rational Men.
Adam Weishaupt

The slightest observation shows that nothing will so much contribute to increase the zeal of the members as secret union.
Adam Weishaupt

History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance." - President James Madison

You are a den of vipers and thieves and I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God, I will rout you out. If Congress has the right to issue paper money, it was given them to be used by themselves, and not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.." -- Andrew Jackson's address to Congress 1829

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promise of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march toward a world government. The super-national sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
David Rockefeller, Baden-Baden, Germany, June 1991.


Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws.
Mayer Amschel Rothschild

Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws.
Mayer Amschel Rothschild

A man generally has two reasons for doing a thing. One that sounds good, and a real one.
J. P. Morgan


Well, I don't know as I want a lawyer to tell me what I cannot do. I hire him to tell how to do what I want to do.
J. P. Morgan

We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.

James Paul Warburg

Immense power is acquired by assuring yourself in your secret reveries that you were born to control affairs.
Andrew Carnegie

He that cannot reason is a fool. He that will not is a bigot. He that dare not is a slave.
Andrew Carnegie

Good leadership consists of showing average people how to do the work of superior people.
John D. Rockefeller

I have ways of making money that you know nothing of.
John D. Rockefeller

I would rather earn 1% off a 100 people's efforts than 100% of my own efforts.
John D. Rockefeller

The ability to deal with people is as purchasable a commodity as sugar or coffee and I will pay more for that ability than for any other under the sun.
John D. Rockefeller

The way to make money is to buy when blood is running in the streets.
John D. Rockefeller

"All of the perplexities, confusion, and distress in America arises, not from the defects of the Constitution or Confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, so much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation." -- John Adams, Founding Father

"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."   David Rockefeller, Memoirs, 2002


Last another one of my favorites  that directly applies here:
A man generally has two reasons for doing a thing. One that sounds good, and a real one.
J. P. Morgan


But that doesnt apply to ANYTHING upright honest joe microsoft would do either! LMFAO

If you doubt the existance of conspiracies read the quotes right from the horses asses, err i mean the wonderful elite.

Some people actually understand what is going on while others prefer to live in DENIAL!  We call them non-conspiracy theorists LOL



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RE: A**Question for the Computer Gurus Re: Vista and Ne... - 5/27/2007 10:57:49 AM   
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I rest my case. 

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RE: A**Question for the Computer Gurus Re: Vista and Ne... - 5/27/2007 11:08:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

I rest my case. 


Hey i am not the one who is AWOL from your soapbox attempt at trashing the 911 truth movement where your only theme and defense was "bullshit" rather than provide anything substantial. 

So i can understand why a well built case like that can get pretty heavy after a while.





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RE: A**Question for the Computer Gurus Re: Vista and Ne... - 5/27/2007 11:10:10 AM   
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Kenin,


Aren't you the one who made the jump from the CLEAR TEXT of Microsoft's License Agreement to "Crackpot Conspiracy Theories"?



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RE: A**Question for the Computer Gurus Re: Vista and Ne... - 5/27/2007 1:23:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Kenin,


Aren't you the one who made the jump from the CLEAR TEXT of Microsoft's License Agreement to "Crackpot Conspiracy Theories"?




Seeing as how you apparently like to read, read all those Microsoft links I provided..  You will not be able to save face, but at least you will be able to educate yourself.

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RE: A**Question for the Computer Gurus Re: Vista and Ne... - 5/27/2007 1:37:47 PM   
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CORRECT. The "DEVICE" is Your Computer. It doesn't EXPRESSLY LIMIT what information about that "DEVICE" is collected or transmitted does it?

So it's PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE UNDER THIS LICENSE to copy your registry and caches over to MSFT in their entirety for WHATEVER PURPOSES THEY CARE FOR.
...

If you had written "SOME OF THIS INFORMATION *MAY* HAVE TO WITH", then you would have been correct, but *I* see *NO SUCH LIMIT* in the License. Do you?

WHERE IS IT?

I'll concede this point to you. It is true that the information that Microsoft might collect could be more than what is strictly necessary. In fact, they were caught some years ago doing just that when you ran a Windows Update. However, the license doesn't grant any such permission to do this. When MS was caught, they changed their practice. This is an important point; MS is under such scruitiny that things like this are usually discovered.

Again, I think you are misunderstanding or misrepresenting the basic function of the license. The license is granting rights to you by Microsoft to use their software in certain ways and not in other ways. It is not granting anything to Microsoft.

Again, I find myself in the strange situation of defending MS!!?? But if you are going to criticise them, do it on something of some substance.

quote:

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They can *SAY* whatever they want. THE LICENSE SAYS DIFFERENTLY, AND IT IS WHAT IS LEGALLY BINDING.

...

Does it say "... to the software"? No.

Then why would you claim that Microsoft limits the rights reserved to the software?

And that's a pointless claim for you to make, because the[y] can simply reserve the right to change what the[y] DECIDE is ok for them to collect.

...

Because the 2 parts of their license ENABLE THEM to kowtow to the MPAA. If they didn't reserve every right not expressly delegated to you in the license, then maybe the license would be fair, eh?

The opening paragraph of the license states that this license applies to the "software named above", which in your example, is Vista. They cannot change the agreement that they made with you when you purchased the software. They can only change the agreement for future users.

I am not overly fond of Microsoft. But I am not rabidly anti-Microsoft, either. While they have indeed done some "dastardly" things, mainly to their competitors, they are also largely responsible for the growth of the computer industry. I was in the industry when Microsoft was just another small relatively unknown software company. In those days, there was no standard hardware platform (pre-IBM PC), no standard software platform, etc. You couldn't just run down to the corner computer store and buy various hardware and software and have it work together. The industry has come a long way and a lot of people have made their living doing what we do largely because of IBM and Microsoft.

While there may not be any "lost love" between Microsoft and I, I also don't "bite the hand that feeds me."

-DarkDreams

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RE: A**Question for the Computer Gurus Re: Vista and Ne... - 5/27/2007 1:50:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Kenin,


Aren't you the one who made the jump from the CLEAR TEXT of Microsoft's License Agreement to "Crackpot Conspiracy Theories"?




Seeing as how you apparently like to read, read all those Microsoft links I provided..  You will not be able to save face, but at least you will be able to educate yourself.




What?  Honest Billy?

Yes education is a good thing!

i am so happy that microsoft is so trustworthy!

Only 3 million hits microsoft sued!!!!!   LMAO

We KNOW we can trust microsoft!!!!




Microsoft sued over Windows Vista marketing

By TODD BISHOP
P-I REPORTER

A lawsuit alleges that Microsoft Corp. engaged in deceptive practices by letting PC makers promote computers as "Windows Vista Capable" even if they couldn't run the new operating system's "signature" features.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/310004_msftsued03.html
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Microsoft's lawsuit payouts amount to around $9 billion

Updated Twice the GDP of Cambodia

By Désiré Athow: Thursday 14 July 2005, 14:35
* UPDATE Additional material at the end of this article.

MICROSOFT HAS had a long, a very long history of litigation, court orders, patent infringements and antitrust lawsuits against it since the very beginning of its history. We;ve managed to draw up a partial list of these.

The surprising thing is not only the number of those lawsuits against Microsoft – at one time, it had more than 130 pending – but more importantly, the sheer amount of money it represents.

The Redmond giant has been ordered to pay nearly $9 billion, a figure which is set to rise with some lawsuits still to be ruled on.

This covers everthing from the miniscule $2 million paid to the state of Iowa, as a fine following the 1999 lawsuit against MS for overcharging customers, to the huge $2 billion one paid to the Enemy, Sun Microsystems.
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=24621
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Microsoft sued over Excel
Guatemalan inventor claims $500m
By John Oates → More by this author
Published Wednesday 18th May 2005 09:55 GMT
Find your perfect job - click here from thousands of tech vacancies

A Guatemalan inventor claims Microsoft is illegally using his software to transfer information between its spreadsheet products Excel and Access. Carlos Armando Amado says he filed a patent in 1990 for software which lets users move data between Excel to Access via a spreadsheet. He tried to sell it to Microsoft two years later, according to Reuters.

Amado claims Microsoft starting using his technology in Access releases from 1995 to 2002. Microsoft deny this saying they started working on the technology in 1989 - three years before Amado came to see them.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/18/microsoft_court_excel/
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Microsoft Sued for Xbox 360 Problems
By Ed Oswald, BetaNews
December 5, 2005, 2:36 PM

Microsoft has been sued by a Chicago man who bought the company's new Xbox 360 game console over alleged overheating and lockup issues. The suit, which asks for class-action status, accuses Microsoft of rushing to market a flawed system to ensure it beat competitors Sony and Nintendo to the punch.

According to Reuters, the suit seeks damages and litigation related expenses, as well as a replacement or recall of Xbox 360
http://www.betanews.com/article/Microsoft_Sued_for_Xbox_360_Problems/1133811369
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Microsoft sued over .Net patent infringement

Vertical Computer Systems takes Redmond to court in Texas
Ian Williams, vnunet.com, 23 Apr 2007

Microsoft is being sued in a Texas district court by Vertical Computer Systems for alleged patent infringement.

Vertical Computer alleges that Microsoft's .Net framework violates patent number 6,826,744, which describes "a system and method for generating computer applications in an arbitrary object framework".

The method "separates content, form, and function of the computer application so that each may be accessed or modified separately", the patent filing states.

Vertical Computer filed the lawsuit on 18 April after claiming that Microsoft infringed the patent following a cease-and-desist order issued on 7 February.
http://www.computing.co.uk/vnunet/news/2188358/microsoft-sued-net-patent


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RE: A**Question for the Computer Gurus Re: Vista and Ne... - 5/27/2007 2:36:49 PM   
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Real..  If there ever comes a day when you can build a competent argument (which I fully understand will be a stellar achievement in and of itself) AND stay on topic at the same time...  Let me know.

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RE: A**Question for the Computer Gurus Re: Vista and Ne... - 5/27/2007 3:19:05 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Kenin,


Aren't you the one who made the jump from the CLEAR TEXT of Microsoft's License Agreement to "Crackpot Conspiracy Theories"?




Seeing as how you apparently like to read, read all those Microsoft links I provided.. You will not be able to save face, but at least you will be able to educate yourself.


What possible relevance does Marketing and PR material have to the Clearly designated License Terms?

Which takes Precedence? The License Terms, or some marketing material.

Because of all the links you provide, I notice that ONLY I present a link to the ACTUAL MICROSOFT LICENSE.

So, you claim either:

A) Some random webpage takes precedence over the LICENSE?

or

B) The license does NOT CONTAIN THE TEXT I HAVE CITED VERBATIM?



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RE: A**Question for the Computer Gurus Re: Vista and Ne... - 5/27/2007 3:24:51 PM   
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I am currently in the process of looking at purchasing a new laptop. I'm a general computer user and not really sure what I need as far as RAM (more), GB (more), etc. However, in the near future I may be administering a website/s from home as well ("Vista professional"). So, if you can take that into consideration when figuring out what I might need, please let me know. Can anyone recommend some nice laptops (Alienware) that are reasonably priced (Oooops...not Alienware)....less than $2000 (DEFINETELY not Alienware), let's say and tell me what I should look for as far as amount of memory (see above "more"), etc.? I had an HP (SUUUUUUUCKS!!!!!!!!!) and it only lasted me for two years (see previous), so I am not really interested in purchasing another one of those. I've had two IT people recommend Acer laptops (Chinese), but I am not familiar with that brand name. I currently have an older Compaq, which I bought used, but it doesn't have alot of memory. I don't download songs or watch DVDs, but I would like to have a laptop that I have that option on.

(Current laptops have up to 350 gigs HD).

I've been reading "mixed" reviews regarding the new OS, Vista. I would like to take everything off my current laptop and install it on my new one when I get it (hire someone). I am using Opera as my browser, but I also like Firefox as well. I'm not really keen on using IE, but I will when a site I am perusing does not support the other browsers. I am wondering if I try to transfer my data from this OS, which is Windows XP Home Version to Vista, if I am going to have a problem? (No).  I have a TON of websites "bookmarked" and I don't want to lose those or any other files that I may need (see above as to "hire someone"). I've also read that people have tried to uninstall Vista and install Windows XP and have had some difficulty as well (New rigs won't have this dilemma). Of course, that would require me purchasing the XP software as well. Are there ANY laptops still available with XP (Yes...see Dell) on them and should I just go ahead and upgrade or stick with XP (No), which I truly like?

Sorry for such a long post, however, any advise would be greatly appreciated!

Be well,
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RE: A**Question for the Computer Gurus Re: Vista and Ne... - 5/27/2007 3:31:48 PM   
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Real..  If there ever comes a day when you can build a competent argument (which I fully understand will be a stellar achievement in and of itself) AND stay on topic at the same time...  Let me know.

In the meantime.  Do not go away mad.  Just go away.



oh what a novel idea!!!   i should take your shining glow in the dark example of a competant argument and just make shit up as you did below i suppose?    i think NOT!!!


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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

Ok.  I have dissected every argument everyone has had with Real in the last year and come up with a summary.  It is as follows:

Poster:  There is no evidence of controlled demolition.

Real:  Bush lied.  See www.bullshit.com for more details.

Poster:  WTC1 collapsed from the top, at the point of impact.  See these videos for evidence.

Real:  Bush lied.  See www.horseshit.com for more details.

Poster:  There was no evidence of thermite.  See this video and these photographs for more details.

Real:  Bush lied.  See www.wehatebush.com for more details.

Poster:  The WTC stood for an hour and a half after the supposed explosion that blew out the foundations.

Real:  Bush lied.  See www.conspiracytheories.com

Poster:  WTC 4,5 and 6 are still standing.

Real: Kennedy was assasinated by the Illuminati.  See www.we-saw-elvis.com for more details.

Poster:  Here is the photographic evidence that the asbestos was being systematically inspected and replaced.

Real:  Are you going to bring any real arguments to the table for me to debate?  Oh.  And Bush lied.  Please see this thread, this thread, this thread, these ten threads and this thread here for the exact same fucking post quoted from www.aliens-run-the-Illuminati.com
 

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Kenin,


Aren't you the one who made the jump from the CLEAR TEXT of Microsoft's License Agreement to "Crackpot Conspiracy Theories"?




Seeing as how you apparently like to read, read all those Microsoft links I provided.. You will not be able to save face, but at least you will be able to educate yourself.


None of those links take precedence over the License.

Can't understand that the license terms trump some random webpage?

Good thing you're not any sort of litigator.

Maybe this helps... Page 8.

22. ENTIRE AGREEMENT. This agreement ( including the warranty below ) additional terms and the terms for supplements, updates, Internet-based services and support services that you use are the entire agreement for the software and support services.

Any Questions?





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ORIGINAL: farglebargle


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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Kenin,


Aren't you the one who made the jump from the CLEAR TEXT of Microsoft's License Agreement to "Crackpot Conspiracy Theories"?




Seeing as how you apparently like to read, read all those Microsoft links I provided.. You will not be able to save face, but at least you will be able to educate yourself.


None of those links take precedence over the License.

Can't understand that the license terms trump some random webpage?

Good thing you're not any sort of litigator.

Maybe this helps... Page 8.

22. ENTIRE AGREEMENT. This agreement ( including the warranty below ) additional terms and the terms for supplements, updates, Internet-based services and support services that you use are the entire agreement for the software and support services.

Any Questions?






Those "random webpages" are Microsoft's explanations for the clueless (which evidently includes you) and actual tech documents (notice the TechNet links) for the technically inclined..  Which evidently you are not..  But I included them anyways for the rest of the people that can function on more than the most rudimentary of levels.

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RE: A**Question for the Computer Gurus Re: Vista and Ne... - 5/27/2007 5:48:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

Real..  If there ever comes a day when you can build a competent argument (which I fully understand will be a stellar achievement in and of itself) AND stay on topic at the same time...  Let me know.

In the meantime.  Do not go away mad.  Just go away.



oh what a novel idea!!!   i should take your shining glow in the dark example of a competant argument and just make shit up as you did below i suppose?    i think NOT!!!


quote:

ORIGINAL: SirKenin

Ok.  I have dissected every argument everyone has had with Real in the last year and come up with a summary.  It is as follows:

Poster:  There is no evidence of controlled demolition.

Real:  Bush lied.  See www.bullshit.com for more details.

Poster:  WTC1 collapsed from the top, at the point of impact.  See these videos for evidence.

Real:  Bush lied.  See www.horseshit.com for more details.

Poster:  There was no evidence of thermite.  See this video and these photographs for more details.

Real:  Bush lied.  See www.wehatebush.com for more details.

Poster:  The WTC stood for an hour and a half after the supposed explosion that blew out the foundations.

Real:  Bush lied.  See www.conspiracytheories.com

Poster:  WTC 4,5 and 6 are still standing.

Real: Kennedy was assasinated by the Illuminati.  See www.we-saw-elvis.com for more details.

Poster:  Here is the photographic evidence that the asbestos was being systematically inspected and replaced.

Real:  Are you going to bring any real arguments to the table for me to debate?  Oh.  And Bush lied.  Please see this thread, this thread, this thread, these ten threads and this thread here for the exact same fucking post quoted from www.aliens-run-the-Illuminati.com
 



bwahahahaha.  LoooohoooooHOOOOOOser..   I can NOT believe you took that literally..  It was a figurative diatribe.. Meant to make a point.

hahaha.  Oh man..  No wonder you fall for so much conspiracy horseshit.  That is priceless.  lmao.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SirKenin

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirKenin

Real..  If there ever comes a day when you can build a competent argument (which I fully understand will be a stellar achievement in and of itself) AND stay on topic at the same time...  Let me know.

In the meantime.  Do not go away mad.  Just go away.



oh what a novel idea!!!   i should take your shining glow in the dark example of a competant argument and just make shit up as you did below i suppose?    i think NOT!!!


quote:

ORIGINAL: SirKenin

Ok.  I have dissected every argument everyone has had with Real in the last year and come up with a summary.  It is as follows:

Poster:  There is no evidence of controlled demolition.

Real:  Bush lied.  See www.bullshit.com for more details.

Poster:  WTC1 collapsed from the top, at the point of impact.  See these videos for evidence.

Real:  Bush lied.  See www.horseshit.com for more details.

Poster:  There was no evidence of thermite.  See this video and these photographs for more details.

Real:  Bush lied.  See www.wehatebush.com for more details.

Poster:  The WTC stood for an hour and a half after the supposed explosion that blew out the foundations.

Real:  Bush lied.  See www.conspiracytheories.com

Poster:  WTC 4,5 and 6 are still standing.

Real: Kennedy was assasinated by the Illuminati.  See www.we-saw-elvis.com for more details.

Poster:  Here is the photographic evidence that the asbestos was being systematically inspected and replaced.

Real:  Are you going to bring any real arguments to the table for me to debate?  Oh.  And Bush lied.  Please see this thread, this thread, this thread, these ten threads and this thread here for the exact same fucking post quoted from www.aliens-run-the-Illuminati.com
 



bwahahahaha.  LoooohoooooHOOOOOOser..   I can NOT believe you took that literally..  It was a figurative diatribe.. Meant to make a point.

hahaha.  Oh man..  No wonder you fall for so much conspiracy horseshit.  That is priceless.  lmao.



not so fast there kenny.......it did make a point just not the one you would have liked.


i might point out to you that everything you posted in that thrread was diatribe


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RE: A**Question for the Computer Gurus Re: Vista and Ne... - 5/27/2007 5:54:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirKenin

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirKenin

Real..  If there ever comes a day when you can build a competent argument (which I fully understand will be a stellar achievement in and of itself) AND stay on topic at the same time...  Let me know.

In the meantime.  Do not go away mad.  Just go away.



oh what a novel idea!!!   i should take your shining glow in the dark example of a competant argument and just make shit up as you did below i suppose?    i think NOT!!!


quote:

ORIGINAL: SirKenin

Ok.  I have dissected every argument everyone has had with Real in the last year and come up with a summary.  It is as follows:

Poster:  There is no evidence of controlled demolition.

Real:  Bush lied.  See www.bullshit.com for more details.

Poster:  WTC1 collapsed from the top, at the point of impact.  See these videos for evidence.

Real:  Bush lied.  See www.horseshit.com for more details.

Poster:  There was no evidence of thermite.  See this video and these photographs for more details.

Real:  Bush lied.  See www.wehatebush.com for more details.

Poster:  The WTC stood for an hour and a half after the supposed explosion that blew out the foundations.

Real:  Bush lied.  See www.conspiracytheories.com

Poster:  WTC 4,5 and 6 are still standing.

Real: Kennedy was assasinated by the Illuminati.  See www.we-saw-elvis.com for more details.

Poster:  Here is the photographic evidence that the asbestos was being systematically inspected and replaced.

Real:  Are you going to bring any real arguments to the table for me to debate?  Oh.  And Bush lied.  Please see this thread, this thread, this thread, these ten threads and this thread here for the exact same fucking post quoted from www.aliens-run-the-Illuminati.com
 



bwahahahaha.  LoooohoooooHOOOOOOser..   I can NOT believe you took that literally..  It was a figurative diatribe.. Meant to make a point.

hahaha.  Oh man..  No wonder you fall for so much conspiracy horseshit.  That is priceless.  lmao.



not so fast there kenny.......it did make a point just not the one you would have liked.




Maybe not to you..  But then again..  You are the one that thinks that controlled demolition knocks the tops off buildings.  hehe. 

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirKenin

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirKenin

Real..  If there ever comes a day when you can build a competent argument (which I fully understand will be a stellar achievement in and of itself) AND stay on topic at the same time...  Let me know.

In the meantime.  Do not go away mad.  Just go away.



oh what a novel idea!!!   i should take your shining glow in the dark example of a competant argument and just make shit up as you did below i suppose?    i think NOT!!!


quote:

ORIGINAL: SirKenin

Ok.  I have dissected every argument everyone has had with Real in the last year and come up with a summary.  It is as follows:

Poster:  There is no evidence of controlled demolition.

Real:  Bush lied.  See www.bullshit.com for more details.

Poster:  WTC1 collapsed from the top, at the point of impact.  See these videos for evidence.

Real:  Bush lied.  See www.horseshit.com for more details.

Poster:  There was no evidence of thermite.  See this video and these photographs for more details.

Real:  Bush lied.  See www.wehatebush.com for more details.

Poster:  The WTC stood for an hour and a half after the supposed explosion that blew out the foundations.

Real:  Bush lied.  See www.conspiracytheories.com

Poster:  WTC 4,5 and 6 are still standing.

Real: Kennedy was assasinated by the Illuminati.  See www.we-saw-elvis.com for more details.

Poster:  Here is the photographic evidence that the asbestos was being systematically inspected and replaced.

Real:  Are you going to bring any real arguments to the table for me to debate?  Oh.  And Bush lied.  Please see this thread, this thread, this thread, these ten threads and this thread here for the exact same fucking post quoted from www.aliens-run-the-Illuminati.com
 



bwahahahaha.  LoooohoooooHOOOOOOser..   I can NOT believe you took that literally..  It was a figurative diatribe.. Meant to make a point.

hahaha.  Oh man..  No wonder you fall for so much conspiracy horseshit.  That is priceless.  lmao.



not so fast there kenny.......it did make a point just not the one you would have liked.




Maybe not to you..  But then again..  You are the one that thinks that controlled demolition knocks the tops off buildings.  hehe. 


and you like a certain very few others know so little about demolition that you think there is only one way to do it LOL


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