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luvblkass -> What happened here? (5/27/2007 11:05:04 PM)
I'm new at posting and I know I'm going to get some hell for this ...But...I was talking to Bandit25 today (in person) and I was asking her when did the foreplay we enjoy turned in to a lifestyle? I'm "old school"and before computers,the internet,and cell phones.(life did exist back then) S&M was nothing more than a type of foreplay some people engage in before sex.How did thing get to the point where someone believes they can "own" another person? Why would anybody want to be"owned"? I don't get it.

DominaSmartass -> RE: What happened here? (5/27/2007 11:08:29 PM)
There certainly always have been people and still are people who live for the SM play and use it to spice up sex or get aroused. But there have been consensual Master/slave and Dom/sub relationships since waaaay before the internet. Sorry, you can't blame that on technology. It's just a different variation. No better or worse. And get this, some people's M/s and D/s doesn't even include SM play! How's that for mind-boggling? I know, I don't get that one either...

Lordandmaster -> RE: What happened here? (5/27/2007 11:09:49 PM)
You've lost me. What does "oun" mean? quote: ORIGINAL: luvblkass How did thing get to the point where someone believes they can "oun" another person? Why would anybody want to be"ouned"? I don't get it.

gypsyfirefly -> RE: What happened here? (5/27/2007 11:16:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster You've lost me. What does "oun" mean? quote: ORIGINAL: luvblkass How did thing get to the point where someone believes they can "oun" another person? Why would anybody want to be"ouned"? I don't get it. I believe the poster may mean "own" and "owned" (just my best guess).

luvblkass -> RE: What happened here? (5/27/2007 11:24:48 PM)
Its late at night I made a typo. It has been corected.

gypsyfirefly -> RE: What happened here? (5/27/2007 11:28:07 PM)
I didn't mean any offense. I apologize if I sounded as if I was correcting you. That was not my intention. I was just responding to L&M's question. [image]http://www.collarchat.com/upfiles/smiley/rolleyes.gif[/image]

BeautySleeping -> RE: What happened here? (5/27/2007 11:28:11 PM)
ummm.....maybe when Moses said.... this feels so damn good, let's do it all day long???

ExSteelAgain -> RE: What happened here? (5/28/2007 1:42:22 AM)
You can’t leave us hanging that way. What did Bandit25 say? There have always been BDSM as foreplay and M/s. You don’t think M/s has always been around, but you think BDSM has been? There has also always been more of an integration of the two than you see. Masters have always used BDSM techniques on those they owned. They have kept them in line with sexual domination, discipline, bondage and whipping. I can remember reading books such as “Iceberg Slim” when I was young about a pimp who used BDSM to control his girls. He whipped them, but also gave them attention, had them calling him daddy and wanting to please him. See what I mean? Nothing has changed.

azzmaster -> RE: What happened here? (5/28/2007 2:11:41 AM)
of course its voluntary and provides security for a sub in an insecure world

CDOM3 -> RE: What happened here? (5/28/2007 2:33:35 AM)
I would hazard an opinion that S&M did not become an aspect of foreplay in the lifestyle but rather the lifestyle adopted S&M. Pre recorded history gives us glimpes of individuals bonded together to form clans for survival. There was ONE leader and then his/her followers. The leader was responsible and made all the decisions. In effect the leader was the Master. You could put forth that this was the beginning of D/s and even that the lifestyle we embrace pre dates what we refer to as 'vanilla'. To some S&M is foreplay to others it is the dynamic. As to owning and why? To own someone is the highest tribute and responsibility one can assume. In effect when you own, you become Mother/Father/Guardian/Teacher/Personal Trainer. An owner molds, shapes, guides someone into their ideal. To be owned is to accept and understand that you have a place, a purpose. An inner peace that finally you can Trust with no conditions. To many, owning and being owned is the highest and only true form of love.

Viridana -> RE: What happened here? (5/28/2007 4:51:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CDOM3 To some S&M is foreplay to others it is the dynamic. And to some... it's neither..

bandit25 -> RE: What happened here? (5/28/2007 4:58:03 AM)
What a great first thread! And that Bandit25...what a woman of mystery! LOL! I am curious as to the replies also. I'll be following this one closely.

MHOO314 -> RE: What happened here? (5/28/2007 5:20:05 AM)
To the contrary, S&M did not start as foreplay to sex, S&M goes back to the Marquis de Sade and well before, it was initially a fiendish means of torture---maninly to the death----it then grew to perverse means of activities in the hidden chateaus of Europe, Eastern Europe and our West Coast--and most of those were not for sex but rather for the thrill of being "tortured", or to participate in "forbidden activities"---I believe that people then started tempering it into the bedroom--as a means of variety----however, do not assume that either S&M or D/s is about sex, that is a huge assumption that will get you in trouble---to some it is, to others it is not----

sleazybutterfly -> RE: What happened here? (5/28/2007 5:37:54 AM)
To be "owned" by my Master is a wonderful experience for me. It's not that legally he owns me, it's that in my heart...my body and my life are devoted to being his. By saying I am owned by him, it's just the way I say that I put him first, I submit to his will in my life, and he has complete control of what he does with my body. There is sex involved, but it's not the only thing that our M/s relationship evolves around. I am sure that this type of living has happened for centuries by some means...a controlling wife or husband for example, it just didn't have this name and it being on a voluntary basis was probably questionable. Just because one doesn't get why others do something, doesn't mean it is silly, or not as meaningful. It just means that it's not the way you are made, or it doesn't fulfill your life in the same way it does mine. The wonderful thing about WIITWD, is that there is plenty of room for us all...if anyone should be tolerant and say to each his own, I would think it should be us.

bipolarber -> RE: What happened here? (5/28/2007 6:27:37 AM)
To add to azzmaster's comment, the attraction for owning someone (from the Dom's point of view) is that you have an affirmed feeling of power in your life. That someone (perhaps several someones) feel that you are wonderful enough, and trustworthy enough to give themselves over to you. A pretty heady feeling, I assure you. There's nothing new to being "owned"... vanilla marriage is essentially the same thing: "..do you take this man, this woman, to be yours?" Etc. etc.

peepeegirl5 -> RE: What happened here? (5/28/2007 6:51:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luvblkass I'm new at posting and I know I'm going to get some hell for this ...But...I was talking to Bandit25 today (in person) and I was asking her when did the foreplay we enjoy turned in to a lifestyle? I'm "old school"and before computers,the internet,and cell phones.(life did exist back then) S&M was nothing more than a type of foreplay some people engage in before sex.How did thing get to the point where someone believes they can "own" another person? Why would anybody want to be"owned"? I don't get it. This world is illusion only to the individual who can't see through its phenomena and fails to apprehend the reality these phenomena reveal even as they conceal it. It's a realm of unity beyond polarity. The individual can reach freedom and peace in a supernal realm of being.

luvblkass -> RE: What happened here? (5/28/2007 8:39:49 AM)
Good explaintion.....I only question the extreme

luvblkass -> RE: What happened here? (5/28/2007 8:41:27 AM)
As always thanks for your suport babe.

bandit25 -> RE: What happened here? (5/28/2007 8:50:57 AM)
As usual, your post makes absolutely NO SENSE.

bandit25 -> RE: What happened here? (5/28/2007 8:52:23 AM)
My pleasure but you knew that.

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