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pahunkboy -> would arabs annilite America ? (5/26/2007 10:40:33 AM)
i took the holiday chance to share a ww2 pic with my neighbor. anyone she said this questioned posed 25% said they would- 25% wouldnt answer the question. when i mentioned shared sacrafice- and big oil profits. she said that has nothing to do with it. she lived ww2 and said todays dissent would be considerred "traitor". ok- let the can of warms spill. i concluded the converstion be saying i will always thank a veteran. She said Jesus is handling it. bing. your turn. ===============>

TheHeretic -> RE: would arabs annilite America ? (5/26/2007 11:02:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy she lived ww2 and said todays dissent would be considerred "traitor". I was listening to to the History Channel one evening (I tend to have the tv on for background noise when I'm messing around on the 'puter) and they played a recording of some Marine officer giving a war bond interview and talking about "the Sob Brigade." The peace freaks will always be with us I hope, and bless them for it. In the modern realm of the worldwide propaganda war though, the lines between dissent and aiding the enemy get very complex and blurry and grey. Not a good place for those who see it all in black and white.

philosophy -> RE: would arabs annilite America ? (5/26/2007 11:06:38 AM)
"In the modern realm of the worldwide propaganda war though, the lines between dissent and aiding the enemy get very complex and blurry and grey." ..i'd argue that it's not dissent that worldwide communication makes blurry...rather it's the concept of enemy. Can an enemy be our own government, or parts of it, as opposed to an external group who they tell us is the enemy?

SirKenin -> RE: would arabs annilite America ? (5/26/2007 11:07:05 AM)
Why would they annihilate it? Better to simply take it over.. Much like they pretty much already have.

TheHeretic -> RE: would arabs annilite America ? (5/26/2007 11:14:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy ..i'd argue that it's not dissent that worldwide communication makes blurry...rather it's the concept of enemy. Can an enemy be our own government, or parts of it, as opposed to an external group who they tell us is the enemy? (Hey, Phil! Good to see you back among us and congrats on the happy news.) Which sides beheads people while chanting "our God is cool?"

Sinergy -> RE: would arabs annilite America ? (5/26/2007 11:59:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Which sides beheads people while chanting "our God is cool?" Christians? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianisation Look under Pope Gregory I and Charlemagne. Sinergy

TheHeretic -> RE: would arabs annilite America ? (5/26/2007 12:12:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Which sides beheads people while chanting "our God is cool?" Christians? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianisation Look under Pope Gregory I and Charlemagne. Sinergy Don't suppose you have something from this century do you? Something institutional? Sanctioned by religious authority? That wouldn't qualify as "newbie play" to some on this site?

cyberdude611 -> RE: would arabs annilite America ? (5/26/2007 12:16:17 PM)
They've already taken over the country. And it's politically incorrect to criticize or question anything that religion does.

Sinergy -> RE: would arabs annilite America ? (5/26/2007 12:30:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Which sides beheads people while chanting "our God is cool?" Christians? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianisation Look under Pope Gregory I and Charlemagne. Sinergy Don't suppose you have something from this century do you? Something institutional? Sanctioned by religious authority? That wouldn't qualify as "newbie play" to some on this site? Capital punishment happens to be outlawed in most Western countries going back years. This was done largely due to the influence of Christian values in Western Europe and Canada and Australia. Instead of beheading, the Puritan derived Government in the United States uses lethal injection. So if your point is that the way a government sanctions the slaughter of people ranges in levels of barbarism from beheading, butt pyramids, defenestration, whatever at one end to death by lethal injection at the other, is what determines the level of civilization in a culture. Then I suppose you are correct, Muslims should be blown up because certain branches of that culture condone death by beheading. My point is that whatever method to use to kill somebody, I tend to think that murdering murderers to show people that murdering is wrong is idiotic. It is simply the extrapolation of the idea that one should hit children to prove once and for all to children that hitting is wrong. Sinergy

TheHeretic -> RE: would arabs annilite America ? (5/26/2007 12:35:55 PM)
We are talking apples here, Sinergy, not oranges. Nice try though.

Level -> RE: would arabs annilite America ? (5/26/2007 1:14:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 They've already taken over the country. And it's politically incorrect to criticize or question anything that religion does. *Really, it's becoming politcally incorrect to admit to being* religious.....**

philosophy -> RE: would arabs annilite America ? (5/26/2007 1:29:06 PM)
..i'm not as convinced that the christian/islamic thing is an apples/oranges thing. The Lords Army in Africa, christian organisations that condone violence against abortionists, the catholic churchs' covering up of paedophile priests........do these count as "something from this century? Something institutional? Sanctioned by religious authority?" ............i'm not saying that one religion is worse than any other one, just saying that it way too easy to be blind to those qualities in ones own culture that are less than exemplary.

TheHeretic -> RE: would arabs annilite America ? (5/26/2007 1:37:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy ..i'm not as convinced that the christian/islamic thing is an apples/oranges thing. You misunderstood my context, Phil. I was responding to Sinergy's attempt to compare the conduct of Islamo-fascist militants to the US death penalty. Not comparing religions.

philosophy -> RE: would arabs annilite America ? (5/26/2007 1:47:45 PM)
Fair enough TH.......mind you, i still feel that our own culture, under the microscope of user controlled media, is less a paragon of virtue than perhaps most of us think. When we think in terms of enemies and allies, we tend to correlate those labels with right and wrong. When we are in the wrong (and i can't stress strongly enough that both sides in an argument can be wrong) should we support the state to the same extent that we would if we were in the right? Isn't it a patriotic act to criticize in such circumstances?

popeye1250 -> RE: would arabs annilite America ? (5/26/2007 1:50:09 PM)
I'm just glad there's about 400 million firearms in the hands of American Citizens. Would the Arabs anihilate America? We'll see.

TheHeretic -> RE: would arabs annilite America ? (5/26/2007 2:02:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy Fair enough TH.......mind you, i still feel that our own culture, under the microscope of user controlled media, is less a paragon of virtue than perhaps most of us think. When we think in terms of enemies and allies, we tend to correlate those labels with right and wrong. When we are in the wrong (and i can't stress strongly enough that both sides in an argument can be wrong) should we support the state to the same extent that we would if we were in the right? Isn't it a patriotic act to criticize in such circumstances? A choice between the lesser of evils is often all we have. I wholeheartedly agree that we in the West are far from perfect, but we have a system which allows us to speak out and seek redress. In the system we are in conflict with, that can get you killed in pretty awful ways.

philosophy -> RE: would arabs annilite America ? (5/26/2007 2:08:03 PM)
"we have a system which allows us to speak out and seek redress. In the system we are in conflict with, that can get you killed in pretty awful ways." .......i'm not so sure that the West has quite the freedom of speech you allude to. Dissenting voices are often repressed in one form or another.....also, in the Islamic world the suppression of freedom of speech you allude to is not universal, not all Islamic countries are as bad as the Taliban. Basically, i think the sides in this 'War on Terror' are not as polarised as governments wish us to think.......

Level -> RE: would arabs annilite America ? (5/26/2007 2:32:52 PM)
Welcome back, phil. No, not all Islamic nations are as bad as the Taliban, but how good are the best of them? How many would prefer to live in Turkey, Indonesia, or Egypt, to a western country?

TheHeretic -> RE: would arabs annilite America ? (5/26/2007 2:36:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy "we have a system which allows us to speak out and seek redress. In the system we are in conflict with, that can get you killed in pretty awful ways." .......i'm not so sure that the West has quite the freedom of speech you allude to. Dissenting voices are often repressed in one form or another.....also, in the Islamic world the suppression of freedom of speech you allude to is not universal, not all Islamic countries are as bad as the Taliban. Basically, i think the sides in this 'War on Terror' are not as polarised as governments wish us to think....... I don't buy it, Phil. Did Michael Moore get hauled off to jail without me hearing about it? There is a highly significant difference between the responses of ignorant individuals, who might decide to kick somebody's ass (or simply hold a personal grudge) for something they say or do by way of protest and direct action by civil authorities because of it.

dcnovice -> RE: would arabs annilite America ? (5/26/2007 2:41:57 PM)
quote: They've already taken over the country. Arabs? Our leadership still looks largely WASPy to me.

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