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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 5/29/2007 12:09:42 PM

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Most people who are posting are discussing physical breathplay. It is hot as hell, but also very dangerous.

There is another way to accomplish many of the sensations of breathplay: Verbal breathplay.

Research Lamaze breathing, yoga, tantra, etc. Once you have researched, begin doing exercises to learn different breathing patterns and the feelings that they cause. Do exercises that will increase lung capacity and slow your body's need for oxygen.

Once a Master takes "control" by giving various commands, you may find that it is a safer alternative to having someone throttle you in a way that may kill you or leave you senseless in a bad way ~winks~

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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 5/29/2007 12:52:08 PM

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There are dangers in a lot of things and breath play is one of them...
But its too much fun to not try it once in a while.

My submissives are laying down usually tied or wrapped,
I use a small plastic shopping bag with a slit cut in it...
I put that over their head and make sure the slit is open while I tie the bag on.
Then I slowly close the slit one clothepin at a time until its completely closed.
It takes a few seconds for panic to set in,make sure they cant hurt themselves
if they panic too much,BTW if they are really freaking its time to stop even if they cant say a safe word.
I leave the slit closed for about 15 seconds,then 30 sec,then 45 and maybe even a minute.
Someone who I have done this with often can go upto about 2 minutes.
*I would not go any longer than 2 minutes,which is the high limit for Me.*
**Make sure you have safety scissors to cut the bag off in case of trouble.**
***Be Safe,Sane and Consentual always***

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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 5/30/2007 2:56:36 PM

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Thank you for all your replies, i look forward to checking out the web sites. My master is very well informed but wants me to learn more myself thats all. again thank you all xxx

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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 5/30/2007 3:33:59 PM

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I can give some good tried and true safe advice. All that needs to be done is your master exhales and you inhale. When he has to breath he allows you to. Try mouth to mouth breathing, exchanging breath with each other. More risky is to do millitary hogtie were rope goes in front of neck ties to hands bound behind back. This is supported by Jay Wisemen in his "Erotic Bondage" book. The victium never left unattened at any time of course.

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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 5/30/2007 6:40:49 PM

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This is a thread that i started a while ago. It might help you. It tells about my experience with breath play as well as some health and safety info. i found out that breath play can be VERY dangerous. i love it but you have to be careful. Be aware that death and brain damage can occur without warning. i don't want to scare you or anything, just giving you information. i would suggest reading up on it so that you know all the risks.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_888617/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#888617

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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 5/31/2007 11:57:03 AM

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***fast reply***

I asked my Dr. how to do this safely - he said there's no such thing, BUT there are ways to be safer. He said if you cough, you're putting too much pressure on the layrnx, and if you see spots, you're blocking too much blood to the brain.

But if you put a snug hold on the neck, not tight, just snug, you will slow - not stop - the blood to the head, and make you consentrate on breathing - it won't make you pass out, but it's very much like tantric breathing. Put more pressure on the sides than on the front, like the pp said about cop choke holds - avoid the layrnx.

The pleasure in breath play, for me, isn't in passing out or getting loopy, but in knowing He has that control, that he COULD take it too far, if He so chose, and the awareness in my breathing. Taking something we take for granted and becoming VERY aware of it -of each slowed in and out - not being able to hyperventalate, because the snug pressure slows things. It's very centering, amazing how it can make your awareness pivot on Him. His hands are the right size where he can squeeze my neck enough to do this, but my collar does well too.

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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 6/2/2007 6:26:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: CitizenCane

It's worth remembering that, far short of the point of death, considerable brain damage occurs from oxygen deprivation.

Indeed, without the numbers, I'll cite WP on this one: "Brain cells are very sensitive to reduced oxygen levels. Once deprived of oxygen they will begin to die off within five minutes."

The time from loss of consciousness to total oxygen deprivation is presumably not very long.

Also, other things can happen pretty fast as well. I don't have the numbers in front of me; WP had this to say about dogs, at least: "In an experiment where dogs were suffocated by placing an air-tight rubber mask over the dogs' heads, it was shown that it took around 8 minutes for the dogs to go into cardiac arrest. Breathing movements continued and the animals engaged in violent struggle or had convulsions until the point of death."

And about literature surrounding erotic asphyxiation: "With the exception of the books Autoerotic Fatalities by Hazelwood et al. (1983) and Autoerotic Asphyxiation: Forensic, Medical, and Social Aspects by Sheleg et al. (published in 2006) there has been no comprehensive coverage of the problem of erotic asphyxiation."

That said, I don't think consciously holding your breath can go quite that far, at least not without serious training; usually, you'll pass out and resume breathing. I can hold my breath for about 4 minutes now, and could do so somewhat longer back in my early school years when we were competing about that, but it's not something I do anymore if there isn't a good reason for it.

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For those who feel they are not quite stupid enough already, breath play can be a fun and exciting way to achieve their goals. Personally I prefer to protect my neurons and those of the people I play with. You never know when you might need them.

It's a calculated risk. People take those all the time.

When whipping someone, you could accidentally hit the neck. When engaged in fisting, you could get a perforated colon. When driving a car, someone might end up in your lane and hit you head on. Boxers who go the distance will end up with pugilistic dementia and/or other illness.

No need to insult people for taking a calculated risk.

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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 6/2/2007 6:37:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: MistressSassy66

It takes a few seconds for panic to set in,make sure they cant hurt themselves if they panic too much,BTW if they are really freaking its time to stop even if they cant say a safe word.

You can get this effect in a ton of different ways; it's not the asphyxiation bit that's causing them to panic, it's the carbon dioxide that's building up inside the bag. Proper use of dry ice can also achieve the same thing.

Actual asphyxiation doesn't necessarily cause panic, although it may, depending on the person. For me, it's just uncomfortable; pressure in the lungs, raised blood pressure, etc.

The only time I've experienced severe hypoxia was due to low bloodpressure; first the spots, then the tunnel vision and ringing in the ears, then collapsing to the ground in a complex partial seizure.

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Make sure you have safety scissors to cut the bag off in case of trouble.

Using scissors around the head of a person in a panicked state seems like a bad idea to me. And one of the key safety points in regard to something like that is to play in a way that restores airflow if the Dom or Top should happen to have an accident. If you pass out from some random medical event you didn't have any grounds to predict, and wake up to find the sub dead, I'm pretty sure that wouldn't feel very good.

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Be Safe,Sane and Consentual always

Why not pick two?

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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 6/2/2007 6:39:55 PM

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My cousin died from autoerotic asphyxiation (AEA). He was perhaps 19 years old. He was doing it in isolation in a small rural town without the knowledge of another relative with whom he was living. The relative, my uncle, came home and found the young man dead by hanging. If you want to find out about the risks, consider joining one of the support groups for friends and parents of those who didn't survive. You can find at least one or two of these groups on Yahoo. In addition to starving the brain of oxygen, breath play is very addictive. It is difficult or nearly impossible for some people to stop once they have started the practice. For a while I was running a listserv on the topic, and I heard from practitioners. They couldn't stop doing it despite their thorough knowledge of the medical risks involved. People who study this practice in terms of the medical and health impact say there is no safe way to do it. On the other hand, if you are going to be whipped or tied up, you can play with someone who is experienced and who has a good knowledge of known safety practices. Death from breath play can come suddenly without warning and with no ability to intervene.

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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 6/2/2007 11:15:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: EvaLass

People who study this practice in terms of the medical and health impact say there is no safe way to do it. On the other hand, if you are going to be whipped or tied up, you can play with someone who is experienced and who has a good knowledge of known safety practices.

It's a calculated risk either way.

We all draw our lines somewhere with regard to what is acceptable risk.

For some, breath play is an acceptable risk, and they'll take steps to keep the risk as low as possible. As low as possible may not necessarily be very low, but it may be low enough for them. For me, it cannot go low enough.

For some, even whipping isn't an acceptable risk. For me, it is.

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